don^t be so rude madeQuote:
Originally Posted by Weedman
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Yep. Even Turkic people fought eachother :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedman
Turanist propaganda. The southern Italians do have some Anatolian input, but it is NOT a Turkic admixture but rather indigenous west Asian anatolians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Hċkan
If Turkic Turanists have no right to claim, so let the European Turanists decide xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900
There are no such thing as European "Turanists", and Turks are mostly genetically native. Deal with it. Turkic is just a linguistic definition, and most Turkic peoples around the globe have non-Turkic ancestries in their gene pools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Hċkan
Scythians were Iranic, and they have nothing to do with Turkic peoples at all. Sarmatians, who are a sub-tribe of the Scythian race, fought among each other and to other peoples in the past. The Alans were the only surviving Sarmatians that weren't assimilated to the non-Iranic peoples, and the modern day Ossetians are descendants from their Alanic ancestors. Turkic script is descendent from the Sogdian script which in itself is descendant from the Aramaic script.Quote:
Originally Posted by gültekin
Here are some examples of the ossetians. Do they look Turkic to you?
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"Overall, Ossetians are more distant from the other Indo-European-speaking populations from the Caucasus (Armenians; average Fst = 0.030) than from Caucasian-speaking populations (average Fst = 0.026), although these values are not significantly different (t = 1.430, p = 0.212). However, Ossetians are significantly closer to Iranian-speaking populations from Isfahan and Tehran (average Fst = 0.019) than to Caucasianspeaking populations (average Fst = 0.027; t = -2.564, p = 0.026). The same trend holds when we compare haplotype sharing between Ossetian and Iranian populations versus Ossetians and their closest geographic neighbors from the Caucasus. South Ossetians share just 4% of their mtDNA sequences with Georgians, whereas they share 12% and 19% of their mtDNA sequences with Iranian-speaking groups from Isfahan and Tehran respectively. The haplotype sharing between North Ossetians and Iranian groups varies from 13% to 31%. With Ingushians, their closest eastern geographic neighbours, North Ossetians share from 22% to 33% of their mtDNA sequences. With Kabardinians, their closest western geographic neighbours, North Ossetians share 26% to 54% of their mtDNA sequences. This relatively high percentage of shared haplotypes between North Ossetians and their closest geographic neighbours can be explained by recent gene exchange among these groups."
Excerpts from the "Results" section, "Y-SNP Haplogroups" subsection:
"Haplogroup E* (YAP) was found only in South Ossetians (Wells et al. 2001), and haplogroup C* (RPS4Y) was completely absent. The most frequent haplogroup among North Ossetians was G* (M201). Unfortunately, M201 was not typed in South Ossetians by Wells et al. (2001); therefore, it is impossible to distinguish between haplogroups G* (M201) and F* (M89) in this group: the latter is the most frequent haplogroup in South Ossetians. In our analyses these individuals were classified as haplogroup F* (M89), although some unknown proportion could be haplogroup G* (M201). We therefore classified all haplogroup G* (M201) North Ossetian individuals as haplogroup F* (M89) in order to be able to use Y-SNP data from South Ossetians for the MDS and Fst analyses. Haplogroup I* (M170) was found in substantial frequencies in groups from Digora and Ardon, whereas this haplogroup is absent from the rest of the groups. Haplogroup J2* (M172) was found in all groups, with frequencies ranging from 0.03 in the Digora group to 0.29 in the Ardon group. Haplogroup K* (M9) was found in all groups except for South Ossetians and the Digora group."
Exceprts from the "Discussion" section:
"The results are somewhat different for mtDNA vs. the Y-chromosome. North and South Ossetians do cluster somewhat in the MDS plot based on mtDNA (Fig. 2A), which may indicate a common origin. However, for the Y-chromosome, North Ossetians are more similar to other North Caucasian populations, and South Ossetians to other South Caucasian populations, than to each other. The SAMOVA analysis also identifies a boundary between South Ossetians and other groups for the Y chromosome, but not for mtDNA. Thus, there is no indication in the Y-chromosome of a particularly close genetic relationship between N. Ossetians and S. Ossetians. If they did have a common origin in the past, it has apparently become obscured by subsequent gene flow with their geographic neighbours on the same sides of the Caucasus Mountains. [...] Subsequent and largely male-mediated migrations between Ossetians and neighbouring groups in the North and South Caucasus, respectively, would explain the greater similarity between Ossetians and Caucasians for the Y-chromosome, as discussed previously. In conclusion, the genetic results are supported by the archaeological record, in that they reflect a common Iranian origin of South and North Ossetians, as well as a genetic footprint of ancient migrations in the North Caucasus that mostly involved male individuals."
Ivan Nasidze, D. Quinque, I. Dupanloup, S. Rychkov, O. Naumova, O. Zhukova, and Mark Stoneking. "Genetic evidence concerning the origins of South and North Ossetians." Annals of Human Genetics (November 2004) 68 (Part 6): pages 588-599.
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Nobody really knows what Turkics really are. Ask Partizan for more info concerning Anatolian Turkics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900
-Scythians weren't a race. You spent your years on anthro forums, read countless article about genetics and anthropology like a maniac to use against people on forums but still don't know the difference between ethnic and race. Besides, Scythians ethnically weren't even homogenic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900
-Turkic scprit wasn't derived from Sogdian alphabet as a whole but influenced. Turkic script contains around 19 Turkic tamgas which were much older than all alphabetic systems.
-Showing some Ossetian peoples' photo and say "They look Turkic?" is idiotic. There is no stereotypical Turkic looking.
Not for anthropologists and linguists. They can tell you that many of the Turkic peoples living in central asia and other places are descendant of pre-Turkic inhabitants like Iranic, Ugric and etc, and each Turkic people have dynamic amount of Mongoloid ancestry in their gene pool. Being Turkic like in any ethno-linguistic identity is mostly based on language and identity than based on race and genetics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Hċkan
Thats idiotic beyond belief, and the oldest alphabet in existence was the Phoenician alphabet which all of the world's alphabets are descended from. When i said "race" i meant as a people or ethnicity. I agree that the scythians weren't homogenous racially or genetically, and i agree that the Scythians living in Siberia and East Asia had maternal east-Asian lineages like the Tocharians, BUT we know that the Scythians ARE Iranic, and they are predominately west Eurasian ancestry. As i told to Kipchack, being Turkic is not based on racial or genetic background, and its mostly a linguistic identity regardless of ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
Tamgas are from bronz and neolithic period, even there are stone age tamgas excist. Of course those are not alpahabet by themselves. Read correctly what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900
All ethnics are based on cultural and lingustic background, no one have homogeneous genetic background. You know this but still blabbering about it.
Tamgas resulted from bronze age central asian clan petroglyphs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
This thread is The biggest fucking joke here. People descending from some Para-semites believe they are direct descendants of Dschingis Khan and than claim they are also descendants of Scythians :picard2: Good that my R1a brothers from Russia took revenge for the genocide of Saka/Scythians some centuries ago in Siberia and Central Asia
Your r1a brothers? xD You Persian mongrel, when Slavic/North European Russians became your brother?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
Lol Neolithic farmer scum. I have zero Persian ancestry and I am half Russian carrying R1a. Real mongolic Turks are ok I never heard this pan-turanian bullshit from them but Pseudo-Semites from Anatolia are just annoying wannabe Mongols. You are even not a real Turk and make a DNA test so that you know from which gypsy tribe you are. I guess E like AfricansQuote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
LOL. You just admitted that you are mongrel :D I usually don't argue with imbecile OWDs who blame people with being OWD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
I would prefer to be an African than to be a confused wannabe sumerian-scythian-mongolic-turanian-whatever. Lol Anatolia is the nation of mongrels and a mix of the most ugliest crap you get in this world. Stop claiming Scythian ancestry and better also stop claiming Turkic ancestry . YOU ARE JUST A LOCAL gypsy WHO CAN NOT ACCEPT THAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
Only Turks can claim to be Scythian, Massagets descent as historical and genetic things show. DNA tests to modern Turks also reveal Scyths Massagets people genetics as there is a parallel in Mongoloid and North Eurasian genes in Turks, NE 1,5 to 2 times higher always and when Mongoloid low NE also low. So Scythians were majority NE genes with minority West Asian like their mummies show. Oghuz Turkic hordes coming here thousand year ago were like 1/3 Mong. 1/2 NE and rest West Asian.
You are a 3D hologram who can't accept that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
BTW i don't think schtians are Turkic. But they are definetely ancestral to Turkic peoples. They described similar to Kıpchaks.
Says the mongrel who thinks all human beings who carry the R1a haplogroup are brothers xD Tell you what, you probably got that R1a with rape. And I assume your proud R1a carrier Russkie ancestors were brothers and sisters. It is explain your brain damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
Iranians can claim on it too, also you're only partly descendants of Scythians, you're also heavily iranized by other Iranic groups. The Turks simply copy pasted the Scythians a lot, except language, culture and behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witness
You are not in a position to speak on behalf of neither Iranians nor Scythians Kurd. It's non of your bussines. Fuck off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoran
This doesnt matter as Oghuzes were the main descents of Scythians, mixed with Huns. Two prestigious people mixed into one and creation of Oghuz Turks who also became prestigious as you consider Seljuks, Ottomans ending with Turkey. Scythians, Massagets could be Indo European but not Iranians I think. Also I don't have Iranic ancestry as I don't have any Kurdish, Zaza, Persian, Armenian ancestry. I am not even Anatolian so this couldn't happen in the last thousand year either wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Zoran
Why do you even bother to argue this subject with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Witness
It is widely known that both the Scythians and Massagataes were Iranian. The Iranic speaking ethnicities are all Indo-Iranians, likewise with the Scythians and Massagatae, they later split up into two language groups, West and East. All Iranic speaking groups have some connection to eachother, doesn't neccesarily mean they have to speak the same language, look the same or have 100% the same genetics. The Turks are a hybrid race of Iranian (most likely Scythian) and Mongol ancestry. This doesn't mean you can claim to be the rightful descendants of the Scythians. Your language, culture, appearance and even genetics prove this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witness
%100 Same Genetics!!!??Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoran
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You are slowly showing your true face and intelligence. :laugh:
Well I can make it my business as much as I can butthurt Turk :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
I was using examples you dumbwit, are you still enjoying yourself over a serious discussion? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
I swear to God I'm really laughing infront of my computer. Allah will award you for this. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Zoran
Of course you're laughing at your own miserable life praising Pan-Retardism :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
LOL. Are you even serious? the guy who claim all Iranic speakers from past to future, were, are and will always shares %100 same genetics call me "pan-retard" :D you are the dummest member of this forum I've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoran
Once again I do not claim we share the same genetics nor that we are the same people. You're terrible at English. I was counter-arguing Witness, while you're trolling like a 10 year old kid :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
You can always change my sentence if it is so bad. It will always has the same meaning: "You're nothing but a no lifer dummie kıro"Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoran
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA no my paternal line is not Russian and is Z93/Z94 like Scythians and because of that i get pissed of by some unibrow ugly wannabe Scytho-Sumerian-Mongols whatever who try to steal the history of my people. I don't try to steal the history of your gypsy unibrow incest ancestors, which were busy in fucking goats and being slaves of other people, like you try to steal the history of my ancestors. So get a life and don't even try to link yourself with them. Tatars and Central Asian Turks have much Scythian ancestry because defeated Scythians were assimilated by Turks BUT NOT YOU. This kind of Pan-Retardism is just getting funnier and funnier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
It does not matter in this "discussion" how much original Iranian admixture modern Iranian people have today because it is still 100X times more than you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
No one gives a shit about being Sctyhian here my mongrel friend. And there is no such thing like "your people", you're nothing but a mongrel as you stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
MUH R1A PPL ARE OF SCYTHIAN WARRIOR DESCENT!! WE ALL BROTHAS!! WE PURE!! YO TURKS ARE NOT WARRIOR YUO FARMER!!
Thanks for the laughs farmer gypsy para-Semite. Make a DNA test and prove your Mongoliness . Get over it you are zero related to Saka/Scythians and probably look like an Egyptian. Just stop embarrassing yourself and accept what you are. Pan-retards like you show no evidences and just post their retarded fantasies which are based on irrational ethnocentric beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
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Originally Posted by Arhat
-Learn the difference between Mongols and Turkics. Then come here and shit blood.
-I already told you that no one interesting with being "Scythian" here but since you are a retard, I guess I have to repeat it multiple times.
-I don't have to prove my genetics to anyone, especially to an unknown mongrel. Some Turkish members are already shared their genetic results in here. Check them if you are so interested with Turks.
-You shouldn't argue with people if you forgot your brain home. :no no
I have no problems with real Turks or Mongols even when their ancestors genocided. my people. Neither I am a racist and care about this who is superior stuff. But your kind of people are a fucking joke. You were the bitches and slaves of a Turkic elite from Central Asia and now you think because of this that you are "descendants" of steppe warriors but in reality you are just the descendants of Armenian, Greek, Kurdish or Arab pussies which betrayed their own ethnicity and opened their ass for Turks. And stop with your pathetic arrogance towards Kurds or Persians. They are still better than your kind of people and sooner or later the Kurds will take their land back. They have a higher birth rate and get every day strongerQuote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi