Serbian Autosomal DNA

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04-08-2020, 06:34 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

One question.

Why there is no Celto-Germanic at all? Hungary Lion and Togaja score solid Celto-Germanic, and you match Đurić, Vukojević and some others score little.

Yes, I add all of them.

All went to early Slavic.

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo_original.htm

Insert into SOURCE
Early_Slavic,27.94,46.57,12.08,4.33,4.39,0.61,0.25 ,0,2.08,0.99,0.29,0.48,0
Paleo-Balkan,20.04,10.42,27.95,11.31,26.06,2.43,0,0,0.64 ,0.88,0.29,0,0
Celto-Germanic,44.38,27.72,14.32,3.47,5.80,0.19,1.07,0.6 6,0,1.37,0.74,0,0.33

Insert into TARGET
Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03

Look into MULTI and you will see.
04-09-2020, 11:13 AM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

Yes, I add all of them.

All went to early Slavic.

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo_original.htm

Insert into SOURCE
Early_Slavic,27.94,46.57,12.08,4.33,4.39,0.61,0.25 ,0,2.08,0.99,0.29,0.48,0
Paleo-Balkan,20.04,10.42,27.95,11.31,26.06,2.43,0,0,0.64 ,0.88,0.29,0,0
Celto-Germanic,44.38,27.72,14.32,3.47,5.80,0.19,1.07,0.6 6,0,1.37,0.74,0,0.33

Insert into TARGET
Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03

Look into MULTI and you will see.

Can you made ancient admixture of this average for Serbs from Serbia like that for Krajina Serbs?
https://i.imgur.com/snyWRLV.png
04-09-2020, 12:05 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Can you made ancient admixture of this average for Serbs from Serbia like that for Krajina Serbs?
https://i.imgur.com/snyWRLV.png

Yes

Serbia_Serb_average,24.88,30.08,16.50,8.73,16.21,1 .24,0.66,0.28,0.54,0.45,0.31,0.05,0.06

https://i.imgur.com/JY4BBzl.jpg
04-09-2020, 12:14 PM
Dušan

https://i.imgur.com/Cx9vzHX.jpg

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04-09-2020, 03:31 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

One question.

Why there is no Celto-Germanic at all? Hungary Lion and Togaja score solid Celto-Germanic, and your match Đurić and Vukojević, and Zubović and some others score little.

HungryLion finaly got correct number 1. :)

https://i.imgur.com/SrWMURQ.jpg

Me

https://i.imgur.com/dDqrRuV.jpg

Moje Ime - closest to old Gedmatch average, still got Serbian as number 1.

https://i.imgur.com/pjDS8yf.jpg

You were right that Ayetoye father is closest to real Serb averages

https://i.imgur.com/m7KK44p.jpg
04-09-2020, 03:58 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

HungryLion finaly got correct number 1. :)

https://i.imgur.com/SrWMURQ.jpg

Me

https://i.imgur.com/dDqrRuV.jpg

Moje Ime - closest to old Gedmatch average, still got Serbian as number 1.

https://i.imgur.com/pjDS8yf.jpg

You were right that Ayetoye father is closest to real Serb averages

https://i.imgur.com/m7KK44p.jpg

:thumb001:

Can you made for these two Dalmatian Serbs. I am interested because they have quite different Baltic-NA ratio and they are from neighboring villages near Skradin, still their Baltic+NA is almost same (vtbnekhio posted their K13 earlier on this thread). You can marked them as D. Serb 1 and 2 or something.

Dalmatian Serb 1
1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 South_Asian 0.41

Dalmatian Serb 2
1 Baltic 35.28
2 North_Atlantic 22.18
3 West_Med 17.42
4 East_Med 16.16
5 West_Asian 5.31
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Northeast_African 0.3
11 East_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.19
04-09-2020, 04:06 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

:thumb001:

Can you made for these two Dalmatian Serbs. I am interested because they have quite different Baltic-NA ratio and they are from neighboring villages near Skradin, still their Baltic+NA is almost same (vtbnekhio posted their K13 earlier on this thread). You can marked them as D. Serb 1 and 2 or something.

Dalmatian Serb 1
1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 South_Asian 0.41

Dalmatian Serb 2
1 Baltic 35.28
2 North_Atlantic 22.18
3 West_Med 17.42
4 East_Med 16.16
5 West_Asian 5.31
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Northeast_African 0.3
11 East_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.19

https://i.imgur.com/fI9kRkg.jpg
04-09-2020, 04:52 PM
Pribislav

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

https://i.imgur.com/fI9kRkg.jpg

And for these 3 guys if is not problem. I bealieve Bosanska Krajina 1 is very close to real Serbian average, same as Aye's father. Nikšić sample (same as one other) is interesting because is significant more northern shifted than average Montenegrins, in Nikšić live most Slavic/northern shifted people in Montenegro without doubt.

Serb from Bosanska Krajina 1 Attachment 97195

Serb from Bosanska Krajina 2 Attachment 97196

Serb from Nikšić
1 Baltic 31.29
2 North_Atlantic 25.72
3 West_Med 16.85
4 East_Med 15.81
5 West_Asian 7.84
6 Red_Sea 1.69
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.12
04-09-2020, 05:13 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

And for these 3 guys if is not problem. I bealieve Bosanska Krajina 1 is very close to real Serbian average, same as Aye's father. Nikšić sample (same as one other) is interesting because is significant more northern shifted than average Montenegrins, in Nikšić live most Slavic/northern shifted people in Montenegro without doubt.

Serb from Bosanska Krajina 1 Attachment 97195

Serb from Bosanska Krajina 2 Attachment 97196

Serb from Nikšić
1 Baltic 31.29
2 North_Atlantic 25.72
3 West_Med 16.85
4 East_Med 15.81
5 West_Asian 7.84
6 Red_Sea 1.69
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.12

https://i.imgur.com/4L16a19.jpg

Пошаљи ми за Никшићана податке као за ову двојицу.
Мрзи ме да рачунам кад је по реду јужна Азија, кад источна, а битно је да све иде по реду.
04-09-2020, 07:35 PM
CommonSense

Seems like almost everyone will get one of these two at spot #1, a good deal will get both among the top two:

https://i.imgur.com/jYhLM9a.png

https://i.imgur.com/nQHpOWJ.png
04-09-2020, 08:01 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

https://i.imgur.com/4L16a19.jpg

Пошаљи ми за Никшићана податке као за ову двојицу.
Мрзи ме да рачунам кад је по реду јужна Азија, кад источна, а битно је да све иде по реду.

Имаш ли линк од оне теме у вези оног калкулатора што мери блискост са савременим популацијама али регионално типа Бошњаци Тузла, Шпанци Кастљила Ла Манча итд, оно што изађе једно 20 ставки. Чини ми се да сам тамо поставио.
04-09-2020, 08:13 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Имаш ли линк од оне теме у вези оног калкулатора што мери блискост са савременим популацијама али регионално типа Бошњаци Тузла, Шпанци Кастљила Ла Манча итд, оно што изађе једно 20 ставки. Чини ми се да сам тамо поставио.

Нема везе, израчунао сам.

https://i.imgur.com/6MkJ6Rv.jpg
04-09-2020, 08:14 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Seems like almost everyone will get one of these two at spot #1, a good deal will get both among the top two:

That means that these averages are very good.
04-10-2020, 06:22 PM
vbnetkhio

Montenegrin from the coastal area

Code:

1 North_Atlantic 28.72 2 Baltic 21.18 3 West_Med 20.63 4 East_Med 14.65 5 West_Asian 10.25 6 Red_Sea 1.67 7 Siberian 1.4 8 Amerindian 0.86 9 Sub-Saharan 0.52 10 Oceanian 0.07 11 Northeast_African 0.05 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Romanian 6.6 2 Serbian 7.37 3 Bulgarian 8.64 4 North_Italian 11.21 5 Hungarian 13.01 6 Moldavian 13.25 7 Greek_Thessaly 13.47 8 Austrian 13.54 9 Tuscan 13.8 10 French 13.96 11 Portuguese 14.78 12 West_German 14.98 13 Spanish_Galicia 15.19 14 Croatian 15.26 15 East_German 15.7 16 Spanish_Cataluna 15.81 17 Spanish_Extremadura 15.83 18 South_Dutch 16.23 19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.64 20 Spanish_Murcia 16.91 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 83% Romanian + 17% French_Basque @ 1.63 2 74.7% Romanian + 25.3% Southwest_French @ 1.97 3 74.4% Romanian + 25.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.11 4 77.2% Romanian + 22.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.46 5 74.5% Romanian + 25.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.47 6 54.4% North_Italian + 45.6% Moldavian @ 2.5 7 72% Romanian + 28% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.61 8 79% Bulgarian + 21% French_Basque @ 2.61 9 74.1% Romanian + 25.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.68 10 71.4% Romanian + 28.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.75 11 73.3% Romanian + 26.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.79 12 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Southwest_French @ 2.79 13 72.3% Romanian + 27.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.84 14 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88 15 71.1% Romanian + 28.9% Portuguese @ 2.95 16 73.9% Romanian + 26.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.98 17 69.1% Bulgarian + 30.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.1 18 62.8% Bulgarian + 37.2% French @ 3.1 19 74.8% North_Italian + 25.2% Erzya @ 3.13 20 72.3% Serbian + 27.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.31
04-10-2020, 06:29 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Montenegrin from the coastal area

Code:

1 North_Atlantic 28.72 2 Baltic 21.18 3 West_Med 20.63 4 East_Med 14.65 5 West_Asian 10.25 6 Red_Sea 1.67 7 Siberian 1.4 8 Amerindian 0.86 9 Sub-Saharan 0.52 10 Oceanian 0.07 11 Northeast_African 0.05 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Romanian 6.6 2 Serbian 7.37 3 Bulgarian 8.64 4 North_Italian 11.21 5 Hungarian 13.01 6 Moldavian 13.25 7 Greek_Thessaly 13.47 8 Austrian 13.54 9 Tuscan 13.8 10 French 13.96 11 Portuguese 14.78 12 West_German 14.98 13 Spanish_Galicia 15.19 14 Croatian 15.26 15 East_German 15.7 16 Spanish_Cataluna 15.81 17 Spanish_Extremadura 15.83 18 South_Dutch 16.23 19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.64 20 Spanish_Murcia 16.91 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 83% Romanian + 17% French_Basque @ 1.63 2 74.7% Romanian + 25.3% Southwest_French @ 1.97 3 74.4% Romanian + 25.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.11 4 77.2% Romanian + 22.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.46 5 74.5% Romanian + 25.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.47 6 54.4% North_Italian + 45.6% Moldavian @ 2.5 7 72% Romanian + 28% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.61 8 79% Bulgarian + 21% French_Basque @ 2.61 9 74.1% Romanian + 25.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.68 10 71.4% Romanian + 28.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.75 11 73.3% Romanian + 26.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.79 12 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Southwest_French @ 2.79 13 72.3% Romanian + 27.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.84 14 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88 15 71.1% Romanian + 28.9% Portuguese @ 2.95 16 73.9% Romanian + 26.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.98 17 69.1% Bulgarian + 30.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.1 18 62.8% Bulgarian + 37.2% French @ 3.1 19 74.8% North_Italian + 25.2% Erzya @ 3.13 20 72.3% Serbian + 27.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.31

Is he Montenegrin recorder by highest NA and lowest Baltic?
04-10-2020, 06:34 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Montenegrin from the coastal area

Code:

1 North_Atlantic 28.72 2 Baltic 21.18 3 West_Med 20.63 4 East_Med 14.65 5 West_Asian 10.25 6 Red_Sea 1.67 7 Siberian 1.4 8 Amerindian 0.86 9 Sub-Saharan 0.52 10 Oceanian 0.07 11 Northeast_African 0.05 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Romanian 6.6 2 Serbian 7.37 3 Bulgarian 8.64 4 North_Italian 11.21 5 Hungarian 13.01 6 Moldavian 13.25 7 Greek_Thessaly 13.47 8 Austrian 13.54 9 Tuscan 13.8 10 French 13.96 11 Portuguese 14.78 12 West_German 14.98 13 Spanish_Galicia 15.19 14 Croatian 15.26 15 East_German 15.7 16 Spanish_Cataluna 15.81 17 Spanish_Extremadura 15.83 18 South_Dutch 16.23 19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.64 20 Spanish_Murcia 16.91 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 83% Romanian + 17% French_Basque @ 1.63 2 74.7% Romanian + 25.3% Southwest_French @ 1.97 3 74.4% Romanian + 25.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.11 4 77.2% Romanian + 22.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.46 5 74.5% Romanian + 25.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.47 6 54.4% North_Italian + 45.6% Moldavian @ 2.5 7 72% Romanian + 28% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.61 8 79% Bulgarian + 21% French_Basque @ 2.61 9 74.1% Romanian + 25.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.68 10 71.4% Romanian + 28.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.75 11 73.3% Romanian + 26.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.79 12 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Southwest_French @ 2.79 13 72.3% Romanian + 27.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.84 14 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88 15 71.1% Romanian + 28.9% Portuguese @ 2.95 16 73.9% Romanian + 26.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.98 17 69.1% Bulgarian + 30.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.1 18 62.8% Bulgarian + 37.2% French @ 3.1 19 74.8% North_Italian + 25.2% Erzya @ 3.13 20 72.3% Serbian + 27.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.31

Where did you find this guy? Did you conclude he was from the coast based on his surname or did he leave a family tree?

Belfranin with fully indigenous Zadar ancestry has similar results to this guy, actually even more North Atlantic admixed.
04-10-2020, 06:37 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Is he Montenegrin recorder by highest NA and lowest Baltic?

by Baltic yes, as for west med, one member of that family from Podgorica Commonsense found long ago has even more, 22.59
04-10-2020, 06:43 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Where did you find this guy? Did you conclude he was from the coast based on his surname or did he leave a family tree?

Belfranin with fully indigenous Zadar ancestry has similar results to this guy, actually even more North Atlantic admixed.

by surname

Mijač
Mijač, u Trstu ogranak Abramovića, potomaka kneza Bajka u Cucama (Cetinje); Orahovo (Crmnica)
Mijač = Mijačić, Podgora i Orahovica (Crmnica), a u Herceg-Novom kao: Mijač
Mijači, bratstvo u Podgoru

i already saw a bunch of Montenegrins with 20-22 Baltic but i didn't know the region/tribe. Vasojevici and Kuci have 25-26 Baltic so i perhaps 20-22 could be typical for the coastal area.
04-11-2020, 05:33 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Est.1992

I see one Serb from Croatia here getting like 95% Croat in Oracles, what should I think?

i found out he has some Croat and Slovenian ancestry. it seems pure Slavic shifted Serbs are all "Moldavian" shifted.
04-11-2020, 08:13 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i found out he has some Croat and Slovenian ancestry. it seems pure Slavic shifted Serbs are all "Moldavian" shifted.

Moldavian average on gedmatch is based on 9 samples, 5 have recent Russian/Ukrainian admixture as Ion Basescul said. Moldavian without recent Russian/Ukrainian admixture are sighificant more southern shifted on average than "Moldavian" average from gedmatch. Moldavian are just little more northern shifted Romanians, Ion debunked paganea how Moldavians are very Slavic genetically.

Full Serbs who are equally or even more northern shifted than German-kaykavian/Croat-Bosniak-Dalmatian/Croat-Serb mixed person Feiichy exist and I know few of them. Hungry Lion is equally northern shifted as Feiichy and all his ancestors are Serbs for centuries in the past, his is not only such example.
04-14-2020, 03:11 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Yes, I know.

Your Krajina_Serb 24.71, 31.76, 16.79 etc. is only for Serbs from Croatia without Bosanska Krajina right?

Btw I got 3 new Krajina Serb results (with kits), one is from Lika (Marinko Vukovojac), one is from Kordun or Gorski Kotar (Milan Mamula), and one from East Slavonia (Branko Arsenić).
On SDP Mamula Serbs from Kordun are tested as I2-PH908, and those from Gorski Kotar as I2-Z17855.
Vukovojac is J2b1-M205.

It is only with results of 29 Serbs from Croatia, but we could enlarge it with Bosnian Serbs results and call it West_Serbs_average.
04-14-2020, 03:25 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

It is only with results of 29 Serbs from Croatia, but we could enlarge it with Bosnian Serbs results and call it West_Serbs_average.

i'm working on putting together all samples we have.
Krajina Serb average should be Serbs from Croatia + Bosnian Krajina,and Bosnian Serb average should be Serbs from proper Bosnia, if they cluster along these borders. i'm guessing they will.
04-14-2020, 03:28 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i'm working on putting together all samples we have.
Krajina Serb average should be Serbs from Croatia + Bosnian Krajina,and Bosnian Serb average should be Serbs from proper Bosnia, if they cluster along these borders. i'm guessing they will.

Ok, nice. Do you want to I send you all my matches that I use for Krajina Serb average, or you already have these results?
04-14-2020, 03:29 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Moldavian average on gedmatch is based on 9 samples, 5 have recent Russian/Ukrainian admixture as Ion Basescul said. Moldavian without recent Russian/Ukrainian admixture are sighificant more southern shifted on average than "Moldavian" average from gedmatch. Moldavian are just little more northern shifted Romanians, Ion debunked paganea how Moldavians are very Slavic genetically.

Full Serbs who are equally or even more northern shifted than German-kaykavian/Croat-Bosniak-Dalmatian/Croat-Serb mixed person Feiichy exist and I know few of them. Hungry Lion is equally northern shifted as Feiichy and all his ancestors are Serbs for centuries in the past, his is not only such example.

He is not, he is more southern than I am.
That's because you concentrate only on Baltic scores.

I score almost 30 north atlantic, my red sea is zero and my east med is below average. Only my west asian is very high, but that peaks in north caucasus and isn't very southern admixture.
04-14-2020, 03:34 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

Ok, nice. Do you want to I send you all my matches that I use for Krajina Serb average, or you already have these results?

i have them. do you know of some results from the regions marked as "Podrinje and Posavina" and Rashka on this map?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../Serbia022.png
04-14-2020, 03:36 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i have them. do you know of some results from the regions marked as "Podrinje and Posavina" and Rashka on this map?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../Serbia022.png

Unfortunately, no. But if I find any, I will post it here.
04-14-2020, 03:43 PM
Dušan

And we should create one unique Serbian average, with all these results, from Krajina, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro.
04-14-2020, 03:50 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i have them. do you know of some results from the regions marked as "Podrinje and Posavina" and Rashka on this map?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../Serbia022.png

I never saw any Serbian results from Užice-Zlatibor area. Do you have some?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

And we should create one unique Serbian average, with all these results, from Krajina, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro.

here :cool:

samples name North_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian Northeast_African Sub_Saharan

29 Serb_B&H 24.73 31.02 16.87 8.63 14.66 1.72 0.44 0.32 0.66 0.50 0.34 0.09 0.01

37 Serb_Croatia 25.17 30.44 16.79 9.03 14.86 1.33 0.72 0.32 0.54 0.30 0.41 0.07 0.02

53 Serb_Krajina 25.57 30.44 16.72 8.68 14.61 1.55 0.65 0.36 0.60 0.31 0.45 0.04 0.02

32 Montenegrin 25.00 25.68 18.39 9.99 16.90 1.95 0.26 0.25 0.66 0.50 0.23 0.11 0.08

34 Serb_Serbia 24.35 29.99 16.77 9.05 15.98 1.37 0.62 0.21 0.64 0.44 0.39 0.07 0.13

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

6 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina 25.62 30.62 17.50 8.84 13.61 1.85 0.07 0.12 1.02 0.35 0.41 0.00 0.00

6 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia 21.74 32.26 17.67 8.73 15.74 1.02 1.22 0.17 0.64 0.59 0.24 0.00 0.00

3 Serb_B&H_Herzegovina 23.00 28.00 16.59 10.81 18.66 1.32 0.08 0.32 0.42 0.40 0.34 0.04 0.00

12 Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia 26.33 31.09 15.88 8.64 13.25 2.06 0.39 0.56 0.56 0.60 0.41 0.21 0.03

11 Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun 26.35 30.92 15.88 9.25 13.84 1.46 0.91 0.28 0.32 0.25 0.46 0.08 0.00

10 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia 25.55 29.00 16.90 9.47 15.37 1.21 0.81 0.19 0.65 0.45 0.34 0.07 0.00

11 Serb_Croatia_Lika 24.02 31.45 17.10 7.94 15.39 1.51 0.74 0.43 0.64 0.22 0.45 0.06 0.04

6 Serb_Croatia_Slavonia 24.18 29.85 17.83 9.49 15.36 1.08 0.47 0.32 0.48 0.49 0.32 0.08 0.06

4 Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina 26.94 29.63 16.91 8.91 14.38 1.26 0.24 0.26 0.64 0.48 0.17 0.20 0.00

28 Montenegrin_South_East 24.73 25.11 18.60 10.14 17.26 2.05 0.26 0.24 0.67 0.51 0.24 0.09 0.09

3 Serb_Serbia_Branicevo 26.18 31.81 15.19 8.27 15.00 1.65 0.47 0.07 0.84 0.27 0.24 0.00 0.00

2 Serb_Serbia_Rasina 23.76 29.23 19.01 10.10 15.03 0.66 0.00 0.23 0.60 0.94 0.00 0.04 0.42

7 Serb_Serbia_Shopluk 23.26 27.95 18.21 9.39 16.66 1.68 0.65 0.09 1.00 0.33 0.47 0.23 0.10

3 Serb_Serbia_South_Kosovo 22.96 25.24 17.00 9.19 22.33 1.37 0.09 0.00 0.84 0.50 0.38 0.00 0.09

4 Serb_Serbia_South_Morava 25.25 31.95 15.97 8.60 15.51 1.03 0.60 0.00 0.16 0.39 0.44 0.00 0.10

1 Serb_Serbia_Timok 27.98 28.63 15.19 10.17 15.46 0.38 0.35 0.00 0.91 0.50 0.00 0.00 0.42

5 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina 25.13 30.64 15.73 9.35 14.83 1.65 0.57 0.54 0.12 0.44 0.63 0.13 0.22

9 Serb_Serbia_West&Central 23.77 31.33 17.15 8.83 14.77 1.35 0.88 0.31 0.55 0.55 0.44 0.01 0.06

04-15-2020, 06:34 PM
vbnetkhio

vahaduo fromat

Serb_B&H,24.73,31.02,16.87,8.63,14.66,1.72,0.44,0. 32,0.66,0.50,0.34,0.09,0.01
Serb_Croatia,25.17,30.44,16.79,9.03,14.86,1.33,0.7 2,0.32,0.54,0.30,0.41,0.07,0.02
Serb_Krajina,25.57,30.44,16.72,8.68,14.61,1.55,0.6 5,0.36,0.60,0.31,0.45,0.04,0.02
Montenegrin,25.00,25.68,18.39,9.99,16.90,1.95,0.26 ,0.25,0.66,0.50,0.23,0.11,0.08
Serb_Serbia,24.35,29.99,16.77,9.05,15.98,1.37,0.62 ,0.21,0.64,0.44,0.39,0.07,0.13

Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina,25.62,30.62,17.50,8.84,13 .61,1.85,0.07,0.12,1.02,0.35,0.41,0.00,0.00
Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia,21.74,32.26,17.67,8.73,15.74, 1.02,1.22,0.17,0.64,0.59,0.24,0.00,0.00
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina,23.00,28.00,16.59,10.81,18.66 ,1.32,0.08,0.32,0.42,0.40,0.34,0.04,0.00
Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia,26.33,31.09,15.88,8.64,1 3.25,2.06,0.39,0.56,0.56,0.60,0.41,0.21,0.03
Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun,26.35,30.92,15.88,9.25, 13.84,1.46,0.91,0.28,0.32,0.25,0.46,0.08,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.55,29.00,16.90,9.47,15.37 ,1.21,0.81,0.19,0.65,0.45,0.34,0.07,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Lika,24.02,31.45,17.10,7.94,15.39,1.5 1,0.74,0.43,0.64,0.22,0.45,0.06,0.04
Serb_Croatia_Slavonia,24.18,29.85,17.83,9.49,15.36 ,1.08,0.47,0.32,0.48,0.49,0.32,0.08,0.06
Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina,26.94,29.63,16.91,8.91 ,14.38,1.26,0.24,0.26,0.64,0.48,0.17,0.20,0.00
Montenegrin_South_East,24.73,25.11,18.60,10.14,17. 26,2.05,0.26,0.24,0.67,0.51,0.24,0.09,0.09
Serb_Serbia_Branicevo,26.18,31.81,15.19,8.27,15.00 ,1.65,0.47,0.07,0.84,0.27,0.24,0.00,0.00
Serb_Serbia_Rasina,23.76,29.23,19.01,10.10,15.03,0 .66,0.00,0.23,0.60,0.94,0.00,0.04,0.42
Serb_Serbia_Shopluk,23.26,27.95,18.21,9.39,16.66,1 .68,0.65,0.09,1.00,0.33,0.47,0.23,0.10
Serb_Serbia_South_Kosovo,22.96,25.24,17.00,9.19,22 .33,1.37,0.09,0.00,0.84,0.50,0.38,0.00,0.09
Serb_Serbia_South_Morava,25.25,31.95,15.97,8.60,15 .51,1.03,0.60,0.00,0.16,0.39,0.44,0.00,0.10
Serb_Serbia_Timok,27.98,28.63,15.19,10.17,15.46,0. 38,0.35,0.00,0.91,0.50,0.00,0.00,0.42
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,25.13,30.64,15.73,9.35,14.83 ,1.65,0.57,0.54,0.12,0.44,0.63,0.13,0.22
Serb_Serbia_West&Central,23.77,31.33,17.15,8.83,14 .77,1.35,0.88,0.31,0.55,0.55,0.44,0.01,0.06
04-15-2020, 07:07 PM
vbnetkhio

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04-15-2020, 07:10 PM
vbnetkhio

A PCA plot of Serbs and neighbours, averages from Vahaduo k13 updated:

https://i.imgur.com/DiuseiL.png
04-15-2020, 07:25 PM
vbnetkhio

forgot an all-Serbian average

Serb,24.89,29.38,17.14,9.05,15.58,1.55,0.49,0.29,0 .67,0.45,0.35,0.09,0.06
04-15-2020, 07:38 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

A PCA plot of Serbs and neighbours, averages from Vahaduo k13 updated:

https://i.imgur.com/DiuseiL.png

which component pulls in each direction:

https://i.imgur.com/pXUQPwB.png
04-15-2020, 08:03 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

vahaduo fromat

Serb_B&H,24.73,31.02,16.87,8.63,14.66,1.72,0.44,0. 32,0.66,0.50,0.34,0.09,0.01
Serb_Croatia,25.17,30.44,16.79,9.03,14.86,1.33,0.7 2,0.32,0.54,0.30,0.41,0.07,0.02
Serb_Krajina,25.57,30.44,16.72,8.68,14.61,1.55,0.6 5,0.36,0.60,0.31,0.45,0.04,0.02
Montenegrin,25.00,25.68,18.39,9.99,16.90,1.95,0.26 ,0.25,0.66,0.50,0.23,0.11,0.08
Serb_Serbia,24.35,29.99,16.77,9.05,15.98,1.37,0.62 ,0.21,0.64,0.44,0.39,0.07,0.13

Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina,25.62,30.62,17.50,8.84,13 .61,1.85,0.07,0.12,1.02,0.35,0.41,0.00,0.00
Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia,21.74,32.26,17.67,8.73,15.74, 1.02,1.22,0.17,0.64,0.59,0.24,0.00,0.00
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina,23.00,28.00,16.59,10.81,18.66 ,1.32,0.08,0.32,0.42,0.40,0.34,0.04,0.00
Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia,26.33,31.09,15.88,8.64,1 3.25,2.06,0.39,0.56,0.56,0.60,0.41,0.21,0.03
Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun,26.35,30.92,15.88,9.25, 13.84,1.46,0.91,0.28,0.32,0.25,0.46,0.08,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.55,29.00,16.90,9.47,15.37 ,1.21,0.81,0.19,0.65,0.45,0.34,0.07,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Lika,24.02,31.45,17.10,7.94,15.39,1.5 1,0.74,0.43,0.64,0.22,0.45,0.06,0.04
Serb_Croatia_Slavonia,24.18,29.85,17.83,9.49,15.36 ,1.08,0.47,0.32,0.48,0.49,0.32,0.08,0.06
Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina,26.94,29.63,16.91,8.91 ,14.38,1.26,0.24,0.26,0.64,0.48,0.17,0.20,0.00
Montenegrin_South_East,24.73,25.11,18.60,10.14,17. 26,2.05,0.26,0.24,0.67,0.51,0.24,0.09,0.09
Serb_Serbia_Branicevo,26.18,31.81,15.19,8.27,15.00 ,1.65,0.47,0.07,0.84,0.27,0.24,0.00,0.00
Serb_Serbia_Rasina,23.76,29.23,19.01,10.10,15.03,0 .66,0.00,0.23,0.60,0.94,0.00,0.04,0.42
Serb_Serbia_Shopluk,23.26,27.95,18.21,9.39,16.66,1 .68,0.65,0.09,1.00,0.33,0.47,0.23,0.10
Serb_Serbia_South_Kosovo,22.96,25.24,17.00,9.19,22 .33,1.37,0.09,0.00,0.84,0.50,0.38,0.00,0.09
Serb_Serbia_South_Morava,25.25,31.95,15.97,8.60,15 .51,1.03,0.60,0.00,0.16,0.39,0.44,0.00,0.10
Serb_Serbia_Timok,27.98,28.63,15.19,10.17,15.46,0. 38,0.35,0.00,0.91,0.50,0.00,0.00,0.42
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,25.13,30.64,15.73,9.35,14.83 ,1.65,0.57,0.54,0.12,0.44,0.63,0.13,0.22
Serb_Serbia_West&Central,23.77,31.33,17.15,8.83,14 .77,1.35,0.88,0.31,0.55,0.55,0.44,0.01,0.06

Great job! :)

My result according to these average.

https://i.imgur.com/xScb7Ws.jpg

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.6259% / 3.62591823
70.0 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
30.0 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.6265% / 3.62645628 | ADC: 0.25x
71.2 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
28.8 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.6333% / 3.63327175 | ADC: 0.5x
74.6 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
25.4 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.8138% / 3.81375626 | ADC: 1x
74.6 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
25.4 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
04-15-2020, 08:57 PM
Dušan

https://i.imgur.com/bQYRtdQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UlyfEM7.jpg
04-15-2020, 09:16 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

https://i.imgur.com/bQYRtdQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UlyfEM7.jpg

That for Dalmatian Serbs is on 10 samples.

Could you made new on 13 samples https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6630999

^^
Macura, Grulović and Aye's father are added.
04-15-2020, 09:19 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

That for Dalmatian Serbs is on 10 samples.

Could you made new on 12 samples, these 11 https://i.imgur.com/55WvSzj.png plus Aye's dad https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...almatian-Serb)

Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.35,29.73,16.74,9.09,15.35 ,1.12,0.79,0.2,0.77,0.5,0.36,0.09,0.04
04-15-2020, 09:20 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.35,29.73,16.74,9.09,15.35 ,1.12,0.79,0.2,0.77,0.5,0.36,0.09,0.04

:thumb001:
04-15-2020, 09:24 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.35,29.73,16.74,9.09,15.35 ,1.12,0.79,0.2,0.77,0.5,0.36,0.09,0.04

Add this man too. Also, I've posted some other Serbian results too, one of which is from Leskovac. You should add them to your tables.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6630177

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samples	name	North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub_Saharan
29	Serb_B&H	24.73	31.02	16.87	8.63	14.66	1.72	0.44	0.32	0.66	0.50	0.34	0.09	0.01
37	Serb_Croatia	25.17	30.44	16.79	9.03	14.86	1.33	0.72	0.32	0.54	0.30	0.41	0.07	0.02
53	Serb_Krajina	25.57	30.44	16.72	8.68	14.61	1.55	0.65	0.36	0.60	0.31	0.45	0.04	0.02
32	Montenegrin	25.00	25.68	18.39	9.99	16.90	1.95	0.26	0.25	0.66	0.50	0.23	0.11	0.08
34	Serb_Serbia	24.35	29.99	16.77	9.05	15.98	1.37	0.62	0.21	0.64	0.44	0.39	0.07	0.13
-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
6	Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina	25.62	30.62	17.50	8.84	13.61	1.85	0.07	0.12	1.02	0.35	0.41	0.00	0.00
6	Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia	21.74	32.26	17.67	8.73	15.74	1.02	1.22	0.17	0.64	0.59	0.24	0.00	0.00
3	Serb_B&H_Herzegovina	23.00	28.00	16.59	10.81	18.66	1.32	0.08	0.32	0.42	0.40	0.34	0.04	0.00
12	Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia	26.33	31.09	15.88	8.64	13.25	2.06	0.39	0.56	0.56	0.60	0.41	0.21	0.03
11	Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun	26.35	30.92	15.88	9.25	13.84	1.46	0.91	0.28	0.32	0.25	0.46	0.08	0.00
10	Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia	25.55	29.00	16.90	9.47	15.37	1.21	0.81	0.19	0.65	0.45	0.34	0.07	0.00
11	Serb_Croatia_Lika	24.02	31.45	17.10	7.94	15.39	1.51	0.74	0.43	0.64	0.22	0.45	0.06	0.04
6	Serb_Croatia_Slavonia	24.18	29.85	17.83	9.49	15.36	1.08	0.47	0.32	0.48	0.49	0.32	0.08	0.06
4	Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina	26.94	29.63	16.91	8.91	14.38	1.26	0.24	0.26	0.64	0.48	0.17	0.20	0.00
28	Montenegrin_South_East	24.73	25.11	18.60	10.14	17.26	2.05	0.26	0.24	0.67	0.51	0.24	0.09	0.09
3	Serb_Serbia_Branicevo	26.18	31.81	15.19	8.27	15.00	1.65	0.47	0.07	0.84	0.27	0.24	0.00	0.00
2	Serb_Serbia_Rasina	23.76	29.23	19.01	10.10	15.03	0.66	0.00	0.23	0.60	0.94	0.00	0.04	0.42
7	Serb_Serbia_Shopluk	23.26	27.95	18.21	9.39	16.66	1.68	0.65	0.09	1.00	0.33	0.47	0.23	0.10
3	Serb_Serbia_South_Kosovo	22.96	25.24	17.00	9.19	22.33	1.37	0.09	0.00	0.84	0.50	0.38	0.00	0.09
4	Serb_Serbia_South_Morava	25.25	31.95	15.97	8.60	15.51	1.03	0.60	0.00	0.16	0.39	0.44	0.00	0.10
1	Serb_Serbia_Timok	27.98	28.63	15.19	10.17	15.46	0.38	0.35	0.00	0.91	0.50	0.00	0.00	0.42
5	Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina	25.13	30.64	15.73	9.35	14.83	1.65	0.57	0.54	0.12	0.44	0.63	0.13	0.22
9	Serb_Serbia_West&Central	23.77	31.33	17.15	8.83	14.77	1.35	0.88	0.31	0.55	0.55	0.44	0.01	0.06