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Originally Posted by Hevo
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probably some dutch touristQuote:
Originally Posted by Hevo
E-V13 master race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI-qBjJyJocQuote:
Originally Posted by Guapo
Allow me to disagree with you ...
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Disagree all you want. My I1 subclade is considered that by researchers. It is not the generic I1d found in Sweden like on your map.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawalye
J2a1h, superhuman master race
this subclade is of Caucasus origin?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jewpsy
R1b-U106; probably reminiscent of Frisian/Anglo Saxon invasions.
I can make the same scientific research in my garage...Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapo
Frankish kings and aristocrats had the R-U106 halogroup, the I1 haplogroup is very low where they settled while the R-U106 is surprisingly high ...
That would be meaningless if the franks were mostly I1 except if they are talking about the rhenish franks which have nothing in common with the salian franks (except that they were both a union of tribes).
Frisian and anglo-saxon invaders in the belgian Gaul? That never happened, batavians and franks yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armstrong
I mean the Rhinish Franks. Next time don't be so obnoxious and arrogant and ask me. My Big Y matches are Germans from western Germany and one Dutchman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawalye
I mean to England since a good portion of my autosomal DNA components come from the British Isles. U106 is most associated with Western Germanic Tribes that integrated with the R1a and I haplogroups with Germanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawalye
Ok but don't be so suscetible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapo
Seems logical if it's about the rhenish franks but when "we" talk about about the franks (history, culture and so on) it's mostly about the salians.
Yes in this case, it's right but the R-U106 came from Scandinavia too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armstrong
R1b-S21 (U106) mapQuote:
Originally Posted by Lawalye
http://i61.tinypic.com/dm4dq1.gif
You need to brush up on your geneology bud. There are I1-Z63 subclades that are related to the Normans as well in England that are connected to the Franks. Maybe you should join yfull instead of being some typical "know it all" Walloon cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawalye
the oldest from apricity
I'm not being "know it all", I'm just telling you that the salian franks were mostly R-U106 like their aristocracy, there were still a mix of several haplogroups, that was not homegeneous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapo
And, I can't be aware of all subclades.
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Originally Posted by Guapo
How is arrogant here ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapo
Says who? you in your garage? Suck a dick, R1b Celt. I'll believe the researchers on Yfull and ftdna before believing you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawalye
It's not only celt, R1B and R1A are indo-european and the germanic are indo-european.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapo
R1b germanic? Bahahahaha. Only I1 is the real germanic haplogroup i.e. the Franks suckahQuote:
Originally Posted by Lawalye
Next time don't fuck with a real Frank, Celto-Walloon. I was raised by wolves.
Sorry to disappoint you but the R1B are the invaders not the I1 ... How could the true germanics be I1 if I1 is so rare in Germany while the R-U106 is strong in every germanic country as well as Scandinavia. The scandinavians are germanized norse and the modern germanic is a mix of celts, germanics and norse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapo
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Originally Posted by Lawalye
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplog...shtml#germanicQuote:
Germanic migrations
The Germanic migrations dispersed I1 lineages to Britain (Anglo-Saxons), Belgium (Franks, Saxons), France (Franks, Visigoths and Burgundians), South Germany (Franks, Alamanni, Suebi, Marcomanni, Thuringii and others), Switzerland (Alamanni, Suebi, Burgundians), Iberia (Visigoths, Suebi and Vandals), Italy (Goths, Vandals, Lombards), Austria and Slovenia (Ostrogoths, Lombards, Bavarians), Ukraine and Moldova (Goths), as well as around Hungary and northern Serbia (Gepids). The I1 found among the Poles (6%), Czechs (11%), Slovaks (6%) and Hungarians (8%) is also the result of centuries of influence from their German and Austrian neighbours. The relativelemy high frequency of I1 around Serbia and western Bulgaria (5% to 10%) could be owed to the Goths who settled in the Eastern Roman Empire in the 3rd and 4th centuries.
The Danish and Norwegian Vikings brought more I1 to Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, Normandy, Flanders, Iberia, Sicily... The Swedish Vikings (Varangians) set up colonies in Russia and Ukraine, and outposts as far as the Byzantine Empire, the Caucasus and Persia. The higher frequency of I1 in Northwest Russia (east of the Baltic) hints at had a particularly strong Varangian presence, which is concordant with the establishment of the Kievan Rus' by the Swedes.
I don't disagree but that's recent migration with the germanic invasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapo
Of course, like I said there were a lot of I1 among the franks but they were mostly R1-U106, that's all.
you little celtic cunt.
"How did I1 become Germanic ?
From 2800 BCE, a large-scale cultural and genetic upheaval hit Scandinavia with the arrival of the Indo-Europeans from Eastern Europe, who introduced the Copper Age and Early Bronze Age practically without Neolithic transition. The first Indo-Europeans to reach Scandinavia were the Corded Ware people from modern Russia, Belarus and Poland, who are thought to have belonged predominantly to haplogroup R1a."
See ...
The Germanic branch (S21/U106)Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapo
The principal Proto-Germanic branch of the Indo-European family tree is R1b-S21 (a.k.a. U106). This haplogroup is found at high concentrations in the Netherlands and north-west Germany. It is likely that R1b-S21 lineages expanded in this region through a founder effect during the Unetice period, then penetrated into Scandinavia around 1700 BCE, thus creating a new culture, that of the Noridc Bronze Age (1700-500 BCE). R1b-S21 would then have blended for more than a millennium with preexisting Scandinavian populations, represented by haplogroups I1, I2-M223, R1a-Z284 and to a lesser extent N1c1, which evolved into a relatively unified whole during the Iron Age, the first truly Germanic culture and language, although spread across many tribes. R1b-S21 became the dominant haplogroup among the West Germanic tribes, but remained in the minority against I1 and R1a in East Germanic tribes, including those originating from Sweden such as the Goths, the Vandals and Lombards.
The presence of R1b-S21 in other parts of Europe can be attributed almost exclusively to the Germanic migrations that took place between the 3rd and the 10th century. The Frisians and Anglo-Saxons disseminated this haplogroup to England and the Scottish Lowlands, the Franks to Belgium and France, the Burgundians to eastern France, the Suebi to Galicia and northern Portugal, and the Lombards to Austria and Italy. The Goths help propagate S21 around Eastern Europe, but apparently their Germanic lineages were progressively diluted by blending with Slavic and Balkanic populations, and their impact in Italy, France and Spain was very minor. Later the Danish and Norwegian Vikings have also contributed to the diffusion of R1b-S21 (alongside I1, I2b1 and R1a) around much of Western Europe, but mainly in Iceland, in the British Isles, in Normandy, and in the southern Italy.
See what? It's well known I1 men are the real badass fuckers that spread their seed and germanic/Viking culture unlike you R1b pussies that stayed in their place lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Lawalye
"Become germanic", they are not the original germanics, they are germanized norse who mixed with the R-U106 and they spread with the germanic invasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapo
The celtic R1B did not stayed at their place, they come from central Europe and then conquered all the west while the germanic R1B have invaded Scandinavia and central Europe.
The I haplogroup come from the pre indo-european population, they were mainly "replaced" by the invaders. It's why the I haplogroup is the most important only in Scandinavia and the balkans. The germanics mixed more with them, it's why it remain strong in Scandinavia and is also important in the other germanic countries.
You're still a fag, R1b guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawalye
R1B U106 guy :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapo
Pardon me, You're still a fag, R1B U106 guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawalye
PS I confused nomenclature again. I2a2b of my dad is Dinaric , not Celtic one. Celtic clade is former I2b if I am not mistaken.
So: I2a-Dinaric! :)
N-M231 (N1b - 01) +P43
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Ftdna myorigins haplogrubunu gösterdi mi sana yoksa ayrıca y-dna testi mi yaptırdın?Quote:
Originally Posted by gültekin
Father : EV13
Mothers father: R1b-L23
Typical haplogroups of my ethnicity:thumbs up
Double post
23andme classified me as E1b1b1c, which is obsolete by ISOGG standards. Wiki conversion table replaced it with E1b1b1b2a..I used the ISOGG Y tree add on and got this:
• • E1b1b1b2a M123/PF2023, CTS677/PF2015, CTS1229, CTS1652/Z1152, CTS6404, CTS9588, CTS10656, CTS11004, L798, L799, L857/PF2017/Z1147, PF2021/Z1154
• • • • • • • • • E1b1b1b2a1 M34/PF2022, CTS1264/Z843, CTS1510/Z844, CTS10814/Z859, CTS10815/Z860, CTS10896/Z861, CTS12700/Z863, L787, L797/PF2016/Z1146, PF1999/Z1155, PF2018/Z1148, PF2020/Z1153, Z839, Z840, Z841, Z845, Z846, Z847, Z848, Z855, Z856, Z857, Z858, Z862
• • • • • • • • • • E1b1b1b2a1a M84, CTS1096, L795/CTS4483, L29/Page47, PF6750
Bold markers are positive. L29 was positive, does it means I'm E1b1b1b2a1a ?
Q-m25
Still waiting for my results. It takes too long ffs...