Ford's (Bosnian Serb) autosomal results

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Originally Posted by Nato

Serbia wouldn't stand much chance if Austro-Hungarian command didn't arrogantly underestimated them. Not because Serb soldiers were inferior (actually they had edge due to defending their homeland and having previous battle experience from Balkan wars) but simply because Serbia couldn't match Austro-Hungary in man power and industrial output (weapons productions etc). Austro-Hungarian army was not modernized but it still had superior logistics and technology compared to Serbia. Also larger pool of men and reserves to draft for war.

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Fair enough, although the fact still is that the situation would have been dramatically different if they weren't fortified by Germans and later the Bulgarian offensive from behind.

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Originally Posted by Nato

Most Serbs do agree without allied help to transport their troops to Corfu they would have even bigger losses. Serbs lost most men during retreat trough Albania, thousands of captured Austro-Hungarian soldiers and officers that were retreating with them also left their bones there.

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I do not deny this, we have many thanks to give to our allies at that time, but say to that our allies won the war for us is quite the claim. They played without a doubt a central part, but you made it sound as if Serbia was sitting idly on its ass for France and Britain to win the war, when the winning offensive was carried out by Serbia and its allies.

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Originally Posted by Ford

Fair enough, although the fact still is that the situation would have been dramatically different if they weren't fortified by Germans and later the Bulgarian offensive from behind.


I do not deny this, we have many thanks to give to our allies at that time, but say to that our allies won the war for us is quite the claim. They played without a doubt a central part, but you made it sound as if Serbia was sitting idly on its ass for France and Britain to win the war, when the winning offensive was carried out by Serbia and its allies.

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Perhaps I put the words wrongly. Serbs played important part in winning coalition, but it's biggest players that played biggest roles. In my opinion without US involvement Central Powers (where German Empire was by far strongest player) could have ended on winning side.

Question for all the "experts", do you consider Bogomils European?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 42.85
2 North_and_East_European 31.83
3 Middle_East 14.27
4 Caucaus_Parsia 9.76
5 Mesoamerican 1.01
6 Paleo_African 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Macedonian 5.31
2 Montenegrin 6.5
3 Serbian 6.51
4 Bulgarian 6.72
5 Bosnian 7.86
6 Gagauz 8.73
7 Croatian 9.45
8 Swiss 9.51
9 Provancal 10.66
10 German-South 10.94
11 Hungarian 11.08
12 Italian_North 11.15
13 Romania 11.61
14 Austrian 11.99
15 Croatian_V 12.53
16 Slovenian 12.74
17 German_V 13.13
18 Ashkenazim_V 13.23
19 French 13.41
20 Portugese 14.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81% British + 19% Jew_Yemen @ 1.45
2 80.2% Orcadian + 19.8% Jew_Yemen @ 1.55
3 57.8% Swedish_V + 42.2% Jew_France @ 1.94
4 65.8% Czech + 34.2% Jew_France @ 2.09
5 69.3% Czech + 30.7% Jew_Morocco @ 2.11
6 67.2% German-North + 32.8% Jew_Morocco @ 2.13
7 60.2% Swedish_V + 39.8% Sephardim @ 2.16
8 64% Slovakian + 36% Jew_France @ 2.17
9 58.3% Swedish_V + 41.7% Jew_Italia @ 2.17
10 68.1% Czech + 31.9% Sephardim @ 2.23
11 66.4% Czech + 33.6% Jew_Italia @ 2.23
12 78.4% Croatian + 21.6% Jew_Morocco @ 2.25
13 74.1% Slovenian + 25.9% Jew_Libya @ 2.27
14 81.4% CEU + 18.6% Jew_Yemen @ 2.27
15 64.9% Swedish + 35.1% Jew_Tunisia @ 2.32
16 79.7% Croatian + 20.3% Jew_Libya @ 2.32
17 65.4% Croatian_V + 34.6% Sicilian @ 2.33
18 81.3% British + 18.7% Saudi @ 2.34
19 64.2% Swedish + 35.8% Jew_Morocco @ 2.35
20 61.6% Swedish_V + 38.4% Jew_Morocco @ 2.36

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Originally Posted by Nato

Lmao, Tuđman and Tito were both northwest Croats. You can't have sucessful nation if it's led by people from most backward and ottoman influenced parts.
These people care for their kin only , are highly corrupted and have more of tribal than national well-being in mind.

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Cool story. Not everyone had the privilege of being Austrian stable boys.

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

Cool story. Not everyone had the privilege of being Austrian stable boys.

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Austrians were better masters than Turks, I assure you.

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Originally Posted by Nato

Austrians were better masters than Turks, I assure you.

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I didn't say otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

As you can see all Serbs from TA which tested are more northern shifted than average for country Serbia, even Moje ime and CommonSense who have some Romanian/Vlach ancestors from eastern Serbia shifted more northern than average for multi-culti country Serbia. Ford, Dick and Tschkaikisten who are full Serbs are more northern than Moje ime and CS.

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A Serb (female) that is close to the K13 reference

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit M650062

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.95
2 North_Atlantic 27.71
3 West_Med 17.05
4 East_Med 13.31
5 West_Asian 9.5
6 Red_Sea 1.17
7 South_Asian 0.85
8 East_Asian 0.49
9 Northeast_African 0.47
10 Amerindian 0.47
11 Sub-Saharan 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.24
2 Moldavian 6.14
3 Romanian 6.68
4 Hungarian 7.02
5 Croatian 7.67
6 Bulgarian 9.26
7 Austrian 9.84
8 East_German 11.25
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.37
10 South_Polish 14.66
11 West_German 15.47
12 Ukrainian 15.57
13 South_Dutch 16.94
14 French 17.3
15 Greek_Thessaly 17.57
16 Polish 18.31
17 North_Italian 18.37
18 Southwest_Russian 19.35
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.54
20 North_German 19.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.3% Croatian + 26.7% Tuscan @ 1.75
2 55% Bulgarian + 45% East_German @ 1.8
3 51.6% North_Italian + 48.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.03
4 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% North_Italian @ 2.21
5 75.8% Serbian + 24.2% Croatian @ 2.24
6 76.2% Moldavian + 23.8% North_Italian @ 2.27
7 75.9% Croatian + 24.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.29
8 63.7% Romanian + 36.3% East_German @ 2.31
9 57% Ukrainian + 43% Tuscan @ 2.38
10 77.1% Croatian + 22.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.42
11 83.7% Serbian + 16.3% East_German @ 2.44
12 57.6% Hungarian + 42.4% Bulgarian @ 2.45
13 87.9% Serbian + 12.1% Ukrainian @ 2.46
14 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Polish @ 2.49
15 73% Serbian + 27% Moldavian @ 2.49
16 87.5% Serbian + 12.5% South_Polish @ 2.5
17 87.4% Serbian + 12.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.52
18 53.9% Romanian + 46.1% Croatian @ 2.52
19 59% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41% Tuscan @ 2.56
20 51.4% Romanian + 48.6% Hungarian @ 2.57

Leto, he's troilling. All these north shifted Serbs come from Bosnia and Croatia lmao. Serbs from Serbia and Montenegro are much more southern shifted.

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Originally Posted by Nato

Leto, he's troilling. All these north shifted Serbs come from Bosnia and Croatia lmao. Serbs from Serbia and Montenegro are much more southern shifted.

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I am not more northern than the average for Serbia, in fact in that regard I'm completely normal. I only shift towards the east, that's why I plot close to Moldovans on some calculators. Only a quarter of my ancestry is from Serbia proper and I have some Croatian blood too. Decius who is 7/8 Croatian Serb + 1/8 Croat plots very similar to me on most calculators. Not all Serbs from Bosnia and Croatia have the same results, but those from Montenegro and eastern and southern Serbia certainly have less Slavic genetic components.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

I am not more northern than the average for Serbia, in fact in that regard I'm completely normal. I only shift towards the east, that's why I plot close to Moldovans on some calculators. Only a quarter of my ancestry is from Serbia proper and I have some Croatian blood too. Decius who is 7/8 Croatian Serb + 1/8 Croat plots very similar to me on most calculators. Not all Serbs from Bosnia and Croatia have the same results, but those from Montenegro and eastern and southern Serbia certainly have less Slavic genetic components.

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Remember Bosniensis too.