"Proto-Iranians were not Northern Europeans"

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Originally Posted by Zoro

Yeah I vaguely remember that he was trying to even shit on David Reich when Reich had either talked about Yamnaya's West Asian half being south of the Caucasus around Iran or proto Indo European coming from there. Someone might remember. Everything revolves around East Europe for him.

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Not only him. Everybody is ethnocentric. Persians and other Iranians are getting a heart tack when we show them the evidence that the Kurds are the 'purest' Iranians. Even those from Afghanistan and Tajikistan who are hugely mixed with Turkic people (Uzbeks, Kazakh, Kirgiz, Turkmen etc.) want to compete with the Kurds on who is more 'Iranic', lol.

Those who claim that Andronovo was Indo-Iranian, they have 0 evidence. There is absolutely nothing that shows into that direction.

Actually Indo-Iranian are at least as old as the Hittites and the Hittites PREDATE Yamnaya. That means that Indo-Iranian also PREDATE Yamnaya. Actually I have many evidences that show that I'm (as follower of Ivanov) right big time. When I have seen the DNA of the Hittites I was very exited. Because those Hittites were J2a folks and had no Yamnaya ancestry.

Hittites were Anatolian Indo-Europeans. Anatolian IEans were closely related to Indo-Iranians. According to Graeco-Aryan thypthsesi, proto-Hellenic, proto-Hittite and proto-Indo-Iranian had the same source. Since we have evidence tha the Hitties were form West Asia, we can easly assume that Indo-Iranian was not far from it.

When I saw the results from BMAC I knew for 1000% that Ivanov was right. It was the last nail into the coffin of the Steppists.

There is 0 evidence that early Andronovo was Indo-Iranian, but we have got many evidences that BMAC was 'Iranic'. BMAC was studied by many scholar and all the MAJOR scholars on BMAC, like Viktor Sarianidi, agree that BMAC was related to the Iranic people. BMAC DNA was fully Aryan/Iranic and those BMAC Aryans belonged to many different haplogroups like hg. E, G, J2, L, R, T


Viktor Sarianidi

https://i.postimg.cc/DwDjP8qd/bronze...24x683-zi7.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1S7pJLH3c

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Originally Posted by Arhat

Well the facts dont change because you dont like them. You are just butthurt because history and genetics are not supporting your nationalist fantasy tales about "muh pur great Aryan ancestors". Andronovo had only mongolid admixture in the peripheral regions and early Andronovo/Sintashta was zero mongolid. Probably less mongolid than you and modern day West Asians. Also R1a-Z93 is the primarmy marker of Aryans and please dont try to deny that because you dont have R1a. R1a is an Indo-European marker and was found in Andronovo and Corded Ware but was absent in West Asia and Central Asia prior to the Iron Age/Late Bronze Age

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No, actually earliest Andronovo was purely Mongoloid, with West Siberian HG related. And only later it was influenced by the Yamnaya and became more 'western'. Later on it was influenced again, but this time by AYANS from the BMAC. Those Aryans from BMAC 'Iranised' Steppe people who later became known as East Iranian Saka people.

There is simply 0 evidence that Andronovo spoke Indo-Iranian. While many scientists do related BMAC to the Aryans.


Watch this video on BMAC!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1S7pJLH3c

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Originally Posted by MS85

Not only him. Everybody is ethnocentric. Persians and other Iranians are getting a heart tack when we show them the evidence that the Kurds are the 'purest' Iranians. Even those from Afghanistan and Tajikistan who are hugely mixed with Turkic people (Uzbeks, Kazakh, Kirgiz, Turkmen etc.) want to compete with the Kurds on who is more 'Iranic', lol.

Those who claim that Andronovo was Indo-Iranian, they have 0 evidence. There is absolutely nothing that shows that direction.

Actually Indo-Iranian are at least as old as the Hittites and the Hittites PREDATE Yamnaya. That means that Indo-Iranian also PREDATE Yamnaya.

Actually I have many evidences that show that I’m (as follower of Ivanov) right big time. When I have seen the DNA of the Hittites I was very exited. Because those Hittites were J2a folks and had no Yamnaya ancestry.

Hittites were Anatolian Indo-Europeans. Anatolian IEans were closely related to Indo-Iranians.
According to Graeco-Aryan thypthsesi, proto-Hellenic, proto-Hittite and proto-Indo-Iranian had the same source. Since we have evidence tha the Hitties were form West Asia, we can easly assume that Indo-Iranian was not far from it.

When I saw the results from BMAC I knew for 1000% that Ivanov was right. It was the last nail into the coffin of the Steppists.

There is 0 evidence that early Andronovo was Indo-Iranian, but we have got many evidences that BMAC was 'Iranic'. BMAC was studied by many scholar and all the MAJOR scholars on BMAC, like Viktor Sarianidi, agree that BMAC was related to the Iranic people.

BMAC DNA was fully Aryan/Iranic and those BMAC Aryans belonged to many different haplogroups like hg. E, G, J2, L, R, T


Viktor Sarianidi

https://i.postimg.cc/DwDjP8qd/bronze...24x683-zi7.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1S7pJLH3c

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Jesus dude..

Not a fan of genetics anymore tbh, but if the majority is indus valley, doesnt that make them pred. Asian and not nordic? I dont deny that they have substantial northeast european admixture, you have a point there ofc.

ARYANS from BMAC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBAGnKFd7E

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Originally Posted by Arhat

Also R1a-Z93 is the primarmy marker of Aryans and please dont try to deny that because you dont have R1a. R1a is an Indo-European marker and was found in Andronovo and Corded Ware but was absent in West Asia and Central Asia prior to the Iron Age/Late Bronze Age

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Dude, I'm R1a*. My haplogroup is daddy of all modern R1a, hahaha.

But R1a was not even Indo-European at the first place. R1a in the Western Steppes was Indo-Europeanised by R1b folks from Yamnaya.


But no, like the Hittites and the Mycenaeans ARYANS were J2a folks. The ARYAN Medes were mostly J2a folks, since there is a lot J2a in the ancient Aryan lands of the Medes.

About my R1a*


https://i.postimg.cc/XYpBdgcq/a.png
https://i.postimg.cc/vBL4b2Mq/b.jpg

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Originally Posted by Arhat

This analyze is bullshit and the sam guy claimed that Pashtuns have significant kurdish admixture lol

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Haha nice try friend of Eurogenes. The analysis was based on qpAdm which is used in most scientific papers unlike Eurogenes G25 nmonte which no one uses in the scientific community. So you are saying that qpAdm is bullshit and all the scientific papers that use it. Nice try....educate yourself

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Originally Posted by Creoda

This is something I find peculiar. They come on European forums, they come to live in European countries, they suck up to Europeans often, yet they're so offended at the idea that Europeans founded much of their culture and contributed to their ancestry? If you're so proud, fuck off back.

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Europeans are too peaceful. Just imagine if it was the other way around, with Europeans going to live in Iran. Things would surely be very different.

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Originally Posted by Token

Europeans are too peaceful. Just imagine if it was the other way around, with Europeans going to live in Iran. Things would surely be very different.

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Well, it is a well-known fact the Aryan Medes exterminated the Scythian elite baboons in Kurdistan.