Why/how were Early Neolithic Farmers cucked by WHG?

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Originally Posted by Creoda

Your insight and wit is incredible, how could I have missed it.

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Man, don’t let old Daco get to you. All that is true btw. I notice you left out my real answer, cute. The premise of thread deserves mockery so please excuse my tone. I actually addressed the question saying that I men made headway in Northern Europe partly due to the sparse population and demographics.

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Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

Man, don’t let old Daco get to you. All that is true btw. I notice you left out my real answer, cute. The premise of thread deserves mockery so please excuse my tone. I actually addressed the question saying that I men made headway in Northern Europe partly due to the sparse population and demographics.

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That may help explain why I was more common in Northern Europe, but it doesn't explain why I dominated Northern European Farmers, and was disproportionately common in Southern Europe, as well as dominating in Sardinia. The premise of the thread is a genuinely strange historical phenomenon relevant to our ancestors, which has parallels in the dominance of N in Finland.

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Originally Posted by Creoda

That may help explain why I was more common in Northern Europe, but it doesn't explain why I dominated Northern European Farmers, and was disproportionately common in Southern Europe, as well as dominating in Sardinia. The premise of the thread is a genuinely strange historical phenomenon relevant to our ancestors, which has parallels in the dominance of N in Finland.

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The WHG became stranded on Sardinia after the last ice age sea levels rose(same scenario in Britain when Doggerland disappeared) so it's obvious that the Anatolians were also sea faring people. If there were only a few thousand WHG in Britain then their numbers were surely even lower on Sardinia.

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Originally Posted by ChildofMud

My theory is that women were more dominant in early EEF society.

Another way to put it, Farmer Wives stole HG men. ;) Farmer women were prettier.

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This actually makes sense as archeological record shows that early farmer societies were very egalitarian. Blending of two different groups could have produced a difference in customs and that change in how much progeny a man could have also would follow (I mean polygamy etc.).

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Originally Posted by Imperator Biff

Have there been any funnelbeaker samples found belonging to I1 yet? From what I’ve seen its expansion happened during the BA not the Neolithic. TRB/GAC all seem to belong to haplogroup I2 same as Atlantic EEF.

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Originally Posted by Creoda

I stand corrected then. I1 coming from the East later on makes sense.

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According to Phylogeographer, I-M253 belonged to the Funnelbeaker culture and then Corded Ware. Take it with a grain of salt perhaps.

https://i.imgur.com/WeZJ7QG.jpg

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Originally Posted by War Chief

Yeah but then r1b is also the oldest PIE (Khvalsynk, yamnaya) haplogroup, which makes you think in Basques it was founder effect :confused:

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Khvalynsk had haplos other than R1b, idiot. Corded Ware which was just as old as Yamnaya was R1a-rich which Yamnaya didn't even have.

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Originally Posted by L3mon J3lly

Khvalynsk had haplos other than R1b, idiot. Corded Ware which was just as old as Yamnaya was R1a-rich which Yamnaya didn't even have.

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Why are you name-calling?

The oldest R1a was found in Vasylivka Ukraine. Not a Corded Ware site.

https://i.imgur.com/l6BpS3c.png

I never said anything about where the oldest R1a is from.

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Originally Posted by porpozontokonto

What happened to C1a? How did I2 managed to survive but C1a didn't?

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Replacement of Paleo-Euros by WHG after the Epi-Gravettian culture.

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Originally Posted by Creoda

That makes it pretty unique as WHG and ANE were very distinct, as is EHG from both of them, and everything else. ANE also wasn't contemporaneous with EHG so you can't compare them. EHG and WHG are the two extremes of the Mesolithic European cline that modern Europeans derive their ancestry from and that pulls them away from West Asians/MENAs.

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