Pontic Greek Gedmatch results

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

About language and culture - the people who moved into Greece were not 100% Slavs. They were our northern neighbours who already had some Slavic admixture, AKA south Slavs. You seem to think they are the same as a Ukrainian or something, but they're not. The admixture is similar to ours but lacking the Kura-Araxes as I showed before, now you need to stop coming up with conspiracy theories - mainland Greece was never isolated like Iceland so I'm not sure why you're making a comparison.

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that's not true, they certainly had assimilated some natives of southern Balkans but the fact that several latin speaking cities (like tauresium) still existed in Balkan countries when Slavs invaded Greece shows that those slavs who invaded Greece were likely closer to proto-Slavs than modern south Slavic people are to proto-slavs.

as for the maps, the first is wrong, considering that Eastern Peloponnese wasn't occupied by Slavs (not that Slavs didn't emigrate there, they did but they didn't occupy the place) at the same time that the part of Epirus which has the most slavic toponyms in Greece is shown as "slavic-less"

Anyway, I think people always mention slavic admixture in Greece but usually forget "gasmuloi" of frankish era, who likely also brought some more steppe admixture

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Originally Posted by Leto

I don't know much about taxonomy because I consider it bullshit for the most part but Mongoloid admixture is very low in Bulgaria and North Macedonia, 1% at most.

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Nonsense.

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

Nonsense.

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Prove me wrong, show some samples. There are plenty of Bulgarians and North Macedonians on Gedmatch and G25, there are specific threads about them here. That data proves me right, though I don't even have an agenda here 'cause I'm not a Balkan Slav, they aren't my people.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Prove me wrong, show some samples. There are plenty of Bulgarians and North Macedonians on Gedmatch and G25, there are specific threads about them here. That data proves me right, though I don't even have an agenda here 'cause I'm not a Balkan Slav, they aren't my people.

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Im not going to post the same example over and over again. South Slavs have Slavo-Avar Turanid input that North Greeks dont have. End.

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

Slavs never made it to Dodecanese obviously, but overtime mainland Greeks brought Steppe admixture over here. I mean, I don't see why they wanted to come here, but a few did obviously :p.

Anyways, somebody more knowledgeable than me needs to explain how the Kura-Araxes admixture of ancient Greeks disappeared and how the steppe (Yamnaya) magically increased:

https://imgur.com/NhRFzY6.png

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for the record, Mycaeneans weren't even settled in Thessaly and Macedonia, let alone Thrace, meanwhile Peloponnese (part of mainland) has some Kura-Araxes, not significantly lower than the second mycaenean sample.

We need ancient samples from these northern parts of Greece to make a conclusion. On the other hand considering that 3 out of 4 Mycaenean samples have less of this admixture than Kos does, you do realize that Kos has additional native pre-greek admixture that did not exist among ancient mainlanders

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Ok, now post models using ancient samples like I do to support your claims. Talking without any evidence is meaningless.

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My evidence is what studies have been made until now about Greek genetics that don't attest an enormous impact of Slavs
or 30% Slav genes in Greece the fact that Greeks resemble about 70% the Mycanaeans and are closest modern populations along with Italians,Albos,Cypriots

Also the paper on Balto Slav genetics which you yourself referred to in the past and which groups Greeks far away from
Slavic people outside the Balkan and Balts and also marks a clear separation between Balkanic Slavs and Greeks


And what i see and what i see when i'm in Greece is not Slavic looking people the phenotype of Greeks in crowds even for Mainland Greeks feels very different from any Slavic ethnic they simply don't look like Slavs as a whole ,every idiot can go to Greece and can see that for himself i have no reason to lie,people here can claim whatever they want it doesn't change it

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

Im not going to post the same example over and over again. South Slavs have Slavo-Avar Turanid input that North Greeks dont have. End.

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Okay but that's a load of crap in my opinion. Slavic people are light with light hair and blue-gray eyes. Exactly what I look like. So if anything, Slavic influence would result in a higher frequency of Northern phenotypes and not "Turanid".
Slavs are more acceptable in international White Nationalist circles than Greeks and that is not my opinion or a jab at you whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Okay but that's a load of crap in my opinion. Slavic people are light with light hair and blue-gray eyes. Exactly what I look like. So if anything, Slavic influence would result in a higher frequency of Northern phenotypes and not "Turanid".
Slavs are more acceptable in international White Nationalist circles than Greeks and that is not my opinion or a jab at you whatsoever.

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I don't care what White Nationalist accept - Slavo-Avar Turanid input is non existent in Greek phenotypes.

West Asian Caucasian sure
East Med Mediterranean sure

Slavo-Avar Turanid and Turk - get the fuck out.

Unfortunately, 95% of the people here are absolutely retarded, and come up with their own baseless numbers for Slavic admixture in Greece. If you want to get an accurate picture of the aforementioned admixture, using G25 would be your best bet. Below is a simple and precise model that works for mainland Greeks, using Slovakians as the group representing early Slavs. The addition of Syrian represents near eastern admixture that entered Greece. I am using them because I am suspecting that the original group were Greek speaking Christians from the Antioch area. UKR_Cimmerian represents any post Mycenaean native Balkan like stuff (Illyrian, Thracian, Dorian)

[1] "distance%=1.6568"

Greek_Central_Macedonia

Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,49.2
Slovakian,38.4
UKR_Cimmerian,10.8
Pulliyar,1.6

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Originally Posted by Coolguy1

Unfortunately, 95% of the people here are absolutely retarded, and come up with their own baseless numbers for Slavic admixture in Greece. If you want to get an accurate picture of the aforementioned admixture, using G25 would be your best bet. Below is a simple and precise model that works for mainland Greeks, using Slovakians as the group representing early Slavs. The addition of Syrian represents near eastern admixture that entered Greece. I am using them because I am suspecting that the original group were Greek speaking Christians from the Antioch area. UKR_Cimmerian represents any post Mycenaean native Balkan like stuff (Illyrian, Thracian, Dorian)

[1] "distance%=1.6568"

Greek_Central_Macedonia

Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,49.2
Slovakian,38.4
UKR_Cimmerian,10.8
Pulliyar,1.6

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Anyone can use models to suit their own outcomes, which is quite retarded.