And thank god I'm not from Essex. The working classes there rape the English language every time they speak. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadu
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And thank god I'm not from Essex. The working classes there rape the English language every time they speak. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadu
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Originally Posted by Apotheosis
I assume my predominant Southern European ancestry is from old Paleobalkan populations such as Hellenes, Illyrians and Thracians. Really nothing new as it is just more concrete proof that we are not foreign Slavic invaders of the Balkans.Quote:
Southern European: 41.4%
I assume the 26% Baltic is from Slavic influence resulting from Serbian migration into the peninsula. It is a pretty good example of how large of an influence the Slavic Serbs had on indigenous Balkan peoples. They certainly contributed a lot but never completely replaced us.Quote:
Southeast Baltic: 26.6%
I'm not sure where I'm getting this from but perhaps it could be considered a component of Slavic influence or even Gothic?Quote:
Northern European: 22.1%
This could be from one of my distant Celtic ancestors who migrated to the Balkans.Quote:
Western European: 0.08%
I assume this is from one Turkish ancestor from way back. Obviously his influence was negligible.Quote:
Eurasian: 0.007%
My results (lower North Atlantic than average, as far as I see)
Southern European: 33, 40
More or less average for a Spaniard. It peaks in Calabria and Greece, so I relate it with a Mediterranean and Iberian component.
Northen European: 33,27 (it peaks in the Northern Sea)
As usual, the highest amongst Spaniards except one who scores 50 per cent and I suppose he's mixed. I relate it with Germanic invasions like Goths, or perhaps some medieval settlers from the western parts of the Low countries?
Western European: 32,91 (it peaks in Catalonia and the Pyrnees)
Lower than the average Spaniard.
North Atlantic: 0,00 (it peaks in Britain and Ireland)
Quite under the average of a Spaniard.
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Originally Posted by Fresa Salvaje
He's not mixed, he's a Galician from Ourense.
He is a direct gothic descendant then! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kadu
Me:
54.51 Northern European
18.37 Southern European
9.73 Western European
7.09 Southeast Baltic
7.08 North Atlantic
2.12 Sub-Saharan African
1.11 East and/or North Eurasian
By the way, I see the French have a relatively high Northern European component, comparable to that of Germans (but German samples are far fewer). It would be interesting to see where in France those samples are from, mostly.
Decided to make a chart:Quote:
Originally Posted by Electronic God-Man
Ok a chart to go along with it as well then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1309893570
Southeast Baltic 13.39
Northern European - 16.7 (:confused::eek:)
North Atlantic - 69.0 (Watch out for the Picts!)
East and/or North Eurasian - 0.88
Sub Saharan African - 0
Southern European - 0
Western European - 0
Only NO7 have a lower Northern European and a higher North Atlantic score than me.
Here are my new scores, US5:
SE Baltic - 1.8%
N European - 55.8%
N Atlantic - 26.0%
E a/o N EurAsi - 0%
SSA - 0%
S European - 2.5%
W European - 13.9%
I'm more Nordic than Pallantides?! LOL Right...
MD1:
SE Baltic: 26.5%
N European: 0.001%
N Atlantic: 26.3%
E a/o N EurAsi: 1.9%
SSA: 0.001%
S European: 45.2%
W European: 0.001%
Southeast Baltic: 5.3902
Northern European: 23.4675
North Atlantic: 30.3407
East Eurasian: 0.001
Sub-Saharan African: 0.001
Southern European: 5.4037
Western European: 35.3959
Where are you all getting this from? I know you send this off to Polako and Co, but where from there?
He posts results at his blog.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Crow
http://bga101.blogspot.com/
How long does it take from being assigned a reference number to 'the team' posting the results?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlabamaMan
FIRST PLOT :
46.9 % North-atlantic
6.1 % North-european
3 % east-european
43.3 % Mediterranean
SECOND PLOT (the last) :
41.7 % North-atlantic
14.7 % West-european
43.3 % south-european
I'm sure the time varies, but from what I understand, he generally adds new participants before he does a new run. Right now he is on holiday and has stated that updates will be few and far between for awhile, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Crow
I'm UK39, how does this get done?
This is you from the spreadsheet:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trog
59.09 Green (North Atlantic)
22.56 Pink (Western European)
16.66 Yellow (Northern European)
1.68 Red (Southeast Baltic)
0.00 Aqua (East and/or North Eurasian)
0.00 Light Blue (Sub-Saharan African)
0.00 Dark Blue (Southern European)
The Crow (UK40):
58.26 Green (North Atlantic)
27.10 Pink (Western European)
8.17 Yellow (Northern European)
6.46 Red (Southeast Baltic)
0.00 Aqua (East and/or North Eurasian)
0.00 Light Blue (Sub-Saharan African)
0.00 Dark Blue (Southern European)
This is the first run I've been in; I'm US239.
Southeast Baltic: 0.022854
Northern European: 0.320468
North Atlantic: 0.37594
East and/or North Eurasian: 0.00001
Sub-Saharan African: 0.00001
Southern European: 0.280708
Western European: 0.00001
Havnt been here for some while.
But here are maps for the latest run.
Except for Subsaharan and North-East Asian. I am a little bit lazy right now and with the exception of some tiny numbers here and there, it will be zeros all over those maps anyways.
My own:
Northern European: 54% (German average is 29%)
South-East Baltic: 21% (my Silesian, East Prussian and Lithuanian anchestors all have a possibility to be a source for this) German average is 16%
Southern European: 11% (German average: 11%)
Western European: 10% (German average is 12%)
North Atlantic: 3% (German average is 33%, wich is the German main anchestry)
I really wonder how Northern European and North Atlantic spread INSIDE of Germany. Are my Westphalian anchestors possibly responsable for the extreme over average Northern European? Westphalia is the Westpart of the old Saxon realm. ("Eastphalia" was the East part and "Engern" the center)
But then again is that North-Atlantic increadable low. Hm.
HOwever.... here are the maps:
How can you calculate how near or far you are from other populations? How are people able to do that?
Well, you first have to calculate the averages for the different populations. Fortunately, Frederick has done that work for us with his maps above. :winkQuote:
Originally Posted by Trog
Scottish Averages vs. Trog
North Atlantic: 48% | 59%
Northern European: 30% | 17%
Western European: 17% | 23%
Southeast Baltic: 4% | 2%
Southern European: 0% | 0%
That's useful, seems I'm higher on the North Atlantic and western European side, but lower on northern European and SE Baltic. My results are more reflective of the Irish averages, but I'm still somewhat higher in terms of being more western European. Hmm, can north Atlantic also be called "Celtic"? If so, what does that make western European?
Western European peaks in the Pyrenees, so maybe some type of pre-IE component?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trog
Yeah, Polako seems to consider it as north west Iberian/South west French, so maybe an ancient link to the Basques, which would explain my rhesus negative blood type too.
NO2(me)/NO7/Scottish average - North Atlantic
69.0%/76.21%/48%
NO2(me)/NO7/Scottish average - North European
16.7%/ 1.8%/30%
I'm more North Atlantic than the Scottish average and less North European...
Oh hmm... it seems I have more Nordic ancestry than you do. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
Northern European:
RS1(me) 22.1%
RS2(another Serb) 39.8%
The distribution of Northern European vs. North Atlantic in some people makes little sense, even in some from the same population.
I just wonder how the program keeps such obviously very closely related components apart in detail...
One for me too! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Loki
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/p...e_21FE9654.png
Well, it wasn't uncommon for Vikings to take British Isles wives during the Viking Age. So maybe they did take a lot of British wives that replaced a lot of original Norwegians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
Hm. Hmmm.
Lets not forget the F-Distances between the components.
North-European and North Atlantic are VERY closely "related".
Distance between North-Europe and North Atlantic: 0.015
Thats the smallest distance between any 2 of these components.
The second closest pair is North-Europe and South East Baltic, with a distance of 0.024 to each others.
The next pairing is North Atlantic and South-East baltic with 0.025 distance.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/45/eu7bfst.png
Looking at the British isles alone, its really suggestive of
North Atlantic = Island Celts
North-European = Germanic peoples
But outside of the British Isles this crashes into some strange things:
It makes Germany apear more Celtic than Germanic. This IS imaginable, after all what is now Germany, had only the northern most 1/3 with Germanic tribes and the southern 2/3 Celts. And who knows how much Celts have been Germanized in the Germanic-Celtic wars, 3th-2th century BC.
The southern most third of the country was even not Germanic settled before AD times.
But Norway.... a country, also believed to be Germanic and NEVER, even in parts, to be Celtic, has more North Atlantic than Northern European.
Also looking at France in this run. Much more "Northern European" than "North Atlantic". The run before this run, Ireland centered "North Atlantic" had even be the leading component in France. But from run to run, the algorythm assignes the same alleles to different clusters.
All this makes the above mentioned connection of the components to antique people questionable. It seems, its not that easy.
EDIT:
I also realised that a lot of people have EITHER huge amounts of NOrthern European with almost no North-Atlantic or the other way around.
Thats also the case with the Germans.
There are 13 Germans. 3 of those have "Northern European" at Scandinavian levels (one of those is me). And ALL of them have almost zero North-Atlantic in return.
Southeast Baltic: 0.106729
Northern European: 0.00001
North Atlantic: 0.122683
East and North Eurasian: 0.00001
Sub-Saharan African: 0.00001
Southern European: 0.770548
Western European: 0.00001
No nig, no chink, no cracker, no paella nig. Life is so beautiful!
http://www.rastko.rs/arheologija/tst...-greece_e.htmlQuote:
Southeast Baltic: 0.106729
http://www.lwcag.org/european-people...of-greece.htmlQuote:
North Atlantic: 0.122683
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GreeksQuote:
Southern European: 0.770548
nah...It wouldn't make any sense in my case, I'm a ür-Scandinavian after all;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotheosis
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...postcount=3997
The 3 Germans wich have Northern European at Scandinavian (or Dutch) levels and the background I know of them:
Me: (54%)
1 Grandmother born the borderegion Germany/Netherland <----North European from here?
2 Grandparents born in Silesia
1 Grandparent born in East Prussia
German No7: (63%)
2 Grandparents from the German Baltic coast. <----Northern European from here?
1 Grandparent from Baden Würthemberg
1 Grandparent Hessia/Switzerland mix
German No 14: (73%)
Unknown to me
No other surpasses 31%.
That's what make me wonder too, it is true for some Germans and Dutch in particular and it makes no sense at all.Quote:
I also realised that a lot of people have EITHER huge amounts of NOrthern European with almost no North-Atlantic or the other way around.
Thats also the case with the Germans.
There are 13 Germans. 3 of those have "Northern European" at Scandinavian levels (one of those is me). And ALL of them have almost zero North-Atlantic in return.
There are some which have ZERO of the other component, even though being part of that population and showing no other deviations. Therefore it must be something about the method, rather than real ancestral components alone - after all this method has limited capabilities for detecting real ancestry anyway, even though it is surely useful in this respect as well.
Something similar can be observed in some people with Southern and Western European btw.
North Euro and North Atlantic is also practicaly equidistant to Southern and Western European, unlike the Baltic component.
Again, it is suggestive of Northern Europeans having a huge South Eastern European-West Asian component OF AGE in the genpool, actually the distance of Western European vs. Southern European makes that clear.
But for the distance between Northern European vs. North Atlantic, I'm not sure about how real this is at all, though the main difference I see is that Northern Euro is even closer, even if just somewhat, to both Southern and Western European and Baltic, so closer to those elements which most likely colonised the area from 3 direction, before the regional population was formed.
So if at all, North Atlantic is the even older colonisation event, if one wants to use imagination and overstretch things somewhat. This would coincide with the "more Nordoid Sweden vs. the more old Atlantic Norway" in comparison.
The oldest European components being Western European (~Basque-Sardinian ~ Mediterranean in Dodecad 12) and Baltic (~Eastern European in Dodecad 12). The rest is much more late Mesolithic-Neolithic-Metal Age-recent influenced and closer related to each other, uniting different influences, including those older European ones.
This method doesnt detect any "real" anchestral components, I am sure.Quote:
Therefore it must be something about the method, rather than real ancestral components alone
Its told: look at these people. ASSUME they all made of 7 archetypes. Tell me those archetypes and how much of each, everyone is.
I am absolutely sure, the archetypes it finds, are modern, not ancient and not neolithic.
And those archetypes can be mixed too.
An AMERICAN (US234) reflects the "Northern European Archetype" by 97%
That a problem already. An American is THE "Northern European" Archetype....
REALLY? ;)
From all countries, the Swedes match, by average, that "ideal Northern European" best (51% by average). But the best matching Swede starts at 83% match only.
And besides taking an American as the model for "Northern European", its also MODERN Northern European. Not the Northern European of 2000 years ago.
To do something like this, we would need the aDNA of people who lived back then and make THEM anchors for the clusters.
But even thorugh all the problems... I still trust more into DNA technology than into phenotyping.
Phenotyping bases on maybe 0.1% of the DNA/anchestry of a man. If at all.