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03-23-2019, 06:02 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

Probably in the 7th century there was no genetical difference between Serbs and Croats.

Maybe you are right...Many times Srbs and Croats used like acronim for eachother..
03-23-2019, 06:03 PM
Insuperable

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

Lusatian Serbs just got the name of these I2a1b Serbs.
Ikavian dialect is compicated and can't be considered to much than stocavian. Still PH908 is always in huge % among the Serbs, and Among the Croats you can find it only in regions where was Serbian presence.
If not migration of Croats from south to north-western Croatia PH908 will be like 10% Among kajkavian Croats.

Lets say that everything you have ever said is true. What then? What do you want?
03-23-2019, 06:04 PM
ph2ter

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Originally Posted by Dick

I tried this. Your subclade ends up in Ukraine 450AD

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-map-generator

Proto-Slavic.
03-23-2019, 06:04 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

It is highest in Central Dalmatia in Croatia where never existed Serbian presence. Some Croatian Islands are over 50% I2-dinaric.

The Island full of migration from east herzegovina.
03-23-2019, 06:04 PM
Ayetooey

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Bastarnae ?

Could be, could be left over goths, could be left over dacians, not really sure yet. But I don't believe that ph908 carries came down in the 5th century with everyone else, the distribution is too weird within the balkans, and other balkan nations which have significant i2 like Greece, Macedonia and Bulgaria are almost entirely din-north which I find weird. Even that stupid map has my subclade in Romania pre 100AD and in Serbia (raska) in 300AD.

I definitely think its wrong either way to correlate ph908 with proto Serbs or proto Croats, it simply follows a dinaric distribution across former-YS.
03-23-2019, 06:04 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

Lets say that everything you have ever said is true. What then?

Well it isn't. Like Leeloo said White Croats settled in Dalmatia. We in the north descend from Panonnian Slavs.
So it is obvious proto-Croats genetics will be found in North-Central Dalmatia and not in Zagorje.
03-23-2019, 06:05 PM
Insuperable

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Well it isn't. Like Leeloo said White Croats settled in Dalmatia. We in the north descend from Panonnian Slavs.
So it is obvious proto-Croats genetics will be found in Dalmatia and not in Zagorje.

I don't care is it or is it not. I wonder what they want to accomplish. They are so pathetic.
03-23-2019, 06:05 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

Lets say that everything you have ever said is true. What then? What do you want?

I am not sure, money is always welcome even if I have, but who know what can happend, right? ;)
03-23-2019, 06:06 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Could be, could be left over goths, could be left over dacians, not really sure yet. But I don't believe that ph908 carries came down in the 5th century with everyone else, the distribution is too weird within the balkans, and other balkan nations which have significant i2 like Greece, Macedonia and Bulgaria are almost entirely din-north which I find weird. Even that stupid map has my subclade in Romania pre 100AD and in Serbia (raska) in 300AD.

I definitely think its wrong either way to correlate ph908 with proto Serbs or proto Croats, it simply follows a dinaric distribution across former-YS.

Mate, first Slavic Balkan states were founded in dinaric alps. Din-N is older.
If they were some kind of Germanic, assimilation happened before coming south imo.
03-23-2019, 06:06 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Well it isn't. Like Leeloo said White Croats settled in Dalmatia. We in the north descend from Panonnian Slavs.
So it is obvious proto-Croats genetics will be found in Dalmatia and not in Zagorje.

Proto-Croatian genetic mostly migrated from northern Dalmatia towards the northwest in 1520s because of Ottoman invasion.
03-23-2019, 06:07 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Well it isn't. Like Leeloo said White Croats settled in Dalmatia. We in the north descend from Panonnian Slavs.
So it is obvious proto-Croats genetics will be found in North-Central Dalmatia and not in Zagorje.

It's a fairytale...She only need to find solution for south Slovenians and than it would be amazing, right? They could be purple Croats.
03-23-2019, 06:08 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Proto-Croatian genetic mostly migrated from northern Dalmatia towards the northwest in 1520s because of Ottoman invasion.

Yes, Burgerland Croats are mostly Din-S. And Dalmatia was never emptied of people, just parts of Zagora. Huge amount of locals just moved to coastline and Islands.
03-23-2019, 06:08 PM
Ayetooey

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Mate, first Slavic Balkan states were founded in dinaric alps. Din-N is older.

I don't deny ph908 was part of the first slavic balkan states, I'm saying that I don't believe it specifically came down with proto serbs or croats, but earlier and then was assimilated. Din-N is older overall yes; but has a completely different distribution.
03-23-2019, 06:09 PM
Moje ime

Phenotype is more important than pigmentation.
03-23-2019, 06:10 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

It's a fairytale...She only need to find solution for south Slovenians and than it would be amazing, right? They could be purple Croats.

You are annoying as fuck. Give sources for your claims. You come off as very uneducated and clown-like. You guys make Serbia look bad. It is easy to hate you all just because of few internet warriors on TA.
03-23-2019, 06:11 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Bastarnae ?

Don't think so, tribe caled Hodi in Czech Republic they called themselves Serbs, they are almost all of them PH908.
03-23-2019, 06:11 PM
ph2ter

Until we don't get the haplogroups of medieval Serbs and Croats this discussion is pointless.
03-23-2019, 06:11 PM
Pubiczar

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Mortimer is Gypsy, regardless his paternal great-grandfather was probably Serb (he married Gypsy woman). Afro-Americans have 1/3 European paternal lines, because white masters often fucked black women. Afro-Americans with European paternal lines are still niggers.

Fyrom is full of Gypsies idiot.
Fyromanians are southern genetically, shorter and darker than Serbs. They are distant from Serbs, ask *****!

You Serbs are more mixed with Gypsies, all your pop singers have some distant Gypsy ancestry...
Mixing with Gypsies in Macedonia is not very popular and people who do it are usually of the lowest classes and their descendants are destined to bear the heavy load of their ancestors, which means that they wouldn't be very nicely accepted in the society!
I know this is very racist, but that's the way it is here...
Our dark looking people are not because of Gypsies but because of Mediterranean types, while you Serbs are pretty mixed with Gypsies...
I for example, score 0% South Asian on every calculator like most of Macedonians do, and mind you I am 186 cm, 92 kg, 12% body fat, and I wouldn't even give a flying fuck weather you are 195 or 205 cm tall...
My height is just perfect, and mind you, I am not on the higher end of the spectrum among the Macedonians, but more on the average.
You Serbs, have some Macedonian blood because of historical migrations on your territory, while we, don't have much Serv blood!
Thank God
03-23-2019, 06:12 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Yes, Burgerland Croats are mostly Din-S. And Dalmatia was never emptied of people, just parts of Zagora. Huge amount of locals just moved to coastline and Islands.

I saw 6 ssmples of surnames Horvath and there is no PH908 among them..
03-23-2019, 06:12 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

Don't think so, tribe caled Hodi in Czech Republic they called themselves Serbs, they are almost all of them PH908.

I heard this is made up story by Serbs after you were in problems because White Serbs in Lusatia have no genetic connections with you.

Post some sources about this tribe and their Serbian identity, in English. If it is true there must be some literature about it.
03-23-2019, 06:13 PM
Ayetooey

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Yes, Burgerland Croats are mostly Din-S. And Dalmatia was never emptied of people, just parts of Zagora. Huge amount of locals just moved to coastline and Islands.

Have you got a source for this? On the Burgenland Croat dna project i2a is extremely low, there's dozens and dozens of r1a. And only 5 of the I2a1b they have, have DYS448=19, which is the str value associated with dinaric south, an extremely small number; the rest are din north.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

I haven't found a single person with the surname Horvat/Horvath with i2a-din south either, and I've checked many projects.
03-23-2019, 06:13 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

Until we don't get the haplogroups of medieval Serbs and Croats this discussion is pointless.

Agree.
03-23-2019, 06:14 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Have you got a source for this? On the Burgenland Croat dna project i2a is extremely low, there's dozens and dozens of r1a. And only 5 of the I2a1b they have, have DYS448=19, which is the str value associated with dinaric south, an extremely small number; the rest are din north.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

I haven't found a single person with the surname Horvat/Horvath with i2a-din south either, and I've checked many projects.

That was written on forum.hr. I see only few Croats here mate, over 80% is German and some are Magyars.
03-23-2019, 06:14 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

I heard this is made up story by Serbs after you were in problems because White Serbs in Lusatia have no genetic connections with you.

Post some sources about this tribe and their Serbian identity, in English. If it is true there must be some literature about it.

I am not here to be your secretary...Litteray you can search that by yourself lol
03-23-2019, 06:16 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

I saw 6 ssmples of surnames Horvath and there is no PH908 among them..

Horvath does not mean medieval southern Croats, those are Hungarians dumbass. Horvath is most common surname in Slovakia also.
03-23-2019, 06:16 PM
Ayetooey

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

That was written on forum.hr. I see only few Croats here mate, over 80% is German and some are Magyars.

Whoops my bad, but I've noticed when looking at Horvat/Horvath people they're mainly R1a which is interesting; either way ph2ter is right in that the discussion is pointless until medieval samples are found. We have none.
03-23-2019, 06:19 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

You are annoying as fuck. Give sources for your claims. You come off as very uneducated and clown-like. You guys make Serbia look bad. It is easy to hate you all just because of few internet warriors on TA.

You have not strong evidence about white croatia, and I haved thse discusion like 1mil times, that's why I don't want to share anything, you compatriot said right thing, let we see medival Croats and Serbs, than we are going to know.
Bellive me it's also very anoying when someone claim that all slavic from Croatia to half of Bulgaria are Croats, and you doing pretty much the same.
03-23-2019, 06:19 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

I am not here to be your secretary...Litteray you can search that by yourself lol

https://www.google.com/search?source...30.QmbjGTCLxsc

nothing came out
03-23-2019, 06:20 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Horvath does not mean medieval southern Croats, those are Hungarians dumbass. Horvath is most common surname in Slovakia also.

Dude...Like stop it. These people are tested and some of them are Croat's. That's means they come from Croatia.
But until we don't see medival samples we can't know for sure anything.
03-23-2019, 06:21 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

You have not strong evidence about white croatia, and I haved thse discusion like 1mil times, that's why I don't want to share anything, you compatriot said right thing, let we see medival Croats and Serbs, than we are going to know.
Bellive me it's also very anoying when someone claim that all slavic from Croatia to half of Bulgaria are Croats, and you doing pretty much the same.

There is million times more evidence of White Croatia and that is why several scientists think White Serbia was invented by Porfirogenet to copy arrival of White Croats to Adriatic story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Croatia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Croats

I don't claim your people because we don't care about Serbs. Just fuck off and leave us alone, be proud Serbs and stop claiming other people and their history.
03-23-2019, 06:27 PM
Pribislav

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Yes, Burgerland Croats are mostly Din-S. And Dalmatia was never empited of people, just parts of Zagora. Huge amount of locals just moved to coastline and Islands.

You have Venetian sources from 1527 where is written than population of Dalmatiam hinterland from 60 000 fell on only 2000 due to Ottoman invasion.

I2-Din among Burgenland Croatians can be for Serbian minority which lived in Croatia before Ottomans. They joined to Croatian in migrations when Ottomans arrived.

How you explain that Burgenland Croatian Dobrović who is I2-PH908 (580 on tabele) https://lundiak.files.wordpress.com/...outh_ph908.png have a match with Serbs from this various places/region: Njegiši (Montenegro), Priština (Kosovo), Gacko (Easrt Herzegovina), Lovinac (Lika), Kordun, Brod (N. Bosnia), Bijelo Polje (Montenegro), Prijepolje (Raška), Kragujevac (Šumadija), Novi Pazar (Raška), Bru and Aleksandrovac (Central Serbia), Čačak (Central/Western Serbia), Drvar (Eestern Bosnia), Rača (Šumadija)? Wh Croatians would migrated to east in Central Serbia, Šumadija, Kosovo and Raška when Turks came from east and why they would became Serbs?

https://lundiak.files.wordpress.com/...outh_ph908.png
03-23-2019, 06:28 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

You have Venetian sources from 1527 where is written than population of Dalmatiam hinterland from 60 000 fell on only 2000 due to Ottoman invasion.

I2-Din among Burgenland Croatians can be for Serbian minority which lived in Croatia before Ottomans. They joined to Croatian in migrations when Ottomans arrived.

How you explain that Burgenland Croatian Dobrović who is I2-PH908 (580 on tabele) https://lundiak.files.wordpress.com/...outh_ph908.png have a match with Serbs from this various places/region: Njegiši (Montenegro), Priština (Kosovo), Gacko (Easrt Herzegovina), Lovinac (Lika), Kordun, Brod (N. Bosnia), Bijelo Polje (Montenegro), Prijepolje (Raška), Kragujevac (Šumadija), Novi Pazar (Raška), Bru and Aleksandrovac (Central Serbia), Čačak (Central/Western Serbia), Drvar (Eestern Bosnia), Rača (Šumadija)? Wh Croatians would migrated to east in Central Serbia, Šumadija, Kosovo and Raška when Turks came from east and why they would became Serbs?

Everyone is Serb.
03-23-2019, 06:31 PM
Pribislav

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Everyone is Serb.

Burgenland Croatian (580) have a lot of matches with Serbs from various regions.
https://lundiak.files.wordpress.com/...outh_ph908.png
03-23-2019, 06:33 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

https://lundiak.files.wordpress.com/...outh_ph908.png

Jeste bijedni, ne želite im niti etnicitet napisati nego samo katolik. Ali to je dobro jer ce sve više Hrvata vidjeti vaše pravo velikosrpsko lice.
03-23-2019, 06:33 PM
Insuperable

https://i.postimg.cc/8kYbxjFG/ancient-aliens.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHoJgawwqXI
03-23-2019, 06:34 PM
Papastratosels26

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Mortimer is Gypsy, regardless his paternal great-grandfather was probably Serb (he married Gypsy woman). Afro-Americans have 1/3 European paternal lines, because white masters often fucked black women. Afro-Americans with European paternal lines are still niggers.

Fyrom is full of Gypsies idiot.
Fyromanians are southern genetically, shorter and darker than Serbs. They are distant from Serbs, ask *****!

In Greece we call them giftoskopianous.
03-23-2019, 06:37 PM
Pribislav

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Jeste bijedni, ne želite im niti etnicitet napisati nego samo katolik. Ali to je dobro jer ce sve više Hrvata vidjeti vaše pravo velikosrpsko lice.

Naravno da je Gradišćanski Hrvat , a možda se on izjašnjava kao Austrijanac ne znam... To da je katolik je sigurno.

Mene zanima kako Gradišćanski Hrvat ima silna poklapanja sa Srbima i to čak sa Srbima iz Raške, centralne Srbije, iz Šumadije sa Kosova itd. Možeš li da odgovoriš na ovo pitanje?
03-23-2019, 06:38 PM
HungryLion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

There is million times more evidence of White Croatia and that is why several scientists think White Serbia was invented by Porfirogenet to copy arrival of White Croats to Adriatic story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Croatia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Croats

I don't claim your people because we don't care about Serbs. Just fuck off and leave us alone, be proud Serbs and stop claiming other people and their history.

Yeah, still nah...Only one who made "intervention" in history is Croats and Catholic Church, when I just remamber red Croatia Lol...Anyway I really do not care about you nation, until you people do not try again something against Serb in Bosnia.
Otherwise, I do not care..
03-23-2019, 06:47 PM
Pubiczar

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Originally Posted by PAPASTRATOSELS26

In Greece we call them giftoskopianous.

The only Gypsy here is you...
How does it feel knowing the fact that your ancestors weren't Greeks but hellenized Slavs?
How does it feel looking yourself every morning in the mirror and realizing that you don't look much like a Greek?
How does it feel knowing the fact that your ancestors were beaten and f..... in the arse to the point of becoming Greeks?
Ha GypoSlav?
03-23-2019, 06:49 PM
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Naravno da je Gradišćanski Hrvat , a možda se on izjašnjava kao Austrijanac ne znam... To da je katolik je sigurno.

Mene zanima kako Gradišćanski Hrvat ima silna poklapanja sa Srbima i to čak sa Srbima iz Raške, centralne Srbije, iz Šumadije sa Kosova itd. Možeš li da odgovoriš na ovo pitanje?

Da, javi se kada se testira barem 10000 Hrvata, Bošnjaka, Slovenaca, Rumunja, Mađara, Bugara, Albanaca i Makedonaca pa cemo onda vidjeti tko od koga potječe.
Vi manipulirate genetikom jer imate ogroman broj testiranih pa možete onda prodavati svakakve gluposti.

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