And why was renamed Romanian Oltenia? Because it’s based on Gorj samples, isn’t? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
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And why was renamed Romanian Oltenia? Because it’s based on Gorj samples, isn’t? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
That was what I thought which is why I asked it to be renamed. But it may not be based on Gorj after all. The only way to confirm is to calculate an average for the Gorj samples and see if it's the same as the one here.Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
Croat_Split,26.60,31.52,16.57,7.89,13.14,1.59,0.44 ,0.22,0.52,0.51,0.59,0.24,0.14
Split Croats, academic
with that sample which was a big outlier in k15 added:
Croat2_Split,25.95,31.39,16.33,8.23,13.73,1.64,0.3 9,0.35,0.52,0.56,0.56,0.22,0.13
in k13 he is not such a big outlier
Split it’s in south Croatia, i think it’s better to put it in the South_Croatian_Slavic_Cluster.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
yes, some of the samples should be added to "Morlachs" and some to proper South CroatsQuote:
Originally Posted by andre
For K 13
Crimean_Tatar,13.17,20.04,7.55, 16.36,8.88,1.83,3.23,10.25,16.40,1.28,0.47,0.27,0. 21
Nusayri,5.95,1.56,13.93,24.33,39.43,9.69,1.82,0.42 ,0.76,0.21,0.35,1.28,0.23
Georgian_imereti,2.27,2.24,11.58,54.44,23.83,1.88, 2.24,0.27,0.06,0,0.89,0.01,0.25
Here are some of my avearges for K15:
Code:Bavarian,28.38,26.11,11.62,8.33,11.51,6.15,6.01,0.76,0.10,0.21,0.10,0.23,0.30,0.13,0.05
Albanian-Kosovo,14.93,15.66,11.94,6.23,18.27,10.32,19.43,2.54,0.09,0.30,0.04,0.04,0.21,0.00,0.00
Albanian-Macedonia,11.79,17.19,12.38,6.66,16.85,10.32,20.82,3.28,0.04,0.38,0.11,0.03,0.17,0.00,0.00
Albanian-North,14.45,14.29,11.27,5.18,18.11,11.91,21.57,2.68,0.00,0.03,0.05,0.15,0.24,0.07,0.00
Albanian-South,13.63,14.55,9.85,5.47,17.69,11.03,23.38,3.51,0.00,0.25,0.09,0.34,0.16,0.00,0.04
Austria-Burgenland,27.63,20.42,15.58,12.08,9.89,5.91,5.45,0.69,0.63,0.01,0.05,0.86,0.34,0.27,0.19
Austria-Tyrol,25.37,22.36,10.49,8.78,13.81,8.06,8.11,1.89,0.10,0.17,0.28,0.28,0.16,0.10,0.06
Belgium,32.68,27.36,9.52,7.25,10.65,5.06,5.22,0.60,0.64,0.07,0.13,0.11,0.22,0.32,0.15
Bosniak,16.68,16.19,21.25,13.20,11.12,8.39,10.75,1.07,0.59,0.29,0.09,0.19,0.08,0.08,0.05
Bulgarian_Thracian,7.44,15.78,16.37,6.07,14.41,11.92,22.38,2.27,2.17,0.67,0.28,0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00
Bulgarian,14.40,14.28,16.61,9.81,13.50,10.73,17.01,2.37,0.23,0.09,0.19,0.39,0.32,0.06,0.01
Italy_Emiliaromagna,17.94,19.13,7.04,3.17,20.08,8.91,19.65,3.29,0.03,0.12,0.00,0.04,0.29,0.15,0.02
Italy_Friuli,19.00,21.50,10.42,6.03,17.50,7.38,14.76,2.41,0.28,0.15,0.02,0.34,0.06,0.13,0.00
Italy_Lazio,15.18,17.36,7.06,2.43,19.99,9.92,23.83,3.74,0.07,0.14,0.03,0.10,0.03,0.05,0.09
Italy_Liguria,18.23,21.71,6.84,3.24,20.21,7.98,17.82,3.03,0.11,0.17,0.07,0.23,0.24,0.03,0.08
Italy_Lombardy,21.50,22.45,6.34,2.73,20.71,6.38,16.91,2.27,0.11,0.21,0.08,0.06,0.16,0.07,0.00
Italy_Marche,15.34,17.26,5.97,2.22,19.56,11.73,22.54,4.32,0.21,0.10,0.00,0.37,0.10,0.27,0.07
Italy_Tuscany,17.25,20.05,6.52,2.79,20.41,9.07,19.20,3.54,0.57,0.25,0.02,0.06,0.14,0.08,0.02
Italy_Veneto,21.07,21.37,8.50,5.45,18.65,7.15,14.69,2.42,0.14,0.18,0.05,0.08,0.15,0.09,0.00
France_Corsica,13.78,21.54,5.02,1.26,24.13,8.14,22.27,3.14,0.01,0.27,0.07,0.04,0.26,0.06,0.01
Czech,23.49,20.03,22.22,13.99,9.20,4.59,3.88,1.05,0.53,0.08,0.09,0.37,0.20,0.11,0.14
Danish,39.23,25.55,13.14,10.31,5.77,2.83,0.81,0.31,0.76,0.18,0.01,0.59,0.17,0.18,0.14
Dutch,36.81,27.02,10.81,9.42,8.04,3.92,1.47,0.72,0.83,0.03,0.16,0.24,0.17,0.31,0.05
England,36.15,29.24,10.14,8.74,9.22,3.96,0.75,0.23,0.66,0.07,0.04,0.35,0.24,0.05,0.16
France-South,24.81,28.86,7.83,4.15,20.13,2.81,8.79,1.30,0.44,0.08,0.09,0.39,0.13,0.09,0.07
Gagauz,13.85,12.01,15.31,9.84,13.82,12.36,18.58,2.86,0.29,0.13,0.19,0.24,0.47,0.04,0.00
Greek_Crete,8.69,10.84,7.57,3.47,16.52,16.62,30.27,4.78,0.01,0.10,0.18,0.14,0.51,0.24,0.06
Macedonian,14.32,14.52,13.71,9.18,15.61,10.30,18.71,2.88,0.09,0.17,0.05,0.18,0.26,0.02,0.00
Italy_Aostavalley,26.62,25.03,7.48,4.39,17.71,6.75,9.38,1.80,0.00,0.02,0.17,0.19,0.14,0.15,0.16
Italy_Piedmont,21.38,25.13,7.86,4.01,19.32,6.70,12.69,2.19,0.11,0.01,0.06,0.12,0.24,0.13,0.03
Italy_Trentino,21.92,21.72,11.28,5.55,18.46,5.83,13.09,1.32,0.00,0.03,0.11,0.16,0.47,0.06,0.00
Norway,39.19,23.96,13.30,11.79,6.40,2.39,0.24,0.07,0.47,0.05,1.08,0.58,0.25,0.17,0.06
Romania_Ne,16.39,15.98,19.22,12.75,10.65,9.33,11.62,1.95,0.04,0.36,1.26,0.07,0.08,0.25,0.04
Romania_Nw,17.07,15.18,18.02,13.43,12.11,7.48,12.84,1.27,0.27,0.46,1.21,0.31,0.34,0.02,0.00
Romania_Se,17.84,12.38,15.14,11.64,15.21,7.88,14.22,2.06,1.27,0.21,1.00,0.64,0.29,0.23,0.00
Romania_South,16.57,13.97,16.17,8.97,13.72,11.44,15.14,2.36,0.15,0.55,0.25,0.54,0.16,0.00,0.05
Romania_Sw,16.69,14.59,17.91,8.98,13.57,9.89,14.00,2.04,0.58,0.00,1.08,0.29,0.40,0.00,0.00
Scotland,37.96,28.39,9.51,10.04,7.46,3.26,1.28,0.26,0.76,0.03,0.19,0.48,0.13,0.03,0.25
South_Serbian,17.53,16.17,15.54,11.30,13.19,10.26,13.26,1.49,0.07,0.04,0.04,0.42,0.28,0.10,0.29
Slovak,24.13,15.37,23.26,17.25,8.47,3.93,3.58,1.55,0.70,0.00,0.26,0.42,0.33,0.43,0.05
Slovenian,21.68,18.51,20.42,14.29,10.90,5.88,6.34,0.99,0.29,0.09,0.11,0.18,0.15,0.11,0.03
Italy_Abruzzo,11.25,15.03,6.36,2.91,16.39,15.65,26.38,5.48,0.00,0.08,0.00,0.00,0.23,0.17,0.07
Italy_Apulia,9.50,14.93,6.66,2.94,17.44,14.90,27.24,4.99,0.03,0.05,0.00,0.18,0.58,0.55,0.01
Italy_Calabria,8.07,12.92,4.55,1.98,17.48,15.12,31.66,6.46,0.13,0.11,0.04,0.09,0.36,0.97,0.07
Italy_Campania,8.83,15.10,5.33,2.06,18.31,14.96,29.68,5.57,0.12,0.14,0.04,0.06,0.13,0.56,0.08
Italy_Central_Sicily,8.94,14.64,4.78,1.31,17.60,14.12,29.14,6.68,0.05,0.15,0.03,0.14,0.20,1.84,0.36
Italy_East_Sicily,8.07,12.81,4.41,1.82,18.07,15.44,30.59,6.26,0.22,0.18,0.13,0.07,0.23,1.20,0.48
Italy_West_Sicily,9.37,13.38,4.79,1.71,18.12,13.93,30.01,5.89,0.32,0.25,0.05,0.16,0.21,0.98,0.85
North_Swedish,37.45,23.37,14.64,13.68,6.12,1.22,0.23,0.11,0.75,0.18,0.91,0.78,0.43,0.02,0.11
Aland_Sweden,32.07,22.77,18.94,17.59,4.27,0.00,0.03,0.00,1.25,0.04,1.91,0.78,0.34,0.00,0.00
Swedish,38.75,24.05,14.44,11.79,5.64,2.45,0.29,0.27,0.74,0.11,0.43,0.55,0.29,0.08,0.11
Ukraine_East,18.08,13.38,31.97,22.31,6.69,2.68,1.10,0.14,1.86,0.29,0.40,0.42,0.36,0.20,0.12
@Ph2ter, nice!
Eurogenes K13:
Bandari,1.22,5.00,1.58,39.40,17.21,4.19,19.92,0.00 ,0.19,1.09,0.71,2.73,6.66
Iran_Centraleast,3.29,4.79,3.67,39.54,25.33,5.16,1 5.06,0.17,1.02,0.62,0.51,0.37,1.89
Yagnobi,9.72,17.37,1.77,39.98,10.25,1.18,12.38,0.8 0,3.81,1.72,0.00,1.27,0.34
Parsi_India,1.23,2.54,5.08,34.92,22.35,5.58,26.09, 0.25,0.23,0.35,0.13,0.67,0.35
ALL today's updates addded for K13, K15 and Eutest.
Thank you all.
This is really substantial update:) !Quote:
Originally Posted by ph2ter
Romanian_Gorj,25.62,23.57,18.72,9.22,17.21,1.49,1. 41,1.28,0.58,0.01,0.32,0.39,0.19Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
@Lukasz Now it would be best to revert Romania_Oltenia's name back to regular "Romania" since we have an actual Romanian Oltenia sample (Romanian_Gorj posted above).
Can you post the Albanian averages for K13/15 in normal format? I would like to save them for future reference as that ethnic group is largely absent in spreadsheets except one or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by ph2ter
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What about Romanian Muntenia? What counties is the Romanian Muntenian average based off of?Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
Eurogenes K13
Turkmen_Iran,5.34,7.07,3.13,37.09,16.37,2.33,11.33 ,5.70,9.32,1.06,0.50,0.47,0.35
When will you remove Croat-like Bosnian_Serb average, how many times I need to repeat?
I see you had no problem to remove Romanian-like Serb average, now be so kind and do the same thing for Bosnian Serb which is much closer to Croats than to Serbs.
It's fucking up calculator for Croats. Get rid of it already.
Only after Bosnian Serbs which you added will be removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemgrant
does anyone get such a big score of any component on K13 updated as Suceava_County-1 sample? (he gets up to 49.6% Ukrainian with nothing removed from source - interesting to get 1 component of 267 at this share)
Spoiler!
Unfortunately for you, it's Serbs who cluster in Central Balkans, between Croats/Bosnians and Romanians/Bulgarians, not the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProudBrit
And this quote comes from academic study of western Balkans, unlike your fantasies.Quote:
According to a 2014 autosomal analysis of Western Balkan, the Croatian population shows genetic uniformity with other South Slavic populations. The Croatians and Bosnians were more close to East European populations and largely overlapped with Hungarians from Central Europe. In the 2015 analysis, they formed a western South Slavic cluster with the Bosnians and Slovenians in comparison to eastern cluster formed by Macedonians and Bulgarians with Serbians in the middle. The western cluster has an inclination toward Hungarians, Czechs, and Slovaks, while the eastern cluster toward Romanians and some extent Greeks
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4141785/
dose your father get Croat_Split as No 1 now? i think it's pretty similar to himQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
it is academic samples, why should it be removed? they will not be removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Yes. And it makes sense because 50% of his ancestry is from Split-Dalmatia county.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
https://i.imgur.com/ugIbpZb.png
You have problems with intelligence? Serbian academic average was already removed, because it is too Romanian-like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemgrant
This average made of 4 people from northern Bosnia needs to be removed as well. It's Croat like and Serbs don't score it.
Yes it will be removed.
for EUtest ver.1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Code:Karitiana_Brazil,0,18.67,0,0,0,0,0,0,11.27,0,26.28,43.78,0
Pima_Native_American,0,22.34,0,0,0,0,0,0,10.18,0,21.75,45.55,0.17
Romani_1,4.76,7.34,9.29,6.16,10,16.64,13.16,7.01,24.27,0,1.08,0,0.3
Latvian_1,40.185,25.92,16.835,12.915,3.045,0.25,0.82,0,0,0,0,0.025,0
Moroccan_Jew,0,3.47,7.43,9.16,18.83,30.8,9.17,18.3,0,1.58,0,0,1.26
Code:Population,SOUTH_BALTIC,EAST_EURO,NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO,ATLANTIC,WEST_MED,EAST_MED,WEST_ASIAN,MIDDLE_EASTERN,SOUTH_ASIAN,EAST_AFRICAN,EAST_ASIAN,SIBERIAN,WEST_AFRICAN
My father results without Bosnian Serbs (I will from now on delete them from reference data)
https://i.imgur.com/39BjPlF.png
Not that I care much about this tool but here is my father's MDLP K23b
Distance to: Dad
2.81780056 Russian-West
3.20206184 Belarusian-East
3.28240765 Russian-North-West
3.30342247 Russian_South
3.72048384 Belarusian_West
3.73765970 Ukrainian_East
4.08066171 Sorb
4.09450852 Don_cossack
4.28672369 Ukrainian
4.30903702 Russian_North
4.42098405 Ukrainian_Center
4.80004167 Russian_Meshtchyora
4.83626922 Kashub
5.50746766 Russian-Upper-Volga
6.54197982 Pole
6.99778536 Mordovian
7.01084874 Belarusian_South
7.12734874 Balt
7.14537613 Ukrainian_West
7.32196695 Belarusian
8.24581106 Russian_Center
8.52157262 Erzya
8.84841229 Russian_Vologda
8.98704067 Slovak
9.00239968 Belarusian_Russian
Target: Dad
Distance: 1.0661% / 1.06610812
62.0 Latvian
15.6 Kashub
13.4 Frisian
6.8 Georgian_Svan
1.0 Lithuanian
0.4 Ami_Taiwan
0.4 Dai
0.4 Eskimo_Chaplin
Will do my mom's too.
Serbs like Ford (Serb from Bosnia) and Dusan are the closest to this average Serbian_Bosnia in EUtest ver.1. Deal with it. It will not be removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Its the second time i have to repeat myself: its all context dependent. If you're trying to parrot me at least have some logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Genetics are not enough to prove assimilation, because we can model every euro ethnicity using others, it needs to be paired with other things like language, names, traditions...
Your southern croats speak serbian, unlike slovenians and those 50%+ EE slovenized croats.
And from a historical point of view its hilarious to just think Romania and Serbia came from a fake, with no history and recent country like Croatia, with the north plotting with slovenians/czechs and south with bosnians or slightly more north, not to mention stolen cities from italians and serbs.
You would be typical serbian in genetics had it not been for your german and slovenian mixture(like your cetnik dad according to Vahaduo :lol00002: ), so I'd keep my head down if I were in your place.
No, Dušan isn't closest to it and Ford is closer to Croats than to Serbs. It will be removed, I already messaged Lucas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemgrant
He had no problem to remove academic Serb samples which contain much more people than your pathetic average.
Fuck off from South Slavic genetics orthodox Mongrel, it's none of your business.
If a race did not exist until 1918, 1947, 1990, 2000s, etc this is not a race, so why is the calculator using I don't understand. K13 is poor calculator update or not, the foundation is shit
in EUtest ver.1 they get it as number 1, not in k13. See previous pages for results. You are a troll anyway, I don't take you seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Ofcourse Serbia doesn't come from Croatia, it has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProudBrit
My father plot like typical Croat everywhere, and he has nothing to do with Serbs neither he can pass for one.
I just told him about this and he laughed. He told me how is he close to them when they look like Vlachs and nothing like Croats.
I said dad, only to Bosnian Serbs.
He said ofcourse, they are orthodox Croats forced to eastern religion during Ottoman occupation of Catholic Bosnia.
I don't care for that test. In K13 they need to be removed. Or they can be renamed to Orthodox_Croat_BihQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemgrant
Lots of drama here. The problem is that averages were made from small groups of people. Romanians have 5-6 averages, croatians 4, bosnians 3, etc. What is the point in having so many regional averages? What is Bosnian and Bosniak from k13 and k15 respectively?
The Ottoman conquest of the Kingdom of Bosnia in 1463 led to drastic changes in the confessional structure of Bosnia and Herzegovina, with Islam taking root and Orthodox Christianity spreading into Bosnia. Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror vowed to protect Orthodox Christianity and, like all Orthodox churches, the Serbian Orthodox Church enjoyed great support of the Ottoman state. The Ottomans introduced a sizeable Orthodox Christian population into Bosnia proper, including Vlachs from the eastern Balkans. The conversion of the adherents of the Bosnian Church also aided the spread of Eastern Orthodoxy. Later, areas abandoned by Catholics during the Ottoman–Habsburg wars were settled with Muslims and Orthodox Christians.The Ottoman regime consistently favored the Orthodox Church over the Catholic and encouraged conversions of Catholics to Orthodoxy due to political expediency: while the entire Orthodox hierarchy was subjected to the sultan, the Catholics were suspected of conspiring with their brethren outside the Ottoman Empire.
While Bosnian Catholics were only allowed to repair existing sacral objects, a large scale construction of Orthodox monasteries and churches throughout Bosnia started in the northwest in 1515.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter...nd_Herzegovina
Distance to: MomQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
5.77298017 Russian-Upper-Volga
6.20587625 Erzya
6.91616946 Russian-North
6.99197397 Russian_Vologda
7.06806197 Russian_Meshtchyora
7.31379518 Finnish_FIN
7.50860839 Finnish-East
7.51081221 Russian-Ural
7.51674797 Finn_East
7.77401441 Russian_North
8.01592789 Mordovian
8.15341033 Russian-West
8.72650560 Finn
8.93351555 Russian_South
8.95936940 Moksha
9.02956810 Belarusian-East
9.09478422 Russian-North-West
9.79992857 Ukrainian_Center
10.11438579 Finn_West
10.18150775 Belarusian_West
10.36615647 Ukrainian_East
10.56621503 Ukrainian_West
10.65387723 Ukrainian
10.85980202 Sorb
10.91351914 Karelian
Target: Mom
Distance: 2.4112% / 2.41124482
43.8 Pole
24.8 Estonian
9.4 Udmurd
9.0 Finnish_FIN
5.2 Khant
2.6 BedouinB
2.2 Greek_Phokaia
1.4 Swede
1.2 Eskimo_Naukan
0.4 Sardinian
maybe it should be merged with the academic Belgrade sample? the Bosnian Serb samples are typical north-shifted Serbs which are missing from the Belgrade sample, maybe it would work well together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemgrant
here it is:
Serb_academic,24.84,28.98,16.81,8.79,16.32,1.55,0. 47,0.42,0.70,0.48,0.51,0.10,0.03
you have EUtest result in your signature, and you had written "Trollina" in your ethnicity or meta-ethnicity some time ago. You think I should take your insults seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
https://i.imgur.com/QFX5A1F.png