Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

Anyway, here are results of my father's match Coric

Distance to: Coric_Siroki_Brijeg

8.93676675 Moldavian
9.21866042 Croat_Zagreb
9.40735351 Kaykavian_Croatian
9.65406650 Moldova_North
9.68345048 Slovenian
10.11468734 HungarianTA
10.35445315 Hungarian_New
10.46291546 Szekely_Hungarian
10.63320654 Croat_Bosnia
10.74771551 Slovak

Target: Coric_Siroki_Brijeg
Distance: 2.1513% / 2.15128656

48.8 Latvian
24.2 French_Basque
22.8 Ossetian
2.6 Serb_North-Macedonia
0.8 Balochi
0.8 Sardinian

Target: Coric_Siroki_Brijeg
Distance: 4.3212% / 4.32117447 | ADC: 0.25x

53.8 Ukrainian_Lviv
17.2 Romanian_Oltenia
13.0 Serb_North-Macedonia
11.6 Welsh
4.4 Ossetian

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Yes, and your branch of Ćorić was founded by Croat who seem to married some Serb.

ĆORIĆI

(in Zabljak)

Jerko Coric came from Mostar in the 1930s to Zabljak, where he worked as a master craftsman

No Serb is called Jerko, LOL! Jerko is a hard core Croat Catholic name.

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Are you retarded? I posted in previous post list of Banija Serb surnames from Banija Online site (site of Banija Serbs), and Rogulja and Ćorić are among them.

Serbs also had some blind (ćorave) ancestors. That surname was formed in various regions and times from many different blind people.

According to you I am Croatian and not Serb, because my surname exist among Šokci from Našice. :picard1:

Is Mortimer a Croat too?

https://actacroatica.com/hr/surname/Plemi%C4%87/

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Are you retarded? I posted in previous post list of Banija Serb surnames from Banija Online site (site of Banija Serbs), and Rogulja and Ćorić are among them.

Serbs only had some blind (ćorav) ancestors. That surname was formed in various region and times from many different blind people.

According to you I am Croatian and not Serb, because my surname exist among Šokci from Našice. :picard1:

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Which part you don't understand?

Jerko is name that has nothing to do with Serbs, and it says orthodox Ćorići were founded by Jerko from Mostar, who was obviously a Croat and Catholic.
My own great-grand father from Hvar carried this name.

No big deal, you should deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Which part you don't understand?

Jerko is name that has nothing to do with Serbs, and it says orthodox Ćorići were founded by Jerko from Mostar, who was obviously a Croat and Catholic.
My own great-grand father from Hvar carried this name.

No big deal, you should deal with it.

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Orthodox Ćorići orinated from some blind ancestor, same as Catholic and Muslim Ćorići. Are they related I don't know without their y dna results. I bealive Ćorići among Serbs, Muslims/Bosniaks and Croatians carry various haplogroups, and not even all of same ethnicity/religion are connected to each other.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Orthodox Ćorići orinated from some blind ancestor, same as Catholic and Muslim Ćorići. Are they related I don't know without their y dna results. I bealive Ćorići among Serbs, Muslims/Bosniaks and Croatians carry various haplogroups, and not even all of same ethnicity/religion are connected to each other.

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I quoted Serb poreklo site which says what I stated. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Is Mortimer a Croat too?

https://actacroatica.com/hr/surname/Plemi%C4%87/

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Surname which doesn't exist outside Karlovac, so most likely some foreigner who assimilated trough time. It's not a Gypsy surname in any case.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

I quoted Serb poreklo site which says what I stated. Deal with it.

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Who cares even if paternal ancestor of Orthodox Ćorići from Banija was Bunjevac 200 or 300 years ago? Today they are Orthodoxes and Serbs, deal with it!

Šimići from my native village once were Catholics and Bunjevci, but they converted on Orthodoxy in late 18th or early 19th century and mixed with other Orthodox Serbs. They celebrate Sveti Nikola.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Who cares even if paternal ancestor of Orthodox Ćorići from Banija was Bunjevac 200 or 300 years ago? Today they are Orthodoxes and Serbs, deal with it!

Šimići from my native village once were Catholics and Bunjevci, but they converted on Orthodoxy in late 18th or early 19th century and mixed with other Orthodox Serbs. They celebrate Sveti Nikola.

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No problem Pribi, identity is most important thing. But we need to realise dinaric Slavs have common origins in many cases.
I don't like this fact, but it's a fact and I came to realize this in last few months.

Before I didn't think it was the case. But let's keep this thread ontopic, which is Moldovans.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Are you retarded? I posted in previous post list of Banija Serb surnames from Banija Online site (site of Banija Serbs), and Rogulja and Ćorić are among them.

Serbs also had some blind (ćorave) ancestors. That surname was formed in various regions and times from many different blind people.

According to you I am Croatian and not Serb, because my surname exist among Šokci from Našice. :picard1:

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There is even a similar variant of the surname, Ćorović. The most distinguished bearer of that surname by far was Vladimir Ćorović, renowned Serbian historian, also from Herzegovina.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

No problem Pribi, identity is most important thing. But we need to realise dinaric Slavs have common origins in many cases.
I don't like this fact, but it's a fact and I came to realize this in last few months.

Before I didn't think it was the case. But let's keep this thread ontopic, which is Moldovans.

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If you want you can open thread about history of ethnic/religious relations, conversion and so on in Dinaric region... I agree, this thread is for Moldavian genetic.

This thread is being devoured by the great Yugoslav Autosomal war.

Also I agree that Serbs look different than Romanians on averge - there is a strong overlap but as a group they look different. Taller with longer DInarid faces which are not common in Moldova. I don't agree that they are lighter on average.

Overall it seems that Moldova is like this:

South - Gagauzia = Montenegro like

Central - Montenegro-Serbia mix like

North - Serbia like, bordering on Croatian sometimes

All of this with an added bonus of Asian/Siberian input.

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Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

This thread is being devoured by the great Yugoslav Autosomal war.

Also I agree that Serbs look different than Romanians on averge - there is a strong overlap but as a group they look different. Taller with longer DInarid faces which are not common in Moldova. I don't agree that they are lighter on average.

Overall it seems that Moldova is like this:

South - Gagauzia = Montenegro like

Central - Montenegro-Serbia mix like

North - Serbia like, bordering on Croatian sometimes

All of this with an added bonus of Asian/Siberian input.

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Nice.

Sorry for this off topic.

I like both Moldavian and Romanian people very much. I just wondered if that Gedmatch mixed oracle result of me being +90% Moldavian correct.
And indeed it is. We overlap by autosomal genetics a lot.

I don't understand why Ion has problem with Serbian average value. I respect all his analisis about Moldavian and Romanian populations.

Green - Central and North areas.
Red - South.

The most southest person on this map is still unknown, if he is Moldavian, or is something else.

https://sun9-69.userapi.com/c858420/...H3XKpOP2xg.jpg

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Green - Central and North areas.
Red - South.

The most southest person on this map is still unknown, if he is Moldavian, or is something else.

https://sun9-69.userapi.com/c858420/...H3XKpOP2xg.jpg

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Gura-Galbenei guy is from Centre though.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Gura-Galbenei guy is from Centre though.

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Is part of the South, Cimișlia district.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Is part of the South, Cimișlia district.

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Yeah, but 30km from Chisinau. In my K13 averages he's counted in Centre.

What percent of the population live in the North, Center and South of the Republic respectively? I guess Chisinau is mixed like any other capital city.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Nice.

Sorry for this off topic.

I like both Moldavian and Romanian people very much. I just wondered if that Gedmatch mixed oracle result of me being +90% Moldavian correct.
And indeed it is. We overlap by autosomal genetics a lot.

I don't understand why Ion has problem with Serbian average value. I respect all his analisis about Moldavian and Romanian populations.

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I just questioned the authenticity of those averages, considering all the differing signals that I was getting from commercial tests and academic samples.

I have every right in the world to critique and to have an opinion.

You guys just took it very defensively. At some point even tried to bring phenotypes in as a justification for that, which is absolutely laughable.
People in R. Moldova are at least 10 times lighter on average and some score very similarly with the Serbs.

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Originally Posted by Leto

What percent of the population live in the North, Center and South of the Republic respectively? I guess Chisinau is mixed like any other capital city.

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Is mixed, exist people from every corner of the country and every corner of Soviet Union.

Double post.

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Originally Posted by Leto

What percent of the population live in the North, Center and South of the Republic respectively? I guess Chisinau is mixed like any other capital city.

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Chisinau is obviously mixed with people from all over the country, plus historic and new minorities.

I'd guess like 35% North, 45% Centre and 20% South maybe.
The North seems to be the region with the highest rate of old people and lowest fertility.
Or maybe the fertility is like everywhere else, but working age people just migrate either to Chisinau or abroad more than in other regions.

https://recensamant.statistica.md/im...alitati_A3.jpg

https://recensamant.statistica.md/im..._virsta_A3.jpg

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Is mixed, exist people from every corner of the country and every corner of Soviet Union.

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According to the 2004 census it was 72% Moldovan/Romanian and in 2014 the native share increased to 79%.

Interestingly I once met a Russian girl with the surname Kalarash (I know it's not the Romanian spelling). She said she was 1/4 Moldovan, 3/4 Russian. Looked part Asian with light pigmentation.

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Originally Posted by Leto

According to the 2004 census it was 72% Moldovan/Romanian and in 2014 the native share increased to 79%.

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People just move from province into the city, in the future this city will be more and more Moldavian. Many minorities, especially from former Soviet countries, form the local Russian speaking community, since many who identify like Russians here are mixed.

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Originally Posted by Leto

According to the 2004 census it was 72% Moldovan/Romanian and in 2014 the native share increased to 79%.

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Because people get culturally assimilated and there are a lot of mixed marriages. People who are halfies will usually check Moldovan or Romanian in the census, as opposed to their other side.
My mom for example checked Romanian both in 2004 and 2014.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Interestingly I once met a Russian girl with the surname Kalarash (I know it's not the Romanian spelling). She said she was 1/4 Moldovan, 3/4 Russian. Looked part Asian with light pigmentation.

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And I saw a person on GEDmatch with the surname Chebotarev (from our Cebotari), who had Belarussians and Estonians as closest matches, at like 2 and 4 distance.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

People just move from province into the city, in the future this city will be more and more Moldavian. Plus many minorities, especially from former Soviet countries, form the local Russian speaking community, since many who identify like Russians here are mixed.

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Do you think Moldo-Slavic mixes tend to lean to Russian identity, not Moldovan?

I can tell you that in Ukraine and Belarus many people with roots in Russia proper have switched to Ukr and Bel identity respectively since 1991. Especially mixed people. But those are extremely close peoples, Moldovans are more different from them.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Do you think Moldo-Slavic mixes tend to lean to Russian identity, not Moldovan?

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Depends of the parents.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

And I saw a person on GEDmatch with the surname Chebotarev (from our Cebotari), who had Belarussians and Estonians as closest matches, at like 2 and 4 distance.

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Чеботарёв is a normal Russian surname, I knew people with that surname. At least I had no idea it may be Moldovan.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Чеботарёв is a normal Russian surname, I knew people with that surname. At least I had no idea it may be Moldovan.

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If it were normal, its root would have meant something in Russian.
It means "of the shoemaker", in case you are curious. The variant in R. Moldova just says "shoemaker".

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

If it were normal, its root would have meant something in Russian.
It means "of the shoemaker", in case you are curious. The variant in R. Moldova just says "shoemaker".

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Russian Wikipedia lists it as a Russian surname derived from "chebot"
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7...80%D1%91%D0%B2
Look at all those people, they aren't Moldovans at all.

Double

The Romanian language is full of Slavic roots, they lived under Slavic rule/influence for centuries, even before the Russians. Even the Relatinization did not purge all those words.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

If it were normal, its root would have meant something in Russian.
It means "of the shoemaker", in case you are curious. The variant in R. Moldova just says "shoemaker".

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You are partially right, but the word "Ciubota" is of East Slavic/Ukrainian origin. Correct form is "Ciubotaru", but since in RM happen Russification in the past, many such surnames were changed to be close to Ukrainian/Russian form, "Cebotaru/Cebotari".

Double post.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

You are partially right, but the word "Ciubota" is of East Slavic/Ukrainian origin. Correct form is "Ciubotaru", but since in RM happen Russification in the past, many such surnames were changed to be close to Ukrainian/Russian form, "Cebotaru/Cebotari".

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Yep, you and Leto are right on this one.

I've seen the wiki says чеботарь — сапожник. Is чеботарь a Russian archaism? Would explain the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Leto

The Romanian language is full of Slavic roots, they lived under Slavic rule/influence for centuries, even before the Russians. Even the Relatinization did not purge all those words.

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Good, now you will sleep better this night.

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Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

Yep, you and Leto are right on this one.

I've seen the wiki says чеботарь — сапожник. Is чеботарь a Russian archaism? Would explain the whole thing.

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Yes, it is either archaic or dialectal.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Good, now you will sleep better this night.

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Lol, what's wrong with that statement? It wasn't condescending, I just pointed out that it's more likely for Moldovans or Romanians to have Slavic roots than for Slavs to have Romanian ones. I don't have a particularly strong opinion on that, why should I?
Ion mentioned that surname and I simply fact-checked his claim.