My true ancestry.com

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Originally Posted by Dick

Heikka, the ancestor of all I1 men today, lived 4600 years ago. The timing coincides with the arrival of the indo-European steppe herders.

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Only problem is that almost all paternal haplogroups went through a genetic bottle neck around 5000 years ago. For that reason we have to find ancient samples to find out where did our ancestors lived and where they came from. Some random Neolithic or Mesolithic I1 samples have been found, all from Europe outside steppe.

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Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen

This is very correct. The problem is that the Finnish history research is in a big crisis. Few Finnish historians have courage today to search times before the 14th century, because all dominant theories have been based on linguistics since the 80s and linguists say that Finns came from Urals. Today Finnish linguists say that the Finns came from Urals, not only Finnic languages. The problem is that Germanic loan words in Baltic Finnic languages are too old to serve these peculiar ideas. So, if you want to be a reputable researcher in Finland you have to deny many things, including archaeological evidences, be quietly or fabricate stories, for instance how Germans hail from Volga and were pushed to Scandinavia and Germany by Finnic warriors. This is something that can work in a small linguistic area, because these clowns hold two realities, one in home land and another abroad. Bad thing is that Finnish geneticists have to follow if they want to be reputable researchers in Finland, because our universities are small and you have to ensure your career.

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In calendar dates, Finns are estimated to have mixed with an East Eurasian CDX-like population between 170BC-320AD and with a NW European GBR-like population between 1100-1380AD.

The central date of the latter estimate is 1,240AD, which corresponds quite closely to the beginning of Swedish rule and is in the middle of the 13th. century, between the time when Finland was initially claimed for western Christendom (12th c.) and the time when the conflict between Sweden and Russia was settled (14th c.).

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http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/11...ixture-in.html

Anywho here are my top matches:

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Ancient Populations (Updated)

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Saxon + Frank (4.336)
Saxon (4.393)
Viking Danish + Frank (4.5)
Viking Danish + Saxon (4.568)
Visigoth + Saxon (4.601)
Viking Danish + Visigoth (4.612)
Viking Danish (5.984)
Frank (6.819)
Visigoth (7.729)
Vandal (8.684)

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My updated ancient populations as well:

kit 1

Celt + Frank (4.869)
Viking Icelandic + Frank (5.463)
Viking Icelandic + Celt (5.788)
Celt + Saxon (5.892)
Celt (6.539)
Viking Danish + Celt (6.725)
Frank (10.13)
Viking Icelandic (10.34)
Viking Danish (10.4)
Saxon (10.79)

Kit 2

Viking Icelandic + Celt (5.376)
Celt + Frank (6.167)
Celt (6.297)
Viking Icelandic + Frank (6.305)
Viking Danish + Celt (6.609)
Viking Danish + Frank (7.404)
Viking Danish (8.925)
Frank (9.409)
Saxon (10.83)
Viking Icelandic (12.29)

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Originally Posted by War Chief

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/11...ixture-in.html

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Dienekes is a poor author in this case. All glory for him in many matters, but he has a little clue regarding the Finnish history. Simply taking into account Finnish I1, no other female or male haplogroups, we can say that D. was too straightforward and simplified his results to correspond his point of view. Finnish I1 is a son of the Scandinavian L22-CTS2208 branch and is in Finland exclusively around 2000 years old. The result is proven by FtDna's Big-Y results and Y-Full. He made also an error with Siberian-Finnish admixture timings; his conclusion was that the source was Nganasan, it might be of same ancestry, but the method he used gives same dates for all Siberian-Finnish admixtures, no matter who the Siberians are, they can be Chukchi as well. This happens because small IBD's he used tend to approximate statistic noise.

Kit 1:

Seleucid + Gaul (10.8)
Hellenic Roman + Gepid (11.87)
Seleucid + Roman (11.95)
Seleucid + Gepid (12.08)
Roman + Gepid (12.15)
Roman (15.06)
Seleucid (16.77)
Hellenic Roman (17.72)
Gaul (17.77)
Gepid (18.39)


Kit 2:

Hellenic Roman + Gepid (14.7)
Pontic + Gepid (15.64)
Seleucid + Hellenic Roman (15.83)
Seleucid + Gepid (16.06)
Seleucid + Roman (16.1)
Hellenic Roman (18.68)
Roman (18.97)
Seleucid (19.74)

My updated ancient ancestry

Roman + Kievan Rus (6.278)
Scythian + Roman (9.228)
Gaul + Kievan Rus (12.32)
Scythian + Gaul (13.67)
Thuringii + Kievan Rus (14.11)
Scythian (15.07)
Gaul (17.39)
Roman (19.32)

Who is this 5th century Gepid Goth, any info, any autosomal results?

https://i.imgur.com/Ezu8BJm.png

Gaul + Kievan Rus (9.715)
Thuringii + Kievan Rus (11.42)
Scythian + Gaul (11.69)
Gaul + Avar (11.82)
Scythian + Kievan Rus (12.28)
Scythian (12.85)
Gaul (16.24)
Avar (17.48)
Kievan Rus (18.0)
Thuringii (18.6)

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

Who is this 5th century Gepid Goth, any info, any autosomal results?

https://i.imgur.com/Ezu8BJm.png

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Gepid_Serbia_ACD:VIM_2

Balkans_IA,35.2
Nordic_IA,28.6
Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta,26.4
Han,6
Nganassan,3.8