Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

Ok, I checked again and the inconsistency seems to be with the calculator that calculates x and y axis: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I basically retried my results again just to see how accurate they are and it placed me on the same spot where Xhak Bauer and Kurt are. What we are seeing there is two sub-clusters because they were done at different times. Don't waste your time with it, Saf.

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Originally Posted by Loki

It was in the Balkans even before the arrival of Slavic speakers. It is native.

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Sorry Lokester, that's just not true. See previous details in this thread. It wasn't in Albania or Greece...maybe if by Balkans you mean Romania, its possible.

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

Ok, I checked again and the inconsistency seems to be with the calculator that calculates x and y axis: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I basically retried my results again just to see how accurate they are and it placed me on the same spot where Xhak Bauer and Kurt are. What we are seeing there is two sub-clusters because they were done at different times. Don't waste your time with it, Saf.

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Ok, now it makes sense :D

Guess I am inside the Albo-clusterclub afterall :D

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

Sorry Lokester, that's just not true. See previous details in this thread. It wasn't in Albania or Greece...maybe if by Balkans you mean Romania, its possible.

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What concrete proof do you have?

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Originally Posted by Loki

What concrete proof do you have?

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Apparently the theory is this; The I2a1b-L621 subclade seems to correlate with the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...utline_Map.png

These people were "Indo-Europeanized" like most European cultures dating from that period. Most admins from ftdna will not say that a certain subclade belongs to a certain meta-ethnicity but to a culture. Maybe due to PCness or whatever although one can construct other explanations, involving later migrations, etc. such as the Slavic migrations to the Balkans for this specific subclade. For example, when I did the Big Y I was told by ftdna admins that my subclade belonged to the Jasdorf culture, not a specific meta-ethnicity. Constructing other explanations regarding meta-ethnicities etc happens more on forums like this one or anthrogenica etc.

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Originally Posted by Loki

What concrete proof do you have?

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Here is the proof, and all one needs to see: a Polak, Lithuanian, Ukranian, Greek and a Serbian sharing TMRCA 2200ybp: https://yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10228/

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

Ok, now it makes sense :D

Guess I am inside the Albo-clusterclub afterall :D

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You're normal after all :D

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

You're normal after all :D

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelUZruMw-s

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

Here is the proof, and all one needs to see: a Polak, Lithuanian, Ukranian, Greek and a Serbian sharing TMRCA 2200ybp: https://yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10228/

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Single individuals sharing Y-DNA doesn't mean anything. I am E-V13 and it doesn't make me an Albanian.

There is zero evidence that I2 was brought by Slavic-speakers to the Balkans... only wannabe smart-asses who try to sell their opinions off as facts. Don't believe them.

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Originally Posted by Dick

Apparently the theory is this; The I2a1b-L621 subclade seems to correlate with the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...utline_Map.png

These people were "Indo-Europeanized" like most European cultures dating from that period. Most admins from ftdna will not say that a certain subclade belongs to a certain meta-ethnicity but to a culture. Maybe due to PCness or whatever although one can construct other explanations, involving later migrations, etc. such as the Slavic migrations to the Balkans for this specific subclade. For example, when I did the Big Y I was told by ftdna admins that my subclade belonged to the Jasdorf culture, not a specific meta-ethnicity. Constructing other explanations regarding meta-ethnicities etc happens more on forums like this one or anthrogenica etc.

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Looks more like Sarmato-Scythians then.