Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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03-03-2017, 12:57 AM
Wrong

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Originally Posted by Loki

Single individuals sharing Y-DNA doesn't mean anything. I am E-V13 and it doesn't make me an Albanian.

There is zero evidence that I2 was brought by Slavic-speakers to the Balkans... only wannabe smart-asses who try to sell their opinions off as facts. Don't believe them.

All the proof is there in the link, I checked it.

There is no diversity in "I2-din" clades of the Balkans, it expanded in the area recently thanks to the founder effect.
03-03-2017, 02:34 AM
Dema

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Originally Posted by Loki

Single individuals sharing Y-DNA doesn't mean anything. I am E-V13 and it doesn't make me an Albanian.

There is zero evidence that I2 was brought by Slavic-speakers to the Balkans... only wannabe smart-asses who try to sell their opinions off as facts. Don't believe them.

What Skerdi told you is correct Loki. It has been calculated that all people bearing I2a1b M423 known as Dinaric come out of a single man who lived only 2200 years ago. And countries over the Carpathian mountains like Poland have more variations then Balkan does. So this is strongest proof that it has come with Slavs. Even tho there are some smaller proofs also like this haplo is not found West of Rhine river where Slavs have not intruded.

formed 5300 ybp, TMRCA 2200 ybp

So yes, it has come with Slavs. And even Serbs and everybody actually agrees on this.
Except Laberia :D
03-03-2017, 02:37 AM
geffao

Teoricamente não 3 15
03-03-2017, 02:41 AM
Ranger0075

Interesting
03-03-2017, 02:45 AM
Laberia

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

It is not an accusation or something, I have said similar things about Greeks. I am sure the ethnic symbiosis and assimilation was/is as complicated in Albania as anywhere else.

No, it's not true. We are two neighbouring countries, but not with the same story. The invasion of Greece from foreign population is documented. It's also documented the assimilation of this population and the invention of greek nation. You have to answer to my question, what happened to all this slavs in South Albania?
03-03-2017, 02:47 AM
Dick

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

Ok, I checked again and the inconsistency seems to be with the calculator that calculates x and y axis: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I basically retried my results again just to see how accurate they are and it placed me on the same spot where Xhak Bauer and Kurt are. What we are seeing there is two sub-clusters because they were done at different times. Don't waste your time with it, Saf.

It's an old calculator and a plot made by someone that didn't even invent that calculator. Petalpusher makes good calcs and plotting maps, at least he used to for TA members.
03-03-2017, 02:48 AM
Scholarios

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Originally Posted by Loki

Looks more like Sarmato-Scythians then.

Irrelevant. Sarmato-scythians didn't settle balkans in the millions, bringing their language and culture with them. Them were the Slavs who did that. i.e. Slavs brought it. So a Slavicized Sarmato-Scythian descendant who crossed the Daunbe in 670AD is the ancestor of all them I2a1b Croats, Bosnians, and Tosks.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

No, it's not true. We are two neighbouring countries, but not with the same story. The invasion of Greece from foreign population is documented. It's also documented the assimilation of this population and the invention of greek nation. You have to answer to my question, what happened to all this slavs in South Albania?

I've answered you several times. It's not my problem you swallowed the shit sandwich your national propaganda served you and has directed you to look outward instead of inward. Block-headed Balkan bastard.
03-03-2017, 02:54 AM
Laberia

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Originally Posted by Dema

What Skerdi told you is correct Loki. It has been calculated that all people bearing I2a1b M423 known as Dinaric come out of a single man who lived only 2200 years ago. And countries over the Carpathian mountains like Poland have more variations then Balkan does. So this is strongest proof that it has come with Slavs. Even tho there are some smaller proofs also like this haplo is not found West of Rhine river where Slavs have not intruded.

formed 5300 ybp, TMRCA 2200 ybp

So yes, it has come with Slavs. And even Serbs and everybody actually agrees on this.
Except Laberia :D

I don't know what is an haplogroup, do you understand? I don't know genetics. But what is nonsense is that using a sample of 104 persons and latter say that 23 of the population is of slavic origine is stupid. Do you understand this? We don't know from which part of South Albania are this people. You have to put this data now and confront with history. Genetics can not take the place of history.
03-03-2017, 03:00 AM
Laberia

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

Irrelevant. Sarmato-scythians didn't settle balkans in the millions, bringing their language and culture with them. Them were the Slavs who did that. i.e. Slavs brought it. So a Slavicized Sarmato-Scythian descendant who crossed the Daunbe in 670AD is the ancestor of all them I2a1b Croats, Bosnians, and Tosks.

I've answered you several times. It's not my problem you swallowed the shit sandwich your national propaganda served you and has directed you to look outward instead of inward. Block-headed Balkan bastard.

It's not problem of propaganda. You have this possibility to debunk this propaganda. You can not sell me as pure gold a test of 104 persons and decide later for an entire population. You can change your mirror with gold, but not with me.
03-03-2017, 03:01 AM
Scholarios

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Originally Posted by Laberia

I don't know what is an haplogroup, do you understand? I don't know genetics. But what is nonsense is that using a sample of 104 persons and latter say that 23 of the population is of slavic origine is stupid. Do you understand this? We don't know from which part of South Albania are this people. You have to put this data now and confront with history. Genetics can not take the place of history.

Poor little guy. Are you I2a1b? That's nice. It's not all bad. I imagine your great great grand-pappy looked like this Russian fella:

http://www.surrogatefinder.com/Photo...29cd1e7ea1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Laberia

It's not problem of propaganda. You have this possibility to debunk this propaganda. You can not sell me as pure gold a test of 104 persons and decide later for an entire population. You can change your mirror with gold, but not with me.

What- you think they are going to test all of albania and kosovo? shithead. Look at the Albanian family tree DNA projects. History supports the settlement of Slavs in Epirus too. Duh.

But this is good. Step 1 in your journey to being a human-being: Self Knowledge.

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