Where did haplogroup E1b1b in Europeans come from?

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Originally Posted by Nassbean

it came from both especially in the case of iberia and italy

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No doubt that is true. My bad I was talking about E-V13 specifically.

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

Here we go, my stubborn brother.

Of the 9% of E1b1 in Iberia, only 4% are M81, this, indeed, were introduced by berbers or by punics/carthagians that had a decent north african admixture.

1 sample of E-M78 in the chalcolithic is more than enough to justify the 4% of E-M78 in Iberia.

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here we go let's just pretend the stats are false and that north africans never settled in Iberia ...e1b1b are all from neolithic farmers even though none of the copper age samples had this haplogroup.

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

Here we go, my stubborn brother.

Of the 9% of E1b1 in Iberia, only 4% are M81, this, indeed, were introduced by berbers or by punics/carthagians that had a decent north african admixture.

1 sample of E-M78 in the chalcolithic is more than enough to justify the 4% of E-M78 in Iberia.

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Cantabrian Pasiegos are m81 and they have fuxkingly nothing to do with North Africans.

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Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo

Cantabrian Pasiegos are m81 and they have fuxkingly nothing to do with North Africans.

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haplogroups have nothing to do with autosomal composition. After 10 years on this site you still know nothing about genetics It tells us a lot about your mental capacities.

Most Europeans who carry E1b1b are E-V13. E-V13 probably expanded from the Balkans.

My guess is E-V13 has been in Europe since at least the Late Bronze age. But it only grew dominant in Hellenistic, Roman and post Roman medieval times.

I think even.in Southeastern Europe it will be quite rare in the Bronze or Iron age. I don't think the Myceneans or Minoans carried much if it.

E-M81 meanwhile is mostly of North African origin. Though I think Hannibal and Hastrubal's armies could have spread it a little long before Islam was invented.

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Originally Posted by Nassbean

haplogroups have nothing to do with autosomal composition. After 10 years on this site you still know nothing about genetics It tells us a lot about your mental capacities.

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You are butthurt because Pasiegos break all your brown agenda :thumb001:

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Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo

You are butthurt because Pasiegos break all your brown agenda :thumb001:

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ask any spanish member here and you'll see what it means to have e-m81 as haplogroup :thumb001:

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Originally Posted by Nassbean

ask any spanish member here and you'll see what it means to have e-m81 as haplogroup :thumb001:

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I don't need to ask, I know it perfectly. Pasiegos are m81 and for your disgrace have nothing to do with your people, they are a super isolated population and never had even contact with Muslim invasors, what invalidates your wannabe claims that haplogroup in Spain comes from you. You wish.

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Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo

I don't need to ask, I know it perfectly. Pasiegos are m81 and for your disgrace have nothing to do with your people, they are a super isolated population and never had even contact with Muslim invasors, what invalidates your wannabe claims that haplogroup in Spain comes from you. You wish.

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E-M81 (E-M183) is the most typical North-African berber marker you can get, I believe in entered into Spain through 3 periods:

- Phoenician expansion
- Roman expansion
- Muslim expansion

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Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo

I don't need to ask, I know it perfectly. Pasiegos are m81 and for your disgrace have nothing to do with your people, they are a super isolated population and never had even contact with Muslim invasors, what invalidates your wannabe claims that haplogroup in Spain comes from you. You wish.

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who says it's linked with the muslim era ? It could be even older than that many berber soldiers settled in their region during ancient times but what should I expect from you ? You don't even know your own history.