Serbian autosomal DNA #2

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Originally Posted by Leto

The North Atlantic is incredibly low, well below 20%! Which company did he test with?

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From Ancestry. Thats written on Gedmatch.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

that's where his ancestry is from, or where the surname appears?

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Villages where that surname appears.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

From Ancestry. Thats written on Gedmatch.



Villages where that surname appears.

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https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/02/16/di...ge-2/#comments

It exits in all Serbian-inhabited lands. In fact, it's actually more common in Kosovo/Southern Serbia than in Lika. But since his Baltic score is so high and he's a close match of yours, he might as well be from one of those villages you listed.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/02/16/di...ge-2/#comments

It exits in all Serbian-inhabited lands. In fact, it's actually more common in Kosovo/Southern Serbia than in Lika. But since his Baltic score is so high and he's a close match of yours, he might as well be from one of those villages you listed.

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I agree.

This person is very Slavic, despite of record low North Atlantic component.
Pre-Slavic part is probably very southern, Cypriot-like.


Your ancient K13:

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.2006% / 2.20055846
68.9 Slavic
22.4 Paleo_Balkan
8.7 Eastern_Mediterranean



Stearsolina's ancient K13:

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.3972% / 2.39719778
67.0 Slavic
33.0 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman

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Originally Posted by Dušan

I agree.

This person is very Slavic, despite of record low North Atlantic component.
Pre-Slavic part is probably very southern, Cypriot-like.


Your ancient K13:

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.2006% / 2.20055846
68.9 Slavic
22.4 Paleo_Balkan
8.7 Eastern_Mediterranean



Stearsolina's ancient K13:

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.3972% / 2.39719778
67.0 Slavic
33.0 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman

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^^^It's incorrect because Commonsense includes Myceneans in Paleo-Balkan, and Paleo-Balkan people in wider region were nothing like that genetically.
I'm probably more ancient Balkan than him in comparison, he is more Slavic and lot more Roman.

This person has actually rather low Illyrian-Thracian ancestry. He's very Slavic and very East Med.

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Originally Posted by Leto

The North Atlantic is incredibly low, well below 20%! Which company did he test with?

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Similar like user Knez, he also has higher west med and low NA + high Baltic, but in his case it's explained by south Italian ancestry. Maybe people like this are more common than we think.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

^^^It's incorrect because Commonsense includes Myceneans in Paleo-Balkan, and Paleo-Balkan people in wider region were nothing like that genetically.
I'm probably more ancient Balkan than him in comparison, he is more Slavic and lot more Roman.

This person has actually rather low Illyrian-Thracian ancestry. He's very Slavic and very East Med.

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Pre-Slavic part is very Roman indeed, vbnethios calculator:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6944010

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.3436% / 2.34355843
65.0 Slavic
31.5 Roman
3.5 Iron_age_Balkan

has the most med shifted pre-Slavic part compared to 200 other Serb samples.
https://i.imgur.com/xJ5TFvx.png

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Pre-Slavic part is very Roman indeed, vbnethios calculator:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6944010

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.3436% / 2.34355843
65.0 Slavic
31.5 Roman
3.5 Iron_age_Balkan

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If I remove those two Mycenean samples plus the one labeled as "Thraco-Cimmerian", I get more or less the same results, but the distance is somewhat larger:

Target: Dimić
Distance: 3.0113% / 3.01133240
65.0 Slavic
31.6 Eastern_Mediterranean
3.4 Paleo_Balkan

You should message the guy and ask him about his ancestry.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

My match from Gedmatch.
Surname Dimić.

Димић – Дивосело, Госпић, Д. Лапац, Острвица, В. Попина, Прљево (Зрмања)


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.19
2 West_Med 18.12
3 North_Atlantic 17.89
4 East_Med 17.69
5 West_Asian 9.71
6 Red_Sea 1.76
7 Oceanian 1.09
8 East_Asian 0.37
9 Siberian 0.18


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 9.07
2 Bulgarian 9.27
3 Romanian 9.81
4 Serbian 10
5 Croatian 11.7
6 Hungarian 15.24
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.67
8 Greek_Thessaly 16.82
9 Ukrainian 17.59
10 South_Polish 18.22
11 Austrian 19.27
12 Southwest_Russian 19.78
13 East_German 20.04
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.05
15 Polish 21.07
16 Russian_Smolensk 22.1
17 Estonian_Polish 22.43
18 Tatar 23.19
19 Belorussian 23.27
20 Central_Greek 23.46


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.4% Ukrainian + 31.6% Cyprian @ 5.15
2 76.3% Bulgarian + 23.7% Erzya @ 5.71
3 62.7% Estonian_Polish + 37.3% Cyprian @ 5.72
4 54.5% Greek_Thessaly + 45.5% Southwest_Russian @ 5.74
5 54.9% Greek_Thessaly + 45.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.8
6 59.8% Greek_Thessaly + 40.2% Erzya @ 5.84
7 54% Central_Greek + 46% Lithuanian @ 5.84
8 54.6% Southwest_Russian + 45.4% Central_Greek @ 5.85
9 57.7% Lithuanian + 42.3% Cyprian @ 5.87
10 70% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30% Cyprian @ 5.88
11 62.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.9
12 62.9% Greek_Thessaly + 37.1% Lithuanian @ 5.9
13 71.7% Ukrainian + 28.3% Samaritan @ 5.94
14 72.6% Bulgarian + 27.4% Southwest_Russian @ 5.95
15 72.3% Ukrainian + 27.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.96
16 51.2% Estonian_Polish + 48.8% Central_Greek @ 5.99
17 63.1% Russian_Smolensk + 36.9% Cyprian @ 6
18 62.8% Southwest_Russian + 37.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.01
19 79.1% Bulgarian + 20.9% Lithuanian @ 6.02
20 73.1% Bulgarian + 26.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.04



Updated K13
Distance to: Dimić
7.34616226 Moldova_average
7.62430980 Serb_Serbia_South
7.68426314 Moldova_South
7.76853268 Moldova_Centre
8.11608280 Serb_Herzegovina
8.27299825 Serb
8.30440847 Serb_Serbia_Central
8.30767115 Serb_Bosnia
8.37197109 Bulgaria_Northwestern
8.50578627 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
8.53304166 Romania_Maramures
8.57709741 Bosniak
8.65015029 Serb_Croatia
8.80435688 Pomak_Bulgaria
8.98503756 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.00451553 Moldova_North
9.17427926 Romania_average
9.18822616 Romania_Banat
9.20201065 Montenegrin
9.22038502 Serb_Serbia_West
9.39061233 Pomak_Greece
9.56513983 Romania_Dobruja
9.56727234 Romania_Moldavia_South
9.76182872 Romania_Wallachia
9.78368540 Romania_Muntenia

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Is the the one with the same y-DNA as Dima, an Albanian that posted here

not sure if posted before, Serb from Lika/Dalmatia (has GEDCOM), my mother's match

Spoiler!

MP5584199

Admix Results (sorted):

1 North_Atlantic 30.92
2 Baltic 26.69
3 West_Med 17.93
4 East_Med 13.87
5 West_Asian 6.81
6 Oceanian 1.36
7 South_Asian 1.29
8 Red_Sea 0.62
9 Siberian 0.42
10 East_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

1 Serbian 5.26
2 Hungarian 7.61
3 Romanian 8.34
4 Austrian 8.6
5 Moldavian 9.71
6 Croatian 10.38
7 East_German 10.39
8 Bulgarian 11
9 West_German 12.54
10 French 13.75
11 South_Dutch 13.97
12 North_Italian 15.87
13 South_Polish 16.38
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.62
15 Portuguese 17.24
16 Spanish_Galicia 17.46
17 Spanish_Cataluna 17.69
18 Ukrainian 17.69
19 North_German 17.79
20 Greek_Thessaly 17.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 50.8% North_Italian + 49.2% South_Polish @ 2.04
2 60% North_Italian + 40% Belorussian @ 2.42
3 59.2% North_Italian + 40.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.49
4 58% North_Italian + 42% Southwest_Russian @ 2.5
5 64.2% North_Italian + 35.8% Lithuanian @ 2.54
6 52.8% North_Italian + 47.2% Ukrainian @ 2.57
7 58.5% North_Italian + 41.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.62
8 59.7% North_Italian + 40.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.64
9 56% North_Italian + 44% Polish @ 2.65
10 63.9% East_German + 36.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.72
11 84.8% Hungarian + 15.2% Sardinian @ 2.75
12 51.2% North_Italian + 48.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.81
13 68.9% Hungarian + 31.1% North_Italian @ 2.85
14 61% Croatian + 39% North_Italian @ 2.88
15 67.3% Moldavian + 32.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88
16 65.3% Moldavian + 34.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.96
17 53.7% South_Polish + 46.3% Tuscan @ 2.97
18 62.9% North_Italian + 37.1% Estonian @ 3.06
19 77.3% East_German + 22.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.13
20 88.5% Serbian + 11.5% French_Basque @ 3.16