Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

Btw, isn't it interesting borders of fantasy Great Serbia correspond with borders of Ottoman conquest in western Balkans?

Remains of Croatia under Ottoman pressure
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...i_ostataka.jpg

Borders of Great Serbia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...via%29.svg.png

Hahaha.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Lol no. His Dalmatian Croat side is probably most southern shifted. Hvar has strong Med/Romance admixture. His father probably shifted much more north, and he looked assordingly.

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Croats have 0 percent "med"/italian genes let alone "strong" and his bosniak grandfather probably plotted like Bosniensis

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Originally Posted by Maintenance

yes you are

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Obviously not since your intentions are extremely easy to read. Orthodox dog.

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Originally Posted by Ford

Bosnian church was never widespread among the lower classes and only briefly among the nobles.

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This may be true, but I brought it up so I can show that Bosnians are as old an ethnic identity, with their own institutions, as both Croatians and Serbians, and it's dishonest to real history to claim them as nothing more but Croatians or Serbians. For example Bosnia appears a lot in Medieval Hungarian history and they were always called Bosnians.

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

I will add Croat Bosnian academic (also from 4 kits for some reason) tomorrow...

But please I want to see more results using K15 now. After ph2ter addition especially Italy is interesting.

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there is more of them.
there is 11 of them here:
https://evolbio.ut.ee/khazar/

you could divide them into Bosnia and Herzegovina(their names end with H or HZ in the .fam file)

could you add Romania Gorj? i posted it a few pages back

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Btw, isn't it interesting borders of fantasy Great Serbia correspond with borders of Ottoman conquest in western Balkans?

Remains of Croatia under Ottoman pressure
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...i_ostataka.jpg

Borders of Great Serbia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...via%29.svg.png

Hahaha.

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Nice off topic just to start fights, stupid autistic bitch

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I already gave proof how disgusting orthodox religion that spreaded west with Turks, not the opposite. There are much more Croats who became Servs, than the opposite.

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Orthodox Christianity is the oldest Christian tradition and isn't synonymous with Serbia at all. If any historical country should be picked, it would be the Byzantine empire. Shall I remind you that the biggest Eastern Orthodox church is Russian, not Serbian. Also I doubt you have much against Romania, Bulgaria or Greece and how they believe, don't you. So that's definitely the wrong choice of words.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Don't play fair here, I am asking why was Serb academic sample removed on Serbs demand, and it contain much more people than Bosnian Serbs average?
Lukasz said it is to be removed because it's too Romanian like and Serb members called it outdated.

Bosnian_Serb average is too Croat-like and is also outdated. So why should it be treated differently from academic Serbian sample?

You have no answer. Now bugger off.

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SerbianBosnia is shifted towards us, Northeast Euro, you call it Croat-like, I can say that it is more Ukrainian-like or Moldavian-like.

You discuss and focus on eurogenes k13, but EUtest remains untouched, nothing was removed from there.
Also eurogenes k13 appears to be inferior calculator than eutest for Europeans. Grace, CelticDragon, ph2ter, me, one Belarusian posted by Leto, Dusan, Ford and many others got more accurate results on eutest. At least this is how we perceive it according to our recent known ancestry.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

Croats have 0 percent "med"/italian genes let alone "strong" and his bosniak grandfather probably plotted like Bosniensis

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No. His grandfather looked like Swede compared to that Vlach. Croats from Hvar have strong Med admixture, and my paternal grandmother was Gracile Med in phenotype.
Don't speak about things you have no clue about. Hvar is island where Romance population is present since antiquity.

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

Some more K13 averages:

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Albanian,21.07,17.56,23.81,11.15,23.81,1.62,0.25,0.07,0.15,0.13,0.17,0.00,0.00
Algerian,13.95,0.61,24.25,0.00,27.47,14.21,0.00,0.31,0.12,0.10,0.39,8.89,9.66
Danish,48.13,28.42,11.20,4.88,3.64,0.68,1.07,0.07,0.93,0.45,0.25,0.16,0.10
English,49.96,23.98,13.57,5.83,3.30,0.62,0.85,0.13,0.22,0.35,0.38,0.13,0.13
German_east,36.93,36.50,12.59,5.57,4.79,0.78,0.69,0.09,0.30,0.78,0.55,0.15,0.20
German_West,45.37,25.20,13.22,7.02,5.78,0.85,0.30,0.58,0.39,0.37,0.11,0.35,0.14
North-Dutch,51.14,26.48,10.78,5.58,2.75,0.38,1.17,0.02,0.38,0.22,0.22,0.10,0.02
North-Swedish,44.53,36.23,6.25,3.95,0.66,0.40,1.26,0.39,4.94,0.62,0.60,0.09,0.14
Scottish,52.74,22.77,12.06,6.59,1.74,0.62,1.28,0.04,0.43,0.97,0.40,0.07,0.04
Slovakian,29.47,38.84,11.90,5.00,8.64,2.35,1.09,0.00,0.94,0.88,0.64,0.07,0.18
Slovene,30.66,34.00,14.71,7.03,9.92,1.18,0.72,0.32,0.46,0.51,0.32,0.10,0.07
South_Dutch,44.59,22.22,15.74,6.01,7.37,1.47,1.05,0.20,0.84,0.24,0.02,0.09,0.16
Swedish,48.45,30.99,9.81,3.64,2.43,0.84,1.41,0.21,0.68,0.56,0.40,0.32,0.23
Swiss_French,37.79,20.53,19.52,7.90,10.97,1.49,0.27,0.26,0.44,0.44,0.36,0.04,0.00
Swiss_German,40.15,22.01,17.27,6.58,10.31,1.90,0.08,0.28,0.25,0.52,0.29,0.29,0.09
Swiss_Italian,36.35,15.43,23.16,2.81,18.65,2.71,0.26,0.00,0.41,0.00,0.18,0.08,0.00
Welsh,51.09,22.22,15.85,6.86,0.43,1.18,0.40,0.58,0.00,0.74,0.38,0.17,0.12

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EUtest:

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Kaikavian_Croatian,23.50,17.22,18.47,17.04,9.49,8.05,5.21,0.37,0.48,0.00,0.16,0.00,0.00

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Added, except Slovakian and Slovenian. I think those academic which I added are ok.

Updated K15

3.34351892 Serbian_Bosnia
4.43035619 Bosnian
5.04413521 Bosniak
5.15313497 Romania_Nw
6.33881692 Romania_Ne
6.58376032 Moldavian
7.72230785 Slovenian
7.72935314 Romania_Sw
7.90444811 Croatian
8.07014554 Montenegrin
8.12596456 Serbian
8.22755128 Romania_Se
8.31912856 South_Serbian
8.51683040 Hungarian
8.73553519 Szekely
9.45547827 Macedonian
9.76327814 Romanian
9.95891058 Romania_South
10.35446883 Slovak
10.70991597 Bulgarian
10.89955504 Kaykavian_Croatian
11.57972366 Austrian
11.58190831 Czech
13.01095692 Ukrainian_Lviv
13.42447019 Gagauz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caofNg0UJMU

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Originally Posted by Lemgrant

SerbianBosnia is shifted towards us, Northeast Euro, you call it Croat-like, I can say that it is more Ukrainian-like or Moldavian-like.

You discuss and focus on eurogenes k13, but EUtest remains untouched, nothing was removed from there.
Also eurogenes k13 appears to be inferior calculator than eutest for Europeans. Grace, CelticDragon, ph2ter, me, one Belarusian posted by Leto, Dusan, Ford and many others got more accurate results on eutest. At least this is how we perceive it according to our recent known ancestry.

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Croats are more Slavic than Serbs and are closer to Ukrainians. What is not clear to you?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

No. His grandfather looked like Swede compared to that Vlach. Croats from Hvar have strong Med admixture, and my paternal grandmother was Gracile Med in phenotype.
Don't speak about things you have no clue about. Hvar is island where Romance population is present since antiquity.

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Richmondbread is more native american than you are italian.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Croats are more Slavic than and are closer to Ukrainians. What is not clear to you?

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you don't like Serbs, so I call it more Ukrainian-like, so you can feel better. What is not clear to you?

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

Richmondbread is more native american than you are italian.

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Retard, Dalmatian Romance populaton had nothing to do with Italians. They were Latinised Illyrians and Venetian/Italian contribution was small, only among urban families.
I am very happy not to have anything with Italians either, they are as dear to me as Serbs just not that primitive.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Only thing what is proved is Serbian roots of so called "Southern Croats" who are catholicised Serbs.
They cannot against their Serbian ethnic nature, despite efforts of Catholic church to make Croats from them. :)

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Its hilarious when Feiichy tries to claim croats being more northern because of more 'slavic' blood, when they're just a mix of slovenians/nw croatian nucleus admixed with bosnians(serbs) to different degrees.The more south you go the more bosnian(serb) like they are, the more northern the more slovenian "slavic" are.And of course, with the occasional austro-hungarian mixture.

EUtest 1+:
Distance to: Ljubic-dad
4.83160170 SerbianBosnia
6.08118410 Moldavian_1
6.12992659 Hungarian
6.48952918 Croatian
7.70608201 Slovenian_1
9.15808386 Kaikavian_Croatian
9.21824278 Serbian
10.48804856 Czech
10.83733362 Romanian
11.10087384 Austrian
11.29054915 Bulgarian_1
11.80774322 Slovakian_1
15.16785087 Ukrainian
15.44757262 Polish
16.28353463 UA_Sumy
17.34761943 Ukrainian-Russian
17.45858242 Albanian_1
17.92354597 West_Russian
18.91375161 Kosovar_1
19.57517050 West_&_Central_German
20.01225874 Belorussian
21.33751391 Dutch
21.35500176 North_Italian
22.15679354 French
22.50160661 North_Swedish

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

I will add Croat Bosnian academic (also from 4 kits for some reason) tomorrow...

But please I want to see more results using K15 now. After ph2ter addition especially Italy is interesting.

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Distance to: Dick-dad
5.78018420 Bosnian
6.21286719 Serbian_Bosnia
7.06656918 Bosniak
7.34521613 Moldavian
7.72449998 Romania_Nw
7.94914461 Romania_Ne
8.21312364 Romania_Sw
8.90979798 Hungarian
9.15296785 Montenegrin
9.33814221 Romania_Se
9.42937146 Slovenian
9.65026425 Croatian
9.65223161 Szekely
9.80885314 South_Serbian
9.86672185 Serbian
10.16224385 Romania_South
10.52230488 Romanian
10.73041462 Macedonian
10.75715012 Slovak
11.41477989 Bulgarian
12.14964197 Kaykavian_Croatian
12.65286924 Czech
12.76955363 Ukrainian_Lviv
13.51392245 Austrian
13.59559855 Gagauz

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Good for you, proves you Ustaša roots like the rast of Krajina Serb mongrels.

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I am shifted toward Moldova, not toward Croatia, you autistic woman.

https://i.imgur.com/bHZHbsf.jpg

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

Its hilarious when Feiichy tries to claim croats being more northern because of more 'slavic' blood, when they're just a mix of slovenians/nw croatian nucleus admixed with bosnians(serbs) to different degrees.The more south you go the more bosnian(serb) like they are, the more northern the more slovenian "slavic" are.And of course, with the occasional austro-hungarian mixture.

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Why do Serbs look like Greeks?

https://i.imgur.com/xthYP9u.png

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Originally Posted by Dušan

I am shifted toward Moldova, not toward Croatia, you autistic woman.

https://i.imgur.com/bHZHbsf.jpg

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Proper Southern Croats are closest to Moldovans from Basserabia. Morlacks closest to Serbs.
Nothing western about them.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

Its hilarious when Feiichy tries to claim croats being more northern because of more 'slavic' blood, when they're just a mix of slovenians/nw croatian nucleus admixed with bosnians(serbs) to different degrees.The more south you go the more bosnian(serb) like they are, the more northern the more slovenian "slavic" are.And of course, with the occasional austro-hungarian mixture.

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Nucleus is around Adriatic coast, not in Panonnia. They are far less Croats than those in the south.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Proper Southern Croats are closest to Moldovans from Basserabia. Morlacks closest to Serbs.
Nothing western about them.

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Which Morlachs? You mean Bunjevci?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Retard, Dalmatian Romance populaton had nothing to do with Italians. They were Latinised Illyrians and Venetian/Italian contribution was small, only among urban families.
I am very happy not to have anything with Italians either, they are as dear to me as Serbs just not that primitive.

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There is no proof that the romance speakers of the coast had illyrian origin.The last romance speakers of the coast were eastern romans, illyrians were gone from there for millenias.They analyzed a nobleman from Dalmatia/Zadar and he ended up cypriot autosomally,next time you insult Maintenance think of the fact that he probably has relatives that owned slavs like you.You and pretty much all croats dont even have a drop of native dalmatian dna, all your little paleo-balkan dna is from mainland dinaric regions, the romans eliminated the illyrians then you got myriad of invaders who settled on the coast from germanic tribes to the last possesors, the Byzantines,and even later Death plague killed 50-70% of the people.That you are foreign to Dalmatia is not even your biggest problem,the cognitive disonance is your biggest problem, you'd rather invent lie cause the reality is too brutal for you, its the opposite of what you want.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Which Morlachs? You mean Bunjevci?

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I made ''Morlach'' average of southern shifted Dalmatian and BiH Croats (like Ljubic dad), they are closest to Serbs.
Others with high Baltic are in south Croat Slavic cluster which is closest to Moldovans from Basserabia.

There are two distinct clusters of south Croats and Mingle was first to notice it.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Only thing what is proved is Serbian roots of so called "Southern Croats" who are catholicised Serbs.

Here are those apostates dancing Serbian national dance kolo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUYVHSmIEOM

They cannot against their Serbian ethnic nature, despite efforts of Catholic church to make Croats from them. :)

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Croatian Franciskan monks play Serbian "Užičko kolo."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rnlc9nFyRs

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

There is no proof that the romance speakers of the coast had illyrian origin.The last romance speakers of the coast were eastern romans, illyrians were gone from there for millenias.They analyzed a nobleman from Dalmatia/Zadar and he ended up cypriot autosomally,next time you insult Maintenance think of the fact that he probably has relatives that owned slavs like you.You and pretty much all croats dont even have a drop of native dalmatian dna, all your little paleo-balkan dna is from mainland dinaric regions, the romans eliminated the illyrians then you got myriad of invaders who settled on the coast from germanic tribes to the last possesors, the Byzantines,and even later Death plague killed 50-70% of the people.That you are foreign to Dalmatia is not even your biggest problem,the cognitive disonance is your biggest problem, you'd rather invent lie cause the reality is too brutal for you, its the opposite of what you want.

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That Cypriot nobleman was immigrant. I know who you talk about. He probably came from East Med region.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Nucleus is around Adriatic coast, not in Panonnia. They are far less Croats than those in the south.

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So you, Hrvoje and ph2ter are fake Croats, and catholicised Serbs are real ones? :)

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Croatian Franciskan monks play Serbian "Užičko kolo."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rnlc9nFyRs

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG3jzTEWeIQ

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

That Cypriot nobleman was immigrant. I know who you talk about. He probably came from East Med region.

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now sit down and dont speak until spoken to, slave.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Proper Southern Croats are closest to Moldovans from Basserabia.
Nothing western about them.

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Only if they're bosnian genetically (hence preserve the original south slavic blood without admixing with austro-hungarians/slovenians), those that get slovenia/hungary/croatia in first place on genetics calculators(high North Sea to baltic ratio), like you and your family are foreign to Moldova genetics.

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Originally Posted by Maintenance

now sit down and dont speak until spoken to, slave.

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Dude, he integrated in Slavic society.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Dude, he integrated in Slavic society.

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Sure, you knew him personally?

peasant.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

Only if they're bosnian genetically (hence preserve the original south slavic blood without admixing with austro-hungarians/slovenians), those that get slovenia/hungary/croatia in first place on genetics calculators(high North Sea to baltic ratio), like you and your family are foreign to Moldova genetics.

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Lol, it's rather some Bosnian muslims are Croat like genetically. There was no Bosnian Slavic tribe.
I don't speak about me, I speak about my southern Croat average that is closest to Basserabians.

People from this first average are purest Croats around, not Kaykavian Croats or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

https://i.imgur.com/sRy5oCt.png

https://i.imgur.com/OmHlSqc.png

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Btw, there are no Serbs genetically similar to this average. Only southern Croats and some Bosnian muslims.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Proper Southern Croats are closest to Moldovans from Basserabia. Morlacks closest to Serbs.
Nothing western about them.

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More eastern-Moldovan shifted = more possibility their paleo-Balkan ancestors were Thracians (not local North Italian-like Ilyrians), that came from central and eastern Balkans.
Just like mine. :)

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Originally Posted by Dušan

More eastern-Moldovan shifted = more possibility their paleo-Balkan ancestors were Thracians (not local North Italian-like Ilyrians), that came from central and eastern Balkans.
Just like mine. :)

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What do you get now on K13?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

What do you get now on K13?

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Moldavia, Ukraine, Bulgaria and Greek Thessaly.
Orthodox brotherhood.

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Sardinian @ 3.52
2 60.5% Ukrainian + 39.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.89
3 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% Central_Greek @ 4.09
4 54.2% Bulgarian + 45.8% Ukrainian @ 4.12
5 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.15
6 72.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 27.8% Sardinian @ 4.16
7 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.16
8 71.1% Ukrainian + 28.9% South_Italian @ 4.17
9 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Bulgarian @ 4.19
10 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% Ashkenazi @ 4.23
11 68.8% Ukrainian + 31.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.23
12 62.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.24
13 95.1% Moldavian + 4.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.24
14 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Central_Greek @ 4.27
15 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.27
16 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% South_Italian @ 4.27
17 94% Moldavian + 6% West_Sicilian @ 4.28
18 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Cyprian @ 4.29
19 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Tunisian @ 4.29
20 96% Moldavian + 4% Moroccan @ 4.3

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Moldavia, Ukraine, Bulgaria and Greek Thessaly.
Orthodox brotherhood.

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Sardinian @ 3.52
2 60.5% Ukrainian + 39.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.89
3 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% Central_Greek @ 4.09
4 54.2% Bulgarian + 45.8% Ukrainian @ 4.12
5 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.15
6 72.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 27.8% Sardinian @ 4.16
7 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.16
8 71.1% Ukrainian + 28.9% South_Italian @ 4.17
9 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Bulgarian @ 4.19
10 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% Ashkenazi @ 4.23
11 68.8% Ukrainian + 31.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.23
12 62.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.24
13 95.1% Moldavian + 4.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.24
14 93.7% Moldavian + 6.3% Central_Greek @ 4.27
15 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.27
16 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% South_Italian @ 4.27
17 94% Moldavian + 6% West_Sicilian @ 4.28
18 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Cyprian @ 4.29
19 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Tunisian @ 4.29
20 96% Moldavian + 4% Moroccan @ 4.3

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I mean this updated K13 single distances. I doubt any Serbs will get South Croat Slavic cluster in first place.