Scytho-Turkic Z93 branch Z2125 vs. Indo-Aryan migration theory

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Originally Posted by Duke

because scythians expanded from Europe eastwards, and asimilating and mixing with everything in their path.

I told you why Caucasian people look similar to Balkan

Its scythians mixed with wogs :D

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I think they only ruled North Caucasus area, but maybe that's where they get European admixture.

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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900

Proto-semites came from southern Palestine/Israel, and they are characterized by the haplogroup J1e or J1c3 which most modern Arabian males belong to esp Yemeni men. Anyway, what im saying is that the Ossetians are a mixture between iranian and caucasian peoples, and they aren't Turanid or Turkic like these annoying Turanists are claiming them to be.

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But you don't think Alans and the rest came from Iran, do you? I think they were Europeans.

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Originally Posted by Foreigner

I think they only ruled North Caucasus area, but maybe that's where they get European admixture.

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no

Damn, i posted this before, short term memory fail?
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/sh...skeletons.html

Besides, most of North Caucasus is Rus, if you call that Caucasus
http://geocurrents.info/wp-content/u...Layout_rev.png

And thats where precisely Alans came from
http://www.annodomini.org.uk/wp-cont...tcmAlanMap.jpg

Now, i believe Alans could be close to Ossetians, because its a generally mixed area between Russians, and Caucasus mountain people

there is no scytho turkic. scyth is persian and modern day bulgars, tchuvash and ossetians have ggot scythian genetics

i got a scyth tattoo aswell

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Originally Posted by Foreigner

Would this mean they were a mix of something like that?

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yes scythian had probably very much ANE and looked rather like depigmented modern eastern iranics (irano-nordoid). They were also close to modern slavs because of common indoeuropean ancestry but looked slightly different
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Here are some facial reconstructions of scythians.

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Originally Posted by Foreigner

But you don't think Alans and the rest came from Iran, do you? I think they were Europeans.

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I think they were Europeans but i dont know. All i know is that the ossetians are genetically linked with their ancestors maternally, and their language is an eastern iranian language descended from scytho-sarmatian language. I just find it funny that Turkish people are genetically very close to Caucasians rather than to Kazakhs and Kyrgyzstan, and yet, they keep claiming that they are 100 percent racially pure Turanian turks or something. I dont deny that they do have Turkic admixture buts its very exaggerated.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...09103-f2.2.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iYKtdl7HCQ.../s1600/1_2.png

The admixture chart:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT...MIXTURE_10.png

Vir, do you think Alans were basically Ossetes and what do you think was the ethnogenesis of the Scytho-Sarmatian peoples like? And how come even Alans looked so light to the Romans?

Did they exagerate how light these peoples were, because Romans were even more Gypsy looking(darkies I mean) than modern Italians(if somehow possible)?

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Originally Posted by Bure

there is no scytho turkic. scyth is persian and modern day bulgars, tchuvash and ossetians have ggot scythian genetics

i got a scyth tattoo aswell

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The exceptionally high level of G2a1a in the North Ossetians has attracted attention and speculation. Since the Ossetians make claim to descent from the Alans, a group of Sarmatians, it was thought that the Alans or their predessor residents of the area north of the Caucasus. The type of haplogroup G in these European areas, however, is not G2a1a which is rare in Europe. Also rare in Europe is the type of G (G2a3b1) common among the Kabardinians and Adyghe and Abkhaz of the western Caucasus adjacent to the Ossetians.

If the Ossetian G2a1a originated in the major groups north of the Caucasus sometime during an approximate 2,000-year period, it would have been sequentially either from the Scythians, the Alans (and other Saramatians) or the Huns. All three groups were described north of the Caucasus in different time periods as they migrated from the east. Examination of ancient DNA from Scythian skeletons from the steppes to the east of the Caucasus has found only haplogroup R1a


Esentially they are G2a1a folk who make claim they were once R1a Russian like people

Turkic Speakers are the result of an East Iranic tribe, the Tur (Turan= land of the Tur) mixing with early Altaic groups.

The Pashtuns or Tajiks are as high in Haplogroup R1a z93 as any Turkic speakers. Since there is not much diversity of R1a1a in Turkic speakers they all probably descend from one single source(the Tur). It is not yet clear if Andronovo was the Proto Indo_iranian homeland, or just a very early settlements of the Proto Indo_iranians.

The Mitanni were probably proto Indo_Iranian speakers who were not yet diverged in the Iranic and Indo_Aryan branches.