Who, genetically, are the least Slavic of the Slavs?

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12-07-2021, 02:10 PM
Dušan

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

They are probably not. But BA samples from east Slavonia and Dalmatian hinterland were homogenous, and that tells something.
More samples are needed. Maybe southern Illyrians in MNE/ALB were more Thracian like, or maybe they weren't. None knows. But they couldn't have been like Greek Islanders.

Yes. And northern Illyrians had large contacts and influences from Celts and Veneti. Some even say Liburnians weren't even Illyrians but Venetic tribes.
Very little is known about them.

What I think tho, is that these models heavily exegerate Roman genetic influence.

We will see when paper comes out. I heard they have Serbian (Moesian) IA samples, Croatian (Illyrian) and Slovenian (Illyrian-Keltic) IA as well.

Maybe they couldnt have been like Greek islanders, but they could have been like Greek mainlanders.

Since early begining studying of my autosomal on Gedmatch K13, I got Greek in model with Ukrainians in mixed mode oracle.

https://i.imgur.com/RKzEyYu.png

It is not coincidence or mistake, but proxy of pre-Slavic population of Serbia.
12-07-2021, 02:19 PM
Jana

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

They also have lowered Balto-Slavic drift, compared to medieval East Slavs and samples like Cedynia, which have the highest Balto-Slavic drift of all Slavic samples (Balto-Slavic drift pulls south on this PCA).

Is this Cedynia sample available on K13 or G25?
Very informative posts as always.
12-07-2021, 02:26 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Maybe they couldnt have been like Greek islanders, but they could have been like Greek mainlanders.

Since early begining studying of my autosomal on Gedmatch K13, I got Greek in model with Ukrainians in mixed mode oracle.

https://i.imgur.com/RKzEyYu.png

It is not coincidence or mistake, but proxy of pre-Slavic population of Serbia.

Stearsolina is lowering your Slavic by claiming they were more Northern than Ukrainians. And you shouldn't care about that because you have repeatedly refused to downplay your Wog influence in favor of Slavdom.
12-07-2021, 02:30 PM
Jana

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Originally Posted by Leto

Stearsolina is lowering your Slavic by claiming they were more Northern than Ukrainians. And you shouldn't care about that because you have repeatedly refused to downplay your Wog influence in favor of Slavdom.

I'm not lowering anything (it lowers my Slavic too), just interested in the truth. Some old gedmatch Oracles don't mean much.
It's said lot of Vlachs from south and central Balkans moved to the west with Ottoman expansions.
12-07-2021, 02:45 PM
Sora

Idk much about this, but I guess Macedonians, Sorbians, Czecho-Slovakians, Bulgarians & Northern Russians(with some Ural individuals)

These are very shocking!

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...rom_an_ethnic/

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...ons_using_g25/

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...i_looks_quite/
12-07-2021, 02:49 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

I'm not lowering anything (it lowers my Slavic too), just interested in the truth. Some old gedmatch Oracles don't mean much.
It's said lot of Vlachs from south and central Balkans moved to the west with Ottoman expansions.

Okay, I'm just messing around. To be honest, I don't have much of value to add. I'm kinda tired of this least-most Slavic stuff. Some sock puppet (?) bumped this old thread out of the blue and all you guys dug in.
12-07-2021, 02:49 PM
Dušan

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Originally Posted by Leto

Stearsolina is lowering your Slavic by claiming they were more Northern than Ukrainians. And you shouldn't care about that because you have repeatedly refused to downplay your Wog influence in favor of Slavdom.

???

Unlike you who are obsesed with Nordicism, I am proud to whole my ancestors, be they proto-Slavs or pre-Slavic population.
Now go licking Bosnian Muslim feets who score 37% Baltic.
12-07-2021, 02:52 PM
Insuperable

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Most likely Illyrians is a collective name given to a diverse group of tribes and tribal alliances of the Thracian-Illyrian branch of the Indo-European ethno-linguistic family, once inhabited in areas from the Pannonian Plain to the Adriatic coast.

It was a name given by Greeks and Romans to a bunch of loosely connected tribes. Even Greeks and Romans had a differing view of who is Illyrian.
12-07-2021, 02:57 PM
Leto

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Originally Posted by Dušan

???

Unlike you who are obsesed with Nordicism, I am proud to whole my ancestors, be they proto-Slavs or pre-Slavic population.
Now go licking Bosnian Muslim feets who score 37% Baltic.

Listen, that's not "Nordicism". I'm a light guy with Northeastern genetics and R1a (Balto-Slavic). It's not like I'm an Indian from the slums of New Delhi dreaming about ancient Aryans or whatever. And I don't conceal my admiration for Steppe ancestry, it's not illegal to praise the Steppe and R1a. As for Muslims, I bet I'm more religious than you (not a better person, to be clear) and possibly more conservative too but if they do score like that, so be it. They are just converted Europeans anyway. I don't lick their feet, it's ridiculous.
12-07-2021, 03:01 PM
vbnetkhio

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Is this Cedynia sample available on K13 or G25?
Very informative posts as always.

here:

Code:

VK2020_POL_Cedynia_VA:VK212,0.124067,0.135065,0.075424,0.072029,0.038469,0.027052,0.011986,0.020538,0.00634,-0.027153,-0.006171,-0.01169,0.022002,0.031516,-0.016694,-0.01127,0.002347,0.003041,0.005028,-0.001501,-0.010606,0.004946,0.007518,-0.005422,0.00479

there is k13 too, it was posted long ago by Lukasz.

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