Poland-Germany border, most interesting thing ever

In one region of Poland peasants were called "gocie", probably derived from "Goths".

Toponyms with "Got-", "Gut-" etc., possibly linked with Goths (but this connection is uncertain):

http://ksng.gugik.gov.pl/urzedowe_na...ejscowosci.php

http://i.imgur.com/WIdfjVA.png

Visigoths in Iberia were already very iranized. But we need remember slavs closes with iranics due satemization. Pomeranians in Brazil claim sarmatian ancestry.

http://eaglesanddragonspublishing.co...armatian-1.png

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Originally Posted by Rethel

It is exactly what you sugested. Not my fault, that you were talking nonsense. So, please, do not put it on me.

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Don't blame me if you can't understand linguistics.

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Originally Posted by Rethel

words for bred, sword, prince aso...

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All the words that you cited comes from Proto-Slavic and are very early borrowings directly from Proto-Germanic that ocurred in the earliest stage of formation of the language.
Bread 'Chleb' from Proto-Slavic *xlěbъ.
Sword 'Miecz' from Proto-Slavic *mьčь.
Prince 'Książę' from Proto-Slavic *kъnędzь.
So, it's all that you have?

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Originally Posted by Rethel

You are again talking nonsense. You are disscussing with things, which I did not said. Nothing strange, that you do not understand what we are talking about. So, please, choose: either you are talking with your imaginable Rethel, or with real me. If with the first one -I am ending this disscussion right now.

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Now you can stop the ad hominem and start using real arguments. :bored:

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Originally Posted by Rethel

And what? Lack of such dialect killed people? And in Italy, existing of such dialect gave the life?

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Well, in Northern Italy just reflects what occurs when a existing population adopts a new tongue. In this case, the Gaulish population adopted Vulgar Latin by subjugation but you can still see heavy Celtic influence even after the Italian standardization.
Just a example: Pader nòster, che te seet in ciel che 'l sia faa sant el tò nòmm che 'l vegna el tò regn, che 'l sia faa 'l tò vorè, come in ciel, inscì anca in su la terra.
The same in Italian: Padre nostro che sei nei cieli, sia santificato il tuo Nome, venga il tuo Regno, sia fatta la tua Volontà come in cielo così in terra.
If the East Germanic population in Poland before the Slavic settlements were really considerably, these type of dialect would have existed till today.

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Originally Posted by Rethel

I just did above. Even three.

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You didn't. You just searched for Polish words of Germanic origin and posted here. :picard1:

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Originally Posted by Rethel

Did it make Celtiberians true and real Goths from Scandia?

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Never said or suggested that, are you talking with a imaginary Token?

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Originally Posted by Rethel

You really have hard time with getting simple facts. It was not a matter to debate english language. I just showed you, how nonsensical your linguistic argument was. No need for elaborating english matters.

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Again using ad hominem and zero concret arguments. :bored: You tried to use my linguistic arguments against me and i showed that your logic was flawed, simple as that. Or you didn't said "according to that logic, Anglosaxons have to be gone, replaced by Frenchmen... Much more Irs, which all died and now lived there Englishmen..."? :picard1:

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Originally Posted by Rethel

And you again proved my point, acknowledging the fact, that people survived. It is really so hard to get?

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People survived but mixed with the invaders and the Germanic blood was heavily diluted. Is it hard for you to understand?

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Originally Posted by Rethel

No, you are the only one who have. In one sentence you say, people are alive, and in the second, you are denying that fact based on... language... can you finally decide what is your point? Did people extinct or they are alive? They cannot be dead and alive at the same time.

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Language is very important and even you agreed with that so why you are denying it? Can you decide what you believe? And yes, the East Germanic people are extinct, i think it's obvious, but the genes are alive, heavily diluted but still alive.

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Originally Posted by Token

Don't blame me if you can't understand linguistics.

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Don;t blame me, if you are talking about things, I was not talking about - answering me.

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All the words that you cited comes from Proto-Slavic and are very early borrowings directly from Proto-Germanic that ocurred in the earliest stage of formation of the language.
Bread 'Chleb' from Proto-Slavic *xlěbъ.
Sword 'Miecz' from Proto-Slavic *mьčь.
Prince 'Książę' from Proto-Slavic *kъnędzь.
So, it's all that you have?

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Are from gotish, and there is more - but as I said, I am not going disscuss irrelevant topic.

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Now you can stop the ad hominem and start using real arguments. :bored:

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It is hard to disscuss with your imagination - so I just informed you.

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Well, in Northern Italy just reflects what occurs when a existing population adopts a new tongue. In this case, the Gaulish population adopted Vulgar Latin by subjugation but you can still see heavy Celtic influence even after the Italian standardization.
Just a example: Pader nòster, che te seet in ciel che 'l sia faa sant el tò nòmm che 'l vegna el tò regn, che 'l sia faa 'l tò vorè, come in ciel, inscì anca in su la terra.
The same in Italian: Padre nostro che sei nei cieli, sia santificato il tuo Nome, venga il tuo Regno, sia fatta la tua Volontà come in cielo così in terra.
If the East Germanic population in Poland before the Slavic settlements were really considerably, these type of dialect would have existed till today.

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And then they would be Wielbarkers, regardless they are descendants
or not, only becasue would speak polish with gothic borrowings...? :picard2:

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You didn't. You just searched for Polish words of Germanic origin and posted here. :picard1:

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If I would search, I would paste here whole list of them. :picard1:

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Again using ad hominem and zero concret arguments. :bored:

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Arguments against irrelevant topic?
Men, I just said, I do not want disscuss things, which are totaly different topic.
What do you want me to argument about in such case? :picard2:
Supporting your offtopic? :bored:

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You tried to use my linguistic arguments against me

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I just am showing you how stupid it is...

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People survived but mixed with the invaders and the Germanic blood was heavily diluted.

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So you admitt they are alive. I am glad. Disscussion is finished.

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Is it hard for you to understand?

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Did I negate it somewhere?

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Language is very important

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Is not. Is important only as a feature of people - not otherwise. Irs
still are Irs, evern if they do not speak their language. They didn;t
died out, they didn't mutate into Saxons speaking their language.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

I think that East Germanic borrowings existed already in Old Slavic. What is even more interesting (due to geography), some linguists say that there were West Germanic borrowings in Old Slavic.
Some of those borrowings could be from the Bastarnians (Bastarnae) though.

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Yes, probably from a Common East-Germanic language, but the greatest part of the Germanic words borrowed by Proto-Slavic comes directly from Proto-Germanic.

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Originally Posted by Rethel

So you admitt they are alove. I am glad. Disscussion is finished.

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I've never denied that, i think you just misunderstood me. By the way, it was a interesting discussion, it is always good to hear other points of view.