Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Da, dar daca persoana e din Romania, atunci probabil ca e amestecata. La noi familiile ucrainizate nu indica neaparat geneflow recent. Pe timpul Imperiului Rus si a Uniunii Sovietice, in unele locuri familiile autohtone erau sistematic slavicizate.

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exact - in Romania nu a existat ucrainizare a numelor (cine sa le ucrainizeze, nu a fost niciodata teritoriul sub administratie ucraineana, din contra, sint constant rominizate), asa ca numele de familie ucrainiene indica descendenta din satele de ruteni si hutuli din nordul Moldovei

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Originally Posted by *****

'North_European 36.13 Pct'

This result doesn't plot like those 'Moldovans' from G25 I am pretty sure...

I am myself at 28.78 North European on that Dodecad calculator and those G25 Moldovans almost plott the same as me.
Plus Seya seems to doesn't know what exactly her father is judging by the conversation... Also she said that he has some Aromanian ancestry no?
As for the other person, I haven't seen her results. If you're kind to show them?

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i have aromanian from my mom side. i didn't know they get dobrogea regions on 23andme. i thought they would get northern greece or something. that's why i imagined it was from my father side. but it's not.

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Originally Posted by *****

'North_European 36.13 Pct'

This result doesn't plot like those 'Moldovans' from G25 I am pretty sure...

I am myself at 28.78 North European on that Dodecad calculator and those G25 Moldovans almost plott the same as me.
Plus Seya seems to doesn't know what exactly her father is judging by the conversation... Also she said that he has some Aromanian ancestry no?
As for the other person, I haven't seen her results. If you're kind to show them?

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Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

Fellow,28.06,24.76,17.53,6.52,18.76,0,0.10,0,1.37, 1.36,0.22,0,1.32
FellowGF,23.23,26.67,18.62,9.95,18.12,0,0,0.36,1.4 1,0.91,0.45,0.18,0.10

Gf is fully from Galati/Vaslui region. I'm 1/2 Iasi, 1/4 Suceava, 1/4 Vaslui.

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Not sure is Vaslui southern Molodva though.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

exact - in Romania nu a existat ucrainizare a numelor (cine sa le ucrainizeze, nu a fost niciodata teritoriul sub administratie ucraineana, din contra, sint constant rominizate), asa ca numele de familie ucrainiene indica descendenta din satele de ruteni si hutuli din nordul Moldovei

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Persoana dată are familie ucrainizată. Sînt o sumedenie de aşa familii în zona de nord, mai ales că ele practic nu există în Ucraina.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Not sure is Vaslui southern Molodva though.

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Vaslui is center moldova

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Originally Posted by Seya

Vaslui is center moldova

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So it seems she is only half southern Moldovan, and already pretty southern shifted. Therefore I don't see why full southern Molodvan wouldn't plot like those RM samples from Ștefan Vodă.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

So it seems she is only half southern Moldovan, and already pretty southern shifted. So I don't see why full southern Molodvan wouldn't plot like those RM samples from Ștefan Vodă.

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yes, as WeirdLookingFellow said, she plots right over the romanian dot on K15 map.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Persoana dată are familie ucrainizată. Sînt o sumedenie de aşa familii în zona de nord, mai ales că ele practic nu există în Ucraina.

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eu ziceam altceva - daca la voi e normal, pt ca ati avut administratie rusa, in Romania nu a existat niciodata o politica de ucrainizare a numelor, adica cele ucrainiene sint pur si simplu pt ca persoana are o mai apropiata sau mai departata origine ruteana sau hutula (judetele Maramures, Suceava si putin Botosani). la voi inteleg ca e normal, ca s-au pus terminatii -iuc si -ov asa la nume moldovenesti, aici nu s-a intimplat insa

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Originally Posted by *****

You said they are representative for Southern Moldova did you?
Even for only a part of Moldova we can't they are representative because these guys are pretty different from any Moldovans we have seen so far...
Plus southern plotting doesn't mean much unless you define what that means?
I've seen results of some Vlachian Romanians however and many have some extra west Asian which pulls them as you say 'south'.

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Dude, perhaps you haven't looked at what has been posted here. You can't just ignore all the samples posted here.
We have breakdowns by district and those Moldovans are pretty typical for the South. Cahul Moldovans (also South) are similar to those from G25. My mom is 1/2 Southern (Cahul) and 1/2 Ukrainian. Her Moldovan/Romanian part seems to coincide with theirs.

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Originally Posted by *****

That's pretty inaccurate imho.
There were plenty of Moldovans posted on these forums and none of them was anything similar to the 'Moldovans' on G25. Many were posted in Ph2ter's plotting threads and again no such Moldovans.
We don't know exactly what kind of Moldovans these guys are...
Just because they were used in academic study doesn't mean that these studies are hundred percent accurate. There is even a 'Macedonian3' sample in G25 from a study and that guy is not really a Macedonian but Bosniak. There are many Bosniaks in Macedonia and they are pretty much integrated in the country.
Furthermore you can't take samples from a single village in Moldova as representative and average for all ethnic Moldovans.
That would be the same if we collect samples from South-Eastern Bulgarians who live close to Black Sea and take that as an average.
I have few samples from those Bulgarians and all of them end up in the Greek cluster, however that's not the Bulgarian average...

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There is a big difference here.
Your situation with the Macedonians not being accurate is similar to those of the old Moldavians (p2hter also used them because they are from Eurogenes). Davidski himself deleted them and messaged me that they are not representative, as he found that they are mixed with Russians. The G25 Moldovans on the other hand are collected by the Reich laboratory. Those are fully verified and handpicked as opposed to the unverified Macedonians and old Moldavians. For example, all the G25 Moldovans are recorded in the Reich lab, while your Macedonians are not on that list. Hence, I'm not surprised that their data is dubious.

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/downlo...blished-papers

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Persoana dată are familie ucrainizată. Sînt o sumedenie de aşa familii în zona de nord, mai ales că ele practic nu există în Ucraina.

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Noi vorbim despre o persoana din Botosani. Face zero sens sa ai familie ucrainizata fara geneflow ucrainean in Romania. In R. Moldova e mai complicat si cum am spus, nu indica neaparat o amestecare.