As a macro-region, yes, but Transylvania usually refers only to Central Romania. The border regions have different names. Anyway, the person is not Banat German.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
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As a macro-region, yes, but Transylvania usually refers only to Central Romania. The border regions have different names. Anyway, the person is not Banat German.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
His daughter who runs the account put "Arad, Hungary" as his maternal grandparents' birthplace. I googled and it's Romania today, like the Westernmost counties of Romania.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
That region is called Crișana. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cri%C8%99ana
Crișana, Banat and Maramures are all western Romania, but they are not Transylvania proper, rather distinct regions.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...amures.svg.png
This sample? Did you see the surnames of the side from Arad? Arad county was 61% Romanian at the time the grandparents were likely born. Arad the city only 39% RomanianQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...930_pop1-1.jpg
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Originally Posted by Leto
Yes, this. I'll tell you the surnames privately but they're all very German.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
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Born: 25 OCT 1879, Pankota, Arad, Hungary
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Born: 04 OCT 1888, Neupanat, Arad, Hungary
Yeah, full German apparently. It would be interesting if they had the side from Romania isolated to see the first German from Crisana. Those 2 that I have are from Brasov in Southeastern Transylvania.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Unfortunately we'll never know. Those two people came to Minnesota and their daughter, the man's mother was born there. His paternal side appears to be either fully or mostly from Eastern Germany (they tend to be Slavic-shifted with up to 35% Baltic), so probably that mixture rendered this South German-like result. Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Banat je Srpska
Actually, everything je srpska
even your mom
I have 4 Transylvanian Saxons (3 are close family) found by Peterski. They were all born in the countryside (1 in Brasov, 3 family members from Mures (Sighisoara)) and look significantly more German than those 2 that I already had. Mine were from the town of Brasov, so perhaps they are more Romanian-influenced because of the character of an urban setting.
Also interesting to note that those from urban Brasov live in Romania, while these left for Germany during the communist period.
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Brasov_urban_1 28.80 23.90 16.40 11.34 15.81 1.81 0.97 0.44 0 0.32 0.14 0.08 0 Brasov_urban_2 30.10 26.02 16.78 7.59 14.70 2.70 0 0.83 0 0.89 0 0 0.37 Brasov_rural 42.38 19.00 19.51 5.95 10.16 0.78 0.72 0 0 1.08 0.43 0 0 Mures_Sighisoara_1 41.95 21.58 18.39 4.69 10.93 1.08 0.66 0 0 0.69 0 0 0 Mures_Sighisoara_2 39.60 25.27 16.14 6.41 8.05 1.75 0.84 0.85 0.67 0.09 0 0 0.29 Mures_Sighisoara_3 38.88 23.90 18.71 4.80 10.71 0.95 1.02 0.40 0 0.61 0 0 0
Distance to: Brasov_rural 2.12739277 FRA_Central 3.58159182 Swiss_German2 3.63174889 FRA_Belgica 4.51566163 French 4.65835808 Swiss_German 5.14203267 FRA_Alsace 5.40847483 Swiss_French 6.05956269 AostaValley 6.28419446 South_Dutch 8.24403421 German_West 9.02352481 FRA_Septimania 9.91647115 FRA_Armorica 10.34858928 Spanish_Cataluna 11.15766105 German 11.19165314 Dutch 11.37286683 English_Southeast 11.40860640 Swiss-Italian2 11.87280506 FRA_Provence 11.96135026 IT_Trentino 11.99089655 Portuguese 12.02524428 Spanish_Galicia 12.04497821 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.23551797 Swiss_Italian 12.31381744 English_Midlands 12.85657030 English
Distance to: Mures_Sighisoara_1 2.53333772 Swiss_German2 3.16080686 Swiss_German 3.37850559 FRA_Alsace 3.62102196 FRA_Belgica 4.23407605 FRA_Central 5.48672033 South_Dutch 5.54669271 Swiss_French 6.80499816 French 7.04455109 German_West 8.18003056 AostaValley 9.24240229 German 9.81985743 FRA_Armorica 10.27513990 Dutch 10.95749059 Austrian 11.01090369 FRA_Septimania 11.04308381 English_Southeast 11.90280219 English_Midlands 12.16497020 IT_Trentino 12.18280345 Swiss-Italian2 12.38046041 English 12.38689227 Spanish_Cataluna 12.59238262 Swiss_Italian 12.82930629 FRA_Provence 12.95168715 English_North 13.31892638 North_German
Distance to: Mures_Sighisoara_2 3.33433652 FRA_Alsace 4.34027649 Swiss_German 5.05579865 Swiss_German2 5.12884977 German 5.56962297 Austrian 5.57752633 German_West 5.96714337 South_Dutch 6.12296497 FRA_Belgica 7.00327780 Swiss_French 9.09855483 FRA_Central 9.39289093 Dutch 10.16387229 German_East 10.29752883 FRA_Armorica 10.50510352 Hungarian_Transdanubia 10.62474000 North_German 10.85355241 English_Southeast 11.23342334 Hungarian_Budapest 11.27981383 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar 11.56289324 French 11.71968430 English_Midlands 11.86380630 English 12.06726978 Hungarian 12.27151987 AostaValley 12.35228319 Hungarian_Transylvania 12.41149467 Slovenian
Distance to: Mures_Sighisoara_3 3.55449012 Swiss_German 3.65376518 FRA_Alsace 4.16215089 Swiss_German2 4.90979633 Swiss_French 6.33554260 FRA_Belgica 7.02778059 FRA_Central 7.61938318 South_Dutch 8.26821021 Austrian 8.30698501 German_West 8.83135890 German 9.27918639 French 9.52815827 AostaValley 11.40612993 IT_Trentino 11.65970840 Hungarian_Transdanubia 12.01204396 Dutch 12.15949423 FRA_Armorica 12.40610334 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar 12.42982703 Hungarian_Budapest 12.47817695 Hungarian_Transylvania 12.47875795 Swiss-Italian2 12.81884160 FRA_Septimania 12.88441306 German_East 12.93155056 Hungarian_Szekely 12.97435162 IT_Friuli-VG 13.01392331 Swiss_Italian
Distance to: Brasov_urban_1 5.30186760 Montenegrin 5.42690520 Romania_Transylvania 5.48474247 Romania_Crisana 5.50428924 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia 5.87038329 Romania_Moldavia_South 6.03164986 Romania_Oltenia 6.07109545 Bosniak_Sandzak 6.34213686 Romania_average 6.84748129 Romania_Wallachia 6.85390400 Bulgaria_Southwestern 6.86654935 Hungarian_Szekely 7.05505493 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina 7.16119403 Serb 7.16889810 Serb_Croatia 7.20710067 Serb_Serbia_South&East 7.25671413 Romania_Banat 7.28433937 Serb_Croatia_Lika 7.28998628 Serb_Serbia 7.33480743 Serb 7.51825778 Serb_Serbia_West&Central 7.56121022 Serb_B&H_Herzegovina 7.60723340 Hungarian_Transylvania 7.68179016 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija 7.72230536 Romania_Maramures 7.75199329 Romania_Muntenia
Distance to: Brasov_urban_2 4.84617375 Hungarian_Szekely 5.20783064 Hungarian_Transylvania 5.23229395 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia 5.78799620 Romania_Crisana 5.87176294 Hungarian_Csango 6.20710077 Serb_Croatia_Lika 6.23030497 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina 6.44443946 Serb_Croatia 6.69552089 Serb 6.84582354 Serb 6.86195307 Serb_Serbia 6.88809843 Montenegrin 6.93915701 Serb_Serbia_West&Central 6.94991367 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia 6.96170956 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija 7.00269948 Romania_Transylvania 7.00918683 Romania_Moldavia_South 7.07573318 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper 7.10736941 Romania_Maramures 7.19619344 Bosniak 7.27265426 Croat_Croatia_Istria_&_Kvarner 7.47418892 Serb_B&H 7.48444387 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper 7.51804496 Serb_B&H_Herzegovina 7.63457923 Serb_Serbia_South&East
This is the average of 6 Saxons if anyone needs it
Romania_Transylvania_Saxon,36.95,23.28,17.66,6.80, 11.73,1.51,0.70,0.42,0.11,0.61,0.10,0.01,0.11