Pontic Greek Gedmatch results

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Lol, hypothetical 70% wog and 30% Slavic group won't end up looking looking Slavic, that's for sure xD
Slavic admixture in mainland Greeks is similar to white admixture in Aframs, don't worry, they don't look Anglo.

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Same applies to illyroafram croatians ;) don't worry they don't look anglo(not even westmed :laugh: )

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Originally Posted by Dorian

Same applies to illyroafram croatians ;) don't worry they don't look anglo(not even westmed :laugh: )

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True, Croats don't look Illyrian just like Greeks don't look Slavic.
You are wogs.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

True, Croats don't look Illyrian just like Greeks don't look Slavic.
You are wogs.

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lol no you just admitted wog phenotype=native illyrian in your case is dominant over slavic ,can't turn it around now...you owned yourself.

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Originally Posted by Dorian

lol no you just admitted wog phenotype=native illyrian in your case is dominant over slavic ,can't turn it around now...you owned yourself.

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No retard. Because if we look Illyrian you look Slavic :laugh:
Which you ofcourse don't, neither we do.

You simply don't have enough Slavic blood to look the part, neither we have enough Illyrian blood to look the part.
And yes, I still find it funny how badly Slavic you want to be. I understand it ofc, Slavs are absolutely best people in Europe, luckily I am one.

But if I weren't like you are not, I would secretly want to be one. Maybe in another life, dear.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

No retard. Because if we look Illyrian you look Slavic :laugh:
Which you ofcourse don't, neither we do.

You simply don't have enough Slavic blood to look the part, neither we have enough Illyrian blood to look the part.
And yes, I still find it funny how badly Slavic you want to be. I understand it ofc, Slavs are absolutely best people in Europe, luckily I am one.

But if I weren't like you are not, I would secretly want to be one. Maybe in another life, dear.

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Shove off Barbarian.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

No retard. Because if we look Illyrian you look Slavic :laugh:
Which you ofcourse don't, neither we do.

You simply don't have enough Slavic blood to look the part, neither we have enough Illyrian blood to look the part.
And yes, I still find it funny how badly Slavic you want to be. I understand it ofc, Slavs are absolutely best people in Europe, luckily I am one.

But if I weren't like you are not, I would secretly want to be one. Maybe in another life, dear.

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You just project ,stop trying to "read" me with autistic fantasies ,you fail..we don't share worldview.

The point isn't about us or me ..but how you admitted that wog/afram genetics(like your native ones) are dominant over slavic ones yet you don't apply the same logic to your people.. cause you're such snowflakes that you escape basic genetic laws ,right?

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

The problem is that you keep insinuating that ancient Greeks were more 'northern' shifted than they actually were. You do realize they came from Anatolia, right? And, their admixture was mostly Early Farmer mixed with some Kura-Araxes. Their steppe admixture was extremely minminal, so if we actually got Indo-European language from Yamnaya they didn't effect the admixture much of Greek or Anatolian cultures that picked up IE languages much at all.

Now, modern mainlanders except for Cretans and Greek islanders have completely lost the Kura-Araxes admixture and gained more Yamnaya admixture. When do you think this event occured? I know there is a big lack of ancient Greek samples, and if we have some from even the early AD period we'd be able to confirm or deny certain theories. But I don't know why you would be ashamed to have some slight South Slavic admixture anyways. Many Greeks have Albanian and Bulgarian ancestry, why do you not like the idea of that?

About language and culture - the people who moved into Greece were not 100% Slavs. They were our northern neighbours who already had some Slavic admixture, AKA south Slavs. You seem to think they are the same as a Ukrainian or something, but they're not. The admixture is similar to ours but lacking the Kura-Araxes as I showed before, now you need to stop coming up with conspiracy theories - mainland Greece was never isolated like Iceland so I'm not sure why you're making a comparison.

Honest question here, do you think Greek admixture remained the same during these events?

https://i.imgur.com/EYf0Gfv.gif
https://i.imgur.com/4gxJdOh.gif
https://i.imgur.com/V19gJzO.gif

I doubt it, but I'm open to hear why you don't believe admixture did not change when there is so much evidence it did.

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Myceanaean Greeks we have an idea how they were, it`s that unless newer samples show otherwise. Dorians, assimilation of Thracians and of course actual results of Greeks from northern than Peloponnese. These parameters are needed to know what Greeks were before Slavic invasion.

Slavs invaded swiftly, that`s a fact. They were absolutely like Ukrainians and Poles probably, again samples needed.

Why a need to have Slav/Albanian ancestry? Albanians were so few in numbers historically virtually impossible to have affected more than 0.1%(my non-scientific estimate since I actually don`t pretend to know everything). Is this a fetish or what?

I`m half Northern Thracian aka northernmost Greek so probably this side is the most "Slavic" of all Greeks. Quote the "ashamed" in my posts or I call agenda. I`m interested in facts.

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Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum

Ev13 is not dominant in mainland only, but in all of Greece (aegean islands included) except for Macedonia and Crete, with the latter being the only one with J2 above all haplogroups

anyway, i am not aware about the ancient sample's accuracy to respond to this last one

but certainly Crete is the closest to mycaenean results, with higher steppe than dodecanese and lower than mainland

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Haplogroups among my matches:

https://imgur.com/x7kG7ly.png

E-V13 certainly not dominant in the Dodecanese. And nearly all those E-V13 among my matches are mainlanders, only a very small number of them are 100% islanders. :coffee:

If you have 23andme, you can check distribution of match YDNA here: https://archaichellene.github.io/AncientGreek/ (Not tested much so no guarantee it works for you.)

Of course, it's not perfect, as there are some non-Greek matches or half/quarter/part Greek matches that have some different haplogroups.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

https://www.google.hr/search?q=slavi...EHr3XDUd9dMm6M

I really don't understand why some Greeks deny well documented Slavic settlement in Greece.
Even to this day there are slavophone villages in northern Greece, after all that assimilation.

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I know Slavs invaded Greece. Do you have evidence how many were assimilated? Because I have evidence that a sizable number of them were deported.

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Originally Posted by Konstantinos

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If you're interested in facts, then did you know the commonly predicted population of Albanians (who live in many countries around the Balkans, not just Albania) is around 10 million? Did you know the predicted number of Arvanites that lived in Greece was over 250,000? Please don't pretend like these are small numbers, and stop saying there's an agenda here. It's all facts, you can look it up yourself.