Origin of I2-din. Slavic, Paleo-Balkan or?

Otherwise, highest diversity is found inbetween Romania/Ukraine.

Romanians, Moldavians have a lot of percentage as well.

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Originally Posted by Loki

I'm not so sure about that. The Slavs who entered the Balkan region were likely for the majority carriers of R1a, and they then picked up the I2 when in the Balkans.

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Nope. All ancient I2 din samples we have so far are Slavic, and balkan clades descend from eastern euro clades. No I2-din has been found in pre Slavic Balkan samples.

R1a is too low in Balkans to explain our huge and predominant Slavic autosomal admixture, sorry.

It is Slavic just like I1 is Germanic.

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Originally Posted by Caballero

Otherwise, highest diversity is found inbetween Romania/Ukraine.

Romanians, Moldavians have a lot of percentage as well.

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Ukraine, not Romania or Moldova.
Both S and N cluster have higgest diversity there.

In Balkans Bulgaria has decent diversity sugesting that it entered balkans there with danubian slavs from east europe mostly and not central europe (only 2 clades connect to that region)

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Ukraine, not Romania or Moldova.
Both S and N cluster have higgest diversity there.

In Balkans Bulgaria has decent diversity sugesting that it came from danubian slavs from east europe mostly and not central europe (only 2 clades)

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I am pretty sure Nordvedt estimated that the borders between Romania and Ukraine. There is a possibility Getae and Slavs shared the I2a2-Din among themselves. It's just hypothetical from my side.

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Originally Posted by Caballero

There is a possibility it's a Dacian-Getae marker IMO.

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Absolutely not. Dacians never settled in Croatia.and BiH where I2 din peaks.

We have nothing to do with these people, zero.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Absolutely not. Dacians never settled in Croatia.and BiH where I2 din peaks.

We have nothing to do with these people, zero.

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I am not saying Dacians settled, i am saying they could have well been assimilated by Slavs up there. Atleast, a portion of them.

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Originally Posted by Caballero

I am pretty sure Nordvedt estimated that the borders between Romania and Ukraine. There is a possibility Getae and Slavs shared the I2a2-Din among themselves. It's just hypothetical from my side.

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That was long ago, most recent paper from Ukrainian scientists few years ago puts it in Ukraine and said Balkan (dinS) cluster descends from Dniepr-Carpathian cluster (dinN)

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Originally Posted by Loki

I'm not so sure about that. The Slavs who entered the Balkan region were likely for the majority carriers of R1a, and they then picked up the I2 when in the Balkans.

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i2a-din was found in early medieval East, West and South Slavic samples, so proto-Slavs already had it in their homeland.

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Originally Posted by Caballero

I am not saying Dacians settled, i am saying they could have well been assimilated by Slavs up there. Atleast, a portion of them.

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But it deepest origin is celtic lands, so I would say rather some migration from western europe which blended with R1a proto Balto Slavs and created proto Slavs.

But we will see.

The good stories that i am reading around is that E-V13 is Slavic-Carpathian in origin lol. Zdravljeto.