K36 calculator

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Originally Posted by Dušan

If that not came with Slavs on Balkans, I wonder how I got 4.36%.

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K36 is terrible for determining how much East Eurasian one is. It's almost like commercial DNA tests that show you components like Iberian, East European, Finnish, etc. which can include a shit ton of different things.

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Originally Posted by Leto

No way. K36 is pretty bad for this. The East Eurasian is hidden in some of the components.

# Population Percent
1 North_European 55.73
2 Atlantic_Med 21.14
3 Caucasus 9.54
4 Siberian 6.05
5 Gedrosia 4.39
6 South_Asian 1.62
7 Southwest_Asian 1.53

K36 is not very good IMO, don't know why all you people jumped on it in the spring 2022. It's not like K36 is something, it's been around for almost a decade.

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No it isn't.

Saami people still get 20% Siberian on K36.

What the fuck is Iberian, Italian, French? Big and diverse modern countries. What's the difference between East-Central European and Central European, Near Eastern and East Med, North Atlantic and North Sea, Basque and Iberian? Yeah, the best calculator out there. Give me a fucking break.

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Originally Posted by Leto

K36 is terrible for determining how much East Eurasian one is. It's almost like commercial DNA tests that show you components like Iberian, East European, Finnish, etc. which can include a shit ton of different things.

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Maybe a components are a bit off, but as a whole, it was very good in my case.

https://i.imgur.com/tZXynur.png

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Originally Posted by Dušan

If that not came with Slavs on Balkans, I wonder how I got 4.36%.

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Could be from Cumans, Tatars, Avars, or Huns.

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Originally Posted by Alenka

Could be from Cumans, Tatars, Avars, or Huns.

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Or old Bulgars and Magyars.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Maybe a components are a bit off, but as a whole, it was very good in my case.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/tZXynur.png

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I'm not saying it can't be accurate for some people or that it's not useful at all. But high K calculators are not good for broader racial components.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Or old Bulgars and Magyars.

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Could be. Or it simply could have come already with Slavs.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I'm not saying it can't be accurate for some people or that it's not useful at all. But high K calculators are not good for broader racial components.

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The best example why K13 or K15 are bad calculators is the Ancient North Eurasian ancestry in Europeans.

Primitive calcs such as K13 and K15 can't correctly model ANE ancestry which were much more Northern-shifted than WHG people, but also kinda Eastern, and falsely break them into something like WHG + Siberian.

As a result, it made ANE-rich people, such as Estonians, more Southern-shifted than WHG-rich Lithuanians.

Hungarian user @Universe was modeled as 55.7% Serbian + 44.3% Estonian, or as 59.8% Serbian + 40.2% Lithuanian, which is obviously false because it implies that Estonians are more Southern-shifted than Lithuanians.

https://sun9-40.userapi.com/impf/to4...308&type=album



Needless to say that 'Fennoscandian' on K36 is related to ANE ancestry (but not identical).

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Originally Posted by Russki

The best example why K13 or K15 are bad calculators is the Ancient North Eurasian ancestry in Europeans.

Primitive calcs such as K13 and K15 can't correctly model ANE ancestry which were much more Northern-shifted than WHG people, but also kinda Eastern, and falsely break them into something like WHG + Siberian.

As a result, it made ANE-rich people, such as Estonians, more Southern-shifted than WHG-rich Lithuanians.

Hungarian user @Universe was modeled as 55.7% Serbian + 44.3% Estonian, or as 59.8% Serbian + 40.2% Lithuanian, which is obviously false because it implies that Estonians are more Southern-shifted than Lithuanians.

https://sun9-40.userapi.com/impf/to4...308&type=album

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That still doesn't convince me. I use Dodecad K12b for Russians and adjacent groups as well as for West and Central Asians. Poles for example would normally score zero Siberian/East Asian. The purest Slavs out there. Are they supposed to be low ANE or what? Makes no sense to me.