"35%-55% Ashkenazis are of European Descent"

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Originally Posted by Beorn

I thought you had gone to bed?

Jew trick number one, apparently. :coffee:

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You really like that snarky coffee emoticon.

I'm awake because I have a baby who is teething. I went upstairs, brushed my teeth, and then he decided it was playtime.

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Originally Posted by Hess

Racially questionable by what standard? Sicilians are ethnic Europeans, how they look is irrelevant. Any look that is found in Sicily is part of natural European diversity and I, for one, fail to see the problem with that.

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Didn't you see that Sicilian wog in my post? Does he really fit in the "natural European diversity"? :rolleyes:

I would like to point out that Europe is somewhat subjective, and it was only recently British began to think of themselves as European.

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Originally Posted by Anachronistic

Didn't you see that Sicilian wog in my post? Does he really fit in the "natural European diversity"? :rolleyes:

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That dude can fit in Arabia from Jordan to Yemen honestly. Sicily has very large amount of Arabian admix, from the Central Arabian tribes that settled. Read the Arabian epics which describes the movement into the island.

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Originally Posted by PetiteParisienne

You really like that snarky coffee emoticon.

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It serves my needs as and when :D

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Originally Posted by Mercury

I would like to point out that Europe is somewhat subjective, and it was only recently British began to think of themselves as European.

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LOL! Seriously? Are you speaking politically or racially?

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Originally Posted by Portukalos

You does seem to attach alot of importance to Indo-Europeaness but it comes out Jews are actually closer to Europeans genetically speaking than are Persians or Armenians. It's just that Jews are not a pure bunch composed of pure Semites described in the racialist books of the 19th which are usually politically biased. Modern Jews are mixed with Mediterranean European , Caucasian , and whatsoever blood.

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It should makes sense that I put a lot of emphasis on the European identity in order to qualify as truly European. Its like saying that I need to depend on 2 1s or a 2 and a 0 to make a 2 when adding in mathematics. It would be nonsensical, contradictory, and downright moronic to say otherwise.

Ashkernazi and Sephardic Jews are grouped closer to Mediterranean Europeans, because they have European ancestry. If we are speaking about all variants of Jews then you would be certainly wrong with your assertion that they group with Mediterranean Europeans.


Jews are not merely limited just to the Ashkernazis and Sephardic peoples, and those Ashkernazis and Sephardics are on average a majority of Jewish bloodlines. Therefore they can not be considered Indo-European, and if so only in part. The argument ends here, because if it goes any further there will be a crass defiance of pure logic.

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Originally Posted by Anachronistic

Didn't you see that Sicilian wog in my post? Does he really fit in the "natural European diversity"? :rolleyes:

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"wog" is a purely subjective word that has different meanings for different people. Any native European is automatically part of European diversity, regardless of how he "swarthy" he is.

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Originally Posted by GeistFaust

It is fine, and don't be too self-conscious here. We are glad you are proud of your European descent, and willing to attempt to preserve truly and authentically European cultures, ethnicties, and languages. It is good that you stand only with Europe, and not with anything foreign, and for that your Jewish heritage can be overlooked in part.


That said I do not think I could overlook any other people with partial Non-Indo-European ancestry when it comes to preserving European ancestry. I would not accept a pure Jew or majority Jewish person who wishes to protect and preserve the European identity, because this is unnatural and contradictory with their genetic nature.


But protecting the European identity means preserving in all of its aspects whether it be speaking the language, practicing the modes of conducts, and self-consciously embracing the mentality. Most importantly this mode of protecting the European identity should be done by someone of Indo-European background, because protecting these three modes includes protecting and preserving the Indo-European background from foreign genetic admixture.


This can only be done by people who are of a pure genetic European background, and thus it seems appropriate that people are more closely of genetic European background to want to protect and preserve the other three modes of European identity.


That said certain exceptions can be made, as Goerring's Green laws showed us, and I am more than glad to have you here. We need more educated, charming, and well-behaved individuals to join in the cause, but primarily on the basis they qualify to a great extent on the four modes of European identity.


I just think that it is unnecessary to equate Ashkernazis with Europeans, even if they have partial ancestry, and its not right in the name of the preservation of the European identity to negate their Jewish component or to deny it.

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Cheers, Geist. I think my more lax stance on who is/isn't white/European stems from the fact that my parents aren't of the same nationality, and that I was not born in either of their native countries.
I see secular Ashkenazi Jews who are indistinguishable from Gentiles as 'ok' for the cause because they are, as I said, indistinguishable. My personal view is that if they are not accepted, the cause might be losing valuable assets. A blonde haired blue eyed secular Ashkenazi can secure blonde hair and blue eyes just as well as a blonde haired blue eyed gentile.

do yo guys consider Gypsies as European? I bet no. But I think it has a history behind.

I could get in mind some peoples in Europe who do not fall some criteras like Magyars (Hungarians) who speak a language of foreign origin but history and geno-phenotype (it's obvious Hungarians are European genetically) of Hungary has made it typically Europe in a large Indo-European-speaking lake.

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Originally Posted by Portukalos

do yo guys consider Gypsies as European?

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Of course not.