What is your favorite genetic admixture calculator?

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

There is something wrong with the some of the MDLP calcs. They are suffering from the calculator effect. They make most Irish and Brits German on those. The MDLP K23b seems to be not bad though.

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Which type of Saxons are we though and does it really matter whether it's taxpayers to London or Berlin? That's like complaining because your Basque was written French Basque instead of Spanish Basque, just saying. So, for MDLP K23b, it matches Kent with Friesland and what proud Englishman would complain what side of the North Sea his roots are grouped with, considering that this validates our history with Hengest and Horsa?

Anyway, here is how I parsed my results from Leto's admix requests:

Both Eurogenes K13 and K15 are easy, but Dodecad K12b is pretty hard to work with for this purpose. The results make me seem "Hispanic" and "Latin", LOL, but this Mediterranean DNA is receding because my wife has much less and our children benefit from the ancestry changing along with the Royal Arms, dropping France, picking up Holland and Germany, dropping them and settling down as Anglo-Celtic. My True Ancestry helps illuminate my Gothic descent, which always seems under the radar, because Aquitaine hasn't retained the tribal name, unlike Normandy and Burgundy. This puts the Plantagenets' ties to Aquitaine in perspective, down to when it was made a principality and the base for John of Gaunt's Castilian War. Thing is, I am also descended from the Duke of Lancaster several times on different sides of my family, LOL. Although I am directly paternally Viking-era Norwegian Germanic (matches 1000 Iceland) and maternally pre-Saxon British Celtic (matches Iron Age Cambridgeshire), this is the best I could square up my four grandparents going back patrilineally and matrilineally, relatively speaking:


LIVING DNA


Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.809008


[Paternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandmother]


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.966599


[Paternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandmother]


Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Argyll_1000Genomes + British_Isles_Dodecad + Cataluna_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar @ 1.425753


[Maternal Grandmother + Maternal Grandfather + Paternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandfather]


ANCESTRY DNA


Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Danish + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.475546


[Maternal Grandfather + Paternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandmother]


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Orcadian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.307101


[Maternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandfather]


Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 British_Isles_Dodecad + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Norwegian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.135236


[Maternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandfather + Paternal Grandmother]

I mentioned earlier in the thread that Eurogenes K13 was the best calculator on Gedmatch and they got my mom's Irish heritage correct. MDLP calculators aren't bad either.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.76
2 Baltic 24.52
3 West_Med 12.3
4 West_Asian 6.51
5 East_Med 2.55
6 Amerindian 1.06
7 Northeast_African 0.37
8 East_Asian 0.26
9 Siberian 0.24
10 South_Asian 0.23
11 Oceanian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 1.64
2 Orcadian 1.88
3 West_Scottish 2.32
4 North_Dutch 2.73
5 Danish 3.55
6 Southeast_English 3.71
7 Southwest_English 3.93
8 Norwegian 4.44
9 North_German 5.5
10 Swedish 7.31
11 South_Dutch 8.57
12 West_German 9.6
13 North_Swedish 13.74
14 French 14.08
15 Austrian 14.61
16 East_German 14.84
17 Hungarian 19.18
18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.08
19 Southwest_Finnish 21.84
20 Southwest_French 22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.9% Irish + 29.1% North_Dutch @ 1.31
2 95.6% Irish + 4.4% Hungarian @ 1.37
3 78.8% Irish + 21.2% Danish @ 1.38
4 86% Irish + 14% North_German @ 1.38
5 59.7% Irish + 40.3% Orcadian @ 1.4
6 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Serbian @ 1.4
7 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Bulgarian @ 1.4
8 94.6% Irish + 5.4% Austrian @ 1.41
9 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Romanian @ 1.41
10 92% Irish + 8% West_German @ 1.41
11 80.9% Irish + 19.1% Southeast_English @ 1.42
12 96.9% Irish + 3.1% Croatian @ 1.43
13 95% Irish + 5% East_German @ 1.44
14 96.9% Irish + 3.1% South_Polish @ 1.44
15 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Moldavian @ 1.44
16 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Southwest_Russian @ 1.45
17 97.3% Irish + 2.7% Ukrainian @ 1.46
18 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.46
19 98.1% Irish + 1.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.47
20 98.4% Irish + 1.6% Ashkenazi @ 1.47

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

I mentioned earlier in the thread that Eurogenes K13 was the best calculator on Gedmatch and they got my mom's Irish heritage correct. MDLP calculators aren't bad either.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.76
2 Baltic 24.52
3 West_Med 12.3
4 West_Asian 6.51
5 East_Med 2.55
6 Amerindian 1.06
7 Northeast_African 0.37
8 East_Asian 0.26
9 Siberian 0.24
10 South_Asian 0.23
11 Oceanian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 1.64
2 Orcadian 1.88
3 West_Scottish 2.32
4 North_Dutch 2.73
5 Danish 3.55
6 Southeast_English 3.71
7 Southwest_English 3.93
8 Norwegian 4.44
9 North_German 5.5
10 Swedish 7.31
11 South_Dutch 8.57
12 West_German 9.6
13 North_Swedish 13.74
14 French 14.08
15 Austrian 14.61
16 East_German 14.84
17 Hungarian 19.18
18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.08
19 Southwest_Finnish 21.84
20 Southwest_French 22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.9% Irish + 29.1% North_Dutch @ 1.31
2 95.6% Irish + 4.4% Hungarian @ 1.37
3 78.8% Irish + 21.2% Danish @ 1.38
4 86% Irish + 14% North_German @ 1.38
5 59.7% Irish + 40.3% Orcadian @ 1.4
6 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Serbian @ 1.4
7 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Bulgarian @ 1.4
8 94.6% Irish + 5.4% Austrian @ 1.41
9 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Romanian @ 1.41
10 92% Irish + 8% West_German @ 1.41
11 80.9% Irish + 19.1% Southeast_English @ 1.42
12 96.9% Irish + 3.1% Croatian @ 1.43
13 95% Irish + 5% East_German @ 1.44
14 96.9% Irish + 3.1% South_Polish @ 1.44
15 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Moldavian @ 1.44
16 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Southwest_Russian @ 1.45
17 97.3% Irish + 2.7% Ukrainian @ 1.46
18 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.46
19 98.1% Irish + 1.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.47
20 98.4% Irish + 1.6% Ashkenazi @ 1.47

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She's more Irish than me on that calc. :) A lot closer distance as well.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.79
2 Baltic 25.5
3 West_Med 10.04
4 West_Asian 7.39
5 East_Med 1.64
6 Red_Sea 1.4
7 Amerindian 1.14
8 Siberian 0.89
9 Oceanian 0.16
10 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 2.85
2 Irish 3.05
3 Norwegian 3.4
4 West_Scottish 3.65
5 Danish 3.68
6 Orcadian 3.71
7 North_German 5.21
8 Southeast_English 6.05
9 Southwest_English 6.21
10 Swedish 6.25
11 South_Dutch 10.06
12 West_German 10.91
13 North_Swedish 12.59
14 Austrian 15.02
15 East_German 15.15
16 French 15.82
17 Hungarian 19.32
18 Southwest_Finnish 20.83
19 Spanish_Cataluna 23.19
20 South_Polish 23.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.7% Irish + 45.3% Norwegian @ 2.09
2 53% Norwegian + 47% West_Scottish @ 2.2
3 74.8% Irish + 25.2% Swedish @ 2.35
4 86.9% Irish + 13.1% North_Swedish @ 2.41
5 55.3% North_Dutch + 44.7% Irish @ 2.42
6 67.8% West_Scottish + 32.2% Swedish @ 2.43
7 93.6% Irish + 6.4% Finnish @ 2.46
8 65.9% North_Dutch + 34.1% West_Scottish @ 2.49
9 94.5% Irish + 5.5% East_Finnish @ 2.51
10 92.3% Irish + 7.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.52
11 96.1% Irish + 3.9% Chuvash @ 2.54
12 94.1% Irish + 5.9% La_Brana-1 @ 2.56
13 73.2% Irish + 26.8% North_German @ 2.56
14 96.6% Irish + 3.4% Mari @ 2.59
15 95.7% Irish + 4.3% Erzya @ 2.6
16 94.6% Irish + 5.4% Estonian @ 2.6
17 63.8% West_Scottish + 36.2% North_German @ 2.61
18 82.8% West_Scottish + 17.2% North_Swedish @ 2.61
19 91.2% West_Scottish + 8.8% Finnish @ 2.62
20 62.3% Irish + 37.7% Danish @ 2.62

You should get the G25 for your mum. I'd love to see what's she like on that.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Nordarya

Which type of Saxons are we though and does it really matter whether it's taxpayers to London or Berlin? That's like complaining because your Basque was written French Basque instead of Spanish Basque, just saying. So, for MDLP K23b, it matches Kent with Friesland and what proud Englishman would complain what side of the North Sea his roots are grouped with, considering that this validates our history with Hengest and Horsa?

Anyway, here is how I parsed my results from Leto's admix requests:

Both Eurogenes K13 and K15 are easy, but Dodecad K12b is pretty hard to work with for this purpose. The results make me seem "Hispanic" and "Latin", LOL, but this Mediterranean DNA is receding because my wife has much less and our children benefit from the ancestry changing along with the Royal Arms, dropping France, picking up Holland and Germany, dropping them and settling down as Anglo-Celtic. My True Ancestry helps illuminate my Gothic descent, which always seems under the radar, because Aquitaine hasn't retained the tribal name, unlike Normandy and Burgundy. This puts the Plantagenets' ties to Aquitaine in perspective, down to when it was made a principality and the base for John of Gaunt's Castilian War. Thing is, I am also descended from the Duke of Lancaster several times on different sides of my family, LOL. Although I am directly paternally Viking-era Norwegian Germanic (matches 1000 Iceland) and maternally pre-Saxon British Celtic (matches Iron Age Cambridgeshire), this is the best I could square up my four grandparents going back patrilineally and matrilineally, relatively speaking:


LIVING DNA


Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.809008


[Paternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandmother]


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.966599


[Paternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandmother]


Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Argyll_1000Genomes + British_Isles_Dodecad + Cataluna_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar @ 1.425753


[Maternal Grandmother + Maternal Grandfather + Paternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandfather]


ANCESTRY DNA


Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Danish + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.475546


[Maternal Grandfather + Paternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandmother]


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 Orcadian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.307101


[Maternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandfather]


Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
1 British_Isles_Dodecad + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Norwegian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.135236


[Maternal Grandfather + Maternal Grandmother + Paternal Grandfather + Paternal Grandmother]

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I'm not Saxon as I'm Irish but the MDLP calcs have British Isles pops so people from that areas should at least get closer results to a British/Irish pop or even Northwestern Euro. Some of the calcs obviously are suffering from the calculator effect. I usually much closer to Orcadian and why is Welsh so far from Orcadian?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 49.85
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.49
3 West-Asian 7.3
4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.73
5 Indo-Iranian 1.67
6 Samoedic 1.3
7 Near_East 0.82
8 South-America_Amerind 0.59
9 Arctic-Amerind 0.17
10 Mesoamerican 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German_V (derived) 2.03
2 CEU_V (derived) 2.45
3 Austrian (derived) 3.51
4 Welsh (derived) 4.65
5 German-North (derived) 5.35
6 Hungarian (derived) 5.5
7 CEU (derived) 5.7
8 Swedish (derived) 6.11
9 German (derived) 6.18
10 Slovenian (derived) 6.39
11 British (derived) 6.55
12 Norwegian_V (derived) 6.72
13 Croatian (derived) 7.56
14 Orcadian (derived) 7.59
15 German-South (derived) 8.5
16 Bosnian (derived) 8.6
17 Swedish_V (derived) 9.04
18 Czech (derived) 9.4
19 Serbian (derived) 9.54
20 Croatian_V (derived) 10.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.6% German_V (derived) + 17.4% Norwegian_V (derived) @ 1.49
2 73.6% British (derived) + 26.4% Latvian_V (derived) @ 1.54
3 98.1% CEU_V (derived) + 1.9% West-Asian (ancestral) @ 1.57
4 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Avar (derived) @ 1.58
5 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Lak (derived) @ 1.6
6 96.6% CEU_V (derived) + 3.4% Tabassaran (derived) @ 1.62
7 96.8% CEU_V (derived) + 3.2% Lezgin (derived) @ 1.64
8 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Chechen (derived) @ 1.65
9 82.2% German_V (derived) + 17.8% CEU (derived) @ 1.65
10 76.5% CEU (derived) + 23.5% Latvian_V (derived) @ 1.66
11 97.3% CEU_V (derived) + 2.7% Abhkasian (derived) @ 1.67
12 96.8% CEU_V (derived) + 3.2% NorthOssetian (derived) @ 1.68
13 96.9% CEU_V (derived) + 3.1% Ossetian (derived) @ 1.68
14 79.3% German_V (derived) + 20.7% Welsh (derived) @ 1.68
15 96.5% CEU_V (derived) + 3.5% Balkarian (derived) @ 1.69
16 86.8% German_V (derived) + 13.2% Orcadian (derived) @ 1.69
17 96.6% CEU_V (derived) + 3.4% Adygei (derived) @ 1.7
18 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Kabardinian (derived) @ 1.71
19 51.6% German (derived) + 48.4% British (derived) @ 1.72
20 85.5% German_V (derived) + 14.5% British (derived) @ 1.72

I'm guessing my Goth ancestry from Aquitaine and Spain is shared with Vandal ancestry in Andalusia and Africa. This here is the lowest distance between Eurogenes K13 & K15, Dodecad K12b, but I can assure everyone I am neither 94.1% Southeast_English, nor 5.9% Tunisian, except comparatively speaking, LOL:

ANCESTRY DNA

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		94.1%	Southeast_English	+	5.9%	Tunisian	@	1.13

Regular Oracle admix calculations seem more accurate for primary and mostly so for double digit secondary populations:

LIVING DNA

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	North_Atlantic	48.26
2	Baltic	22.67
3	West_Med	14.33
4	East_Med	6.61
5	West_Asian	3.76
6	Sub-Saharan	1.38
7	Amerindian	0.95
8	Red_Sea	0.79
9	South_Asian	0.73
10	Oceanian	0.28
11	Siberian	0.24

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Southeast_English	3.09
2	South_Dutch	4.44
3	Southwest_English	5.15
4	Orcadian	5.3
5	West_German	5.66
6	North_Dutch	6.17
7	Danish	6.35
8	Irish	6.58
9	West_Scottish	6.64
10	North_German	6.83
11	Norwegian	8.51
12	French	9.19
13	Swedish	10.02
14	Austrian	12.13
15	East_German	12.95
16	North_Swedish	15.15
17	Spanish_Cataluna	16.24
18	Hungarian	16.67
19	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon	17.41
20	Spanish_Galicia	17.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		94.7%	Southeast_English	+	5.3%	Tunisian	@	1.46
2		94.7%	Southeast_English	+	5.3%	Mozabite_Berber	@	1.49
3		94.7%	Southeast_English	+	5.3%	Algerian	@	1.52
4		95%	Southeast_English	+	5%	Moroccan	@	1.67
5		95.8%	Southeast_English	+	4.2%	Egyptian	@	1.81
6		94.9%	Southeast_English	+	5.1%	Algerian_Jewish	@	1.91
7		94.3%	Southeast_English	+	5.7%	Ashkenazi	@	1.94
8		96%	Southeast_English	+	4%	Bedouin	@	1.96
9		69.5%	Norwegian	+	30.5%	Spanish_Valencia	@	1.98
10		95.4%	Southeast_English	+	4.6%	Libyan_Jewish	@	1.99
11		95.3%	Southeast_English	+	4.7%	Tunisian_Jewish	@	1.99
12		93.6%	Southeast_English	+	6.4%	West_Sicilian	@	2
13		76.3%	North_Dutch	+	23.7%	Spanish_Valencia	@	2.01
14		96.6%	Southeast_English	+	3.4%	Yemenite_Jewish	@	2.01
15		69.5%	Norwegian	+	30.5%	Spanish_Murcia	@	2.02
16		95%	Southeast_English	+	5%	Italian_Jewish	@	2.03
17		93.2%	Southeast_English	+	6.8%	Greek_Thessaly	@	2.03
18		94.2%	Southeast_English	+	5.8%	East_Sicilian	@	2.03
19		95%	Southeast_English	+	5%	Sephardic_Jewish	@	2.03
20		75.8%	Danish	+	24.2%	Spanish_Valencia	@	2.04

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	North_Sea	34.8
2	Atlantic	27.02
3	West_Med	11.11
4	Eastern_Euro	9.91
5	Baltic	9.08
6	East_Med	2.73
7	West_Asian	2.23
8	Sub-Saharan	1.1
9	Red_Sea	0.74
10	Amerindian	0.58
11	South_Asian	0.45
12	Northeast_African	0.14
13	Oceanian	0.12

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Southwest_English	3.1
2	Southeast_English	3.99
3	South_Dutch	5.33
4	Danish	5.73
5	North_Dutch	5.82
6	West_Scottish	5.92
7	Irish	5.93
8	Orcadian	6.31
9	West_German	6.37
10	North_German	6.75
11	Norwegian	8.1
12	French	8.88
13	West_Norwegian	9.06
14	Swedish	9.69
15	North_Swedish	11.74
16	East_German	12.16
17	Southwest_Finnish	16.11
18	Austrian	16.21
19	Spanish_Galicia	16.34
20	Spanish_Cataluna	16.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		68.1%	West_Norwegian	+	31.9%	Spanish_Cantabria	@	2.08
2		70%	West_Norwegian	+	30%	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha	@	2.08
3		70.6%	West_Norwegian	+	29.4%	Spanish_Aragon	@	2.21
4		69.9%	West_Norwegian	+	30.1%	Spanish_Valencia	@	2.26
5		71.8%	West_Norwegian	+	28.2%	Spanish_Andalucia	@	2.38
6		69.1%	West_Norwegian	+	30.9%	Southwest_French	@	2.46
7		73.2%	Norwegian	+	26.8%	Spanish_Aragon	@	2.48
8		65.1%	West_Norwegian	+	34.9%	Spanish_Cataluna	@	2.5
9		95.7%	Southwest_English	+	4.3%	Chuvash	@	2.51
10		96.9%	Southwest_English	+	3.1%	MA-1	@	2.52
11		70.9%	Norwegian	+	29.1%	Spanish_Cantabria	@	2.52
12		72.7%	Norwegian	+	27.3%	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha	@	2.53
13		96.3%	Southwest_English	+	3.7%	Mari	@	2.54
14		68.3%	West_Norwegian	+	31.7%	Spanish_Extremadura	@	2.55
15		68.3%	West_Norwegian	+	31.7%	Spanish_Murcia	@	2.58
16		98.6%	Southwest_English	+	1.4%	Mandenka	@	2.65
17		98.6%	Southwest_English	+	1.4%	Bantu_S.E.	@	2.65
18		98.6%	Southwest_English	+	1.4%	Bantu_S.W.	@	2.65
19		98.5%	Southwest_English	+	1.5%	Biaka_Pygmy	@	2.65
20		78.3%	Southwest_English	+	21.7%	West_German	@	2.65

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	North_European	40.95
2	Atlantic_Med	40.49
3	Gedrosia	8.61
4	Caucasus	6.7
5	Southwest_Asian	1.63
6	Sub_Saharan	1.25
7	South_Asian	0.37

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	4.42
2	Kent (1000Genomes)	4.85
3	Dutch (Dodecad)	5.25
4	French (Dodecad)	5.38
5	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	5.46
6	English (Dodecad)	5.5
7	French (HGDP)	5.99
8	Cornwall (1000Genomes)	6.41
9	British_Isles (Dodecad)	6.62
10	British (Dodecad)	6.84
11	Irish (Dodecad)	8.15
12	Argyll (1000Genomes)	8.22
13	Orcadian (HGDP)	8.43
14	Orkney (1000Genomes)	8.66
15	German (Dodecad)	10.22
16	Norwegian (Dodecad)	14.73
17	Swedish (Dodecad)	17.01
18	Hungarians (Behar)	17.25
19	Cataluna (1000Genomes)	18.51
20	Galicia (1000Genomes)	19.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		81.1%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	18.9%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	@	1.53
2		86.3%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	13.7%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	@	1.65
3		86.3%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	13.7%	Sicilian (Dodecad)	@	1.66
4		87%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	13%	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	@	1.73
5		87%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	13%	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	@	1.73
6		89.8%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	10.2%	Cypriots (Behar)	@	1.76
7		88%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	12%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	@	1.78
8		83.7%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	16.3%	C_Italian (Dodecad)	@	1.79
9		80.8%	Dutch (Dodecad)	+	19.2%	Baleares (1000Genomes)	@	1.85
10		55.7%	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	+	44.3%	French (Dodecad)	@	1.85
11		50.7%	Dutch (Dodecad)	+	49.3%	French (Dodecad)	@	1.9
12		58.7%	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	+	41.3%	French (HGDP)	@	1.9
13		90.5%	Kent (1000Genomes)	+	9.5%	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	@	1.91
14		85.2%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	14.8%	Greek (Dodecad)	@	1.91
15		84.3%	English (Dodecad)	+	15.7%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	@	1.94
16		86.1%	Kent (1000Genomes)	+	13.9%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	@	1.94
17		79.8%	Dutch (Dodecad)	+	20.2%	Galicia (1000Genomes)	@	1.94
18		90.6%	Kent (1000Genomes)	+	9.4%	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	@	1.95
19		53.8%	Dutch (Dodecad)	+	46.2%	French (HGDP)	@	1.97
20		88%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	12%	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	@	1.98

ANCESTRY DNA

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	North_Atlantic	48.03
2	Baltic	22.33
3	West_Med	14.47
4	East_Med	6.72
5	West_Asian	4.23
6	Sub-Saharan	1.26
7	Amerindian	0.86
8	Red_Sea	0.77
9	Oceanian	0.42
10	South_Asian	0.38
11	Northeast_African	0.25
12	Siberian	0.19
13	East_Asian	0.1

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Southeast_English	3.23
2	South_Dutch	4.07
3	Southwest_English	5.17
4	West_German	5.24
5	Orcadian	5.52
6	North_Dutch	6.36
7	Danish	6.6
8	Irish	6.71
9	West_Scottish	6.81
10	North_German	6.93
11	Norwegian	8.78
12	French	8.79
13	Swedish	10.29
14	Austrian	12.03
15	East_German	12.96
16	North_Swedish	15.43
17	Spanish_Cataluna	15.88
18	Hungarian	16.58
19	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon	17.05
20	Spanish_Galicia	17.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		94.1%	Southeast_English	+	5.9%	Tunisian	@	1.13
2		94.1%	Southeast_English	+	5.9%	Mozabite_Berber	@	1.18
3		94.1%	Southeast_English	+	5.9%	Algerian	@	1.21
4		94.3%	Southeast_English	+	5.7%	Moroccan	@	1.38
5		95.2%	Southeast_English	+	4.8%	Egyptian	@	1.53
6		94.1%	Southeast_English	+	5.9%	Algerian_Jewish	@	1.61
7		75.1%	North_Dutch	+	24.9%	Spanish_Murcia	@	1.67
8		75.2%	North_Dutch	+	24.8%	Spanish_Valencia	@	1.67
9		94.6%	Southeast_English	+	5.4%	Libyan_Jewish	@	1.69
10		93.5%	Southeast_English	+	6.5%	Ashkenazi	@	1.69
11		92.6%	Southeast_English	+	7.4%	West_Sicilian	@	1.69
12		94.6%	Southeast_English	+	5.4%	Tunisian_Jewish	@	1.7
13		95.4%	Southeast_English	+	4.6%	Bedouin	@	1.72
14		93.3%	Southeast_English	+	6.7%	East_Sicilian	@	1.74
15		68.3%	Norwegian	+	31.7%	Spanish_Murcia	@	1.74
16		94.2%	Southeast_English	+	5.8%	Italian_Jewish	@	1.75
17		94.2%	Southeast_English	+	5.8%	Sephardic_Jewish	@	1.75
18		91.2%	Southeast_English	+	8.8%	Tuscan	@	1.76
19		72.1%	North_Dutch	+	27.9%	Spanish_Cataluna	@	1.77
20		95.4%	Southeast_English	+	4.6%	Jordanian	@	1.79

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	North_Sea	35.78
2	Atlantic	26.3
3	West_Med	11.23
4	Eastern_Euro	9.68
5	Baltic	8.49
6	West_Asian	3
7	East_Med	2.52
8	Sub-Saharan	1.01
9	Red_Sea	0.61
10	Amerindian	0.46
11	Northeast_African	0.45
12	Oceanian	0.28
13	South_Asian	0.21

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Southwest_English	3.29
2	Southeast_English	4.34
3	North_Dutch	5.75
4	Orcadian	5.86
5	Danish	5.91
6	South_Dutch	5.99
7	West_German	6.05
8	West_Scottish	6.09
9	Irish	6.24
10	North_German	7.19
11	Norwegian	7.83
12	West_Norwegian	8.57
13	French	9.23
14	Swedish	9.54
15	North_Swedish	11.83
16	East_German	12.73
17	Spanish_Galicia	16.69
18	Southwest_Finnish	16.69
19	Austrian	16.96
20	Spanish_Cataluna	16.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		70.1%	West_Norwegian	+	29.9%	Spanish_Cantabria	@	2.26
2		71.9%	West_Norwegian	+	28.1%	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha	@	2.28
3		70.1%	West_Norwegian	+	29.9%	Spanish_Extremadura	@	2.46
4		73.6%	West_Norwegian	+	26.4%	Spanish_Andalucia	@	2.53
5		72.7%	West_Norwegian	+	27.3%	Spanish_Aragon	@	2.56
6		67.3%	West_Norwegian	+	32.7%	Spanish_Cataluna	@	2.59
7		70.2%	West_Norwegian	+	29.8%	Spanish_Murcia	@	2.61
8		72%	West_Norwegian	+	28%	Spanish_Valencia	@	2.63
9		73.5%	Southwest_English	+	26.5%	West_German	@	2.64
10		68.4%	West_Norwegian	+	31.6%	Portuguese	@	2.66
11		69.1%	West_Norwegian	+	30.9%	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon	@	2.82
12		52.1%	West_Norwegian	+	47.9%	French	@	2.83
13		96.3%	Southwest_English	+	3.7%	Chuvash	@	2.9
14		98.5%	Southwest_English	+	1.5%	Mbuti_Pygmy	@	2.91
15		98.5%	Southwest_English	+	1.5%	Bantu_N.E.	@	2.91
16		98.5%	Southwest_English	+	1.5%	Luhya	@	2.92
17		82.8%	Southwest_English	+	17.2%	Norwegian	@	2.92
18		98.4%	Southwest_English	+	1.6%	San	@	2.92
19		98.6%	Southwest_English	+	1.4%	Biaka_Pygmy	@	2.92
20		96.9%	Southwest_English	+	3.1%	Mari	@	2.93

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	North_European	40.65
2	Atlantic_Med	40.16
3	Caucasus	8.36
4	Gedrosia	8.29
5	Southwest_Asian	1.12
6	Sub_Saharan	0.75
7	East_African	0.41
8	South_Asian	0.27

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	4.73
2	French (Dodecad)	5.26
3	French (HGDP)	5.76
4	Kent (1000Genomes)	5.91
5	Dutch (Dodecad)	5.92
6	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	6.47
7	English (Dodecad)	6.56
8	Cornwall (1000Genomes)	7.58
9	British_Isles (Dodecad)	7.71
10	British (Dodecad)	8.09
11	Irish (Dodecad)	9.39
12	Argyll (1000Genomes)	9.4
13	Orcadian (HGDP)	9.67
14	German (Dodecad)	9.82
15	Orkney (1000Genomes)	9.88
16	Norwegian (Dodecad)	15.43
17	Hungarians (Behar)	16.4
18	Swedish (Dodecad)	17.53
19	Cataluna (1000Genomes)	18.36
20	Galicia (1000Genomes)	18.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		77.6%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	22.4%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	@	1.22
2		79.5%	Dutch (Dodecad)	+	20.5%	North_Italian (HGDP)	@	1.28
3		82.2%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	17.8%	Greek (Dodecad)	@	1.33
4		77.8%	Cornwall (1000Genomes)	+	22.2%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	@	1.5
5		78.3%	Dutch (Dodecad)	+	21.7%	N_Italian (Dodecad)	@	1.5
6		84.6%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	15.4%	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	@	1.52
7		83.9%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	16.1%	Sicilian (Dodecad)	@	1.58
8		80.7%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	19.3%	C_Italian (Dodecad)	@	1.59
9		86.1%	Kent (1000Genomes)	+	13.9%	Greek (Dodecad)	@	1.6
10		83.9%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	16.1%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	@	1.62
11		84.6%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	15.4%	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	@	1.65
12		63.7%	French (HGDP)	+	36.3%	German (Dodecad)	@	1.66
13		87.9%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	+	12.1%	Cypriots (Behar)	@	1.67
14		80.9%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	+	19.1%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	@	1.71
15		84.7%	English (Dodecad)	+	15.3%	Greek (Dodecad)	@	1.73
16		80.7%	English (Dodecad)	+	19.3%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	@	1.76
17		82.3%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	+	17.7%	Tuscan (HGDP)	@	1.76
18		84.9%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	+	15.1%	Greek (Dodecad)	@	1.77
19		76.7%	Cornwall (1000Genomes)	+	23.3%	Romanians (Behar)	@	1.77
20		83.5%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	+	16.5%	C_Italian (Dodecad)	@	1.77

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Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

I'm not Saxon as I'm Irish but the MDLP calcs have British Isles pops so people from that areas should at least get closer results to a British/Irish pop or even Northwestern Euro. Some of the calcs obviously are suffering from the calculator effect. I usually much closer to Orcadian and why is Welsh so far from Orcadian?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 49.85
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.49
3 West-Asian 7.3
4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.73
5 Indo-Iranian 1.67
6 Samoedic 1.3
7 Near_East 0.82
8 South-America_Amerind 0.59
9 Arctic-Amerind 0.17
10 Mesoamerican 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German_V (derived) 2.03
2 CEU_V (derived) 2.45
3 Austrian (derived) 3.51
4 Welsh (derived) 4.65
5 German-North (derived) 5.35
6 Hungarian (derived) 5.5
7 CEU (derived) 5.7
8 Swedish (derived) 6.11
9 German (derived) 6.18
10 Slovenian (derived) 6.39
11 British (derived) 6.55
12 Norwegian_V (derived) 6.72
13 Croatian (derived) 7.56
14 Orcadian (derived) 7.59
15 German-South (derived) 8.5
16 Bosnian (derived) 8.6
17 Swedish_V (derived) 9.04
18 Czech (derived) 9.4
19 Serbian (derived) 9.54
20 Croatian_V (derived) 10.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.6% German_V (derived) + 17.4% Norwegian_V (derived) @ 1.49
2 73.6% British (derived) + 26.4% Latvian_V (derived) @ 1.54
3 98.1% CEU_V (derived) + 1.9% West-Asian (ancestral) @ 1.57
4 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Avar (derived) @ 1.58
5 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Lak (derived) @ 1.6
6 96.6% CEU_V (derived) + 3.4% Tabassaran (derived) @ 1.62
7 96.8% CEU_V (derived) + 3.2% Lezgin (derived) @ 1.64
8 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Chechen (derived) @ 1.65
9 82.2% German_V (derived) + 17.8% CEU (derived) @ 1.65
10 76.5% CEU (derived) + 23.5% Latvian_V (derived) @ 1.66
11 97.3% CEU_V (derived) + 2.7% Abhkasian (derived) @ 1.67
12 96.8% CEU_V (derived) + 3.2% NorthOssetian (derived) @ 1.68
13 96.9% CEU_V (derived) + 3.1% Ossetian (derived) @ 1.68
14 79.3% German_V (derived) + 20.7% Welsh (derived) @ 1.68
15 96.5% CEU_V (derived) + 3.5% Balkarian (derived) @ 1.69
16 86.8% German_V (derived) + 13.2% Orcadian (derived) @ 1.69
17 96.6% CEU_V (derived) + 3.4% Adygei (derived) @ 1.7
18 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Kabardinian (derived) @ 1.71
19 51.6% German (derived) + 48.4% British (derived) @ 1.72
20 85.5% German_V (derived) + 14.5% British (derived) @ 1.72

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I get you, how it seems every calculator is different, especially when it comes down to single digit noise and I've had a field day analysing both Living DNA and Ancestry DNA to find a basis for consistent ancestry, whilst ignoring the conflicting information, since they both say British Isles and the smaller percentages don't match, so I'm just essentially British Isles and that's fine. The fact that these genes are shared with neighbouring populations, but are identified as British Isles, just strengthens the main blood as one coalesced unit, tangents or not.

@Nordarya, you have distant Jigaboo ancestry, congrats :cool:
Put the Africans banner ✊🏿

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Originally Posted by Leto

@Nordarya, you have distant Jigaboo ancestry, congrats :cool:
Put the Africans banner ✊

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If that's true, then I am Papuan, Puerto Rican, Chuvash, Mari, Ashkenazi, Turk, Cypriot, Jordanian, etc. I challenge you to find them in my family tree. These pie charts and admix calculations are insane. Some say Asian, some say Amerindian, some say African. It all comes and goes, both percentage changes and types of non-Europid, all in the 0-1+% range, depending on app. Eurogenes and Dodecad don't corner the market on admix analysis, you know.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

I'm not Saxon as I'm Irish but the MDLP calcs have British Isles pops so people from that areas should at least get closer results to a British/Irish pop or even Northwestern Euro. Some of the calcs obviously are suffering from the calculator effect. I usually much closer to Orcadian and why is Welsh so far from Orcadian?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 49.85
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.49
3 West-Asian 7.3
4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.73
5 Indo-Iranian 1.67
6 Samoedic 1.3
7 Near_East 0.82
8 South-America_Amerind 0.59
9 Arctic-Amerind 0.17
10 Mesoamerican 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German_V (derived) 2.03
2 CEU_V (derived) 2.45
3 Austrian (derived) 3.51
4 Welsh (derived) 4.65
5 German-North (derived) 5.35
6 Hungarian (derived) 5.5
7 CEU (derived) 5.7
8 Swedish (derived) 6.11
9 German (derived) 6.18
10 Slovenian (derived) 6.39
11 British (derived) 6.55
12 Norwegian_V (derived) 6.72
13 Croatian (derived) 7.56
14 Orcadian (derived) 7.59
15 German-South (derived) 8.5
16 Bosnian (derived) 8.6
17 Swedish_V (derived) 9.04
18 Czech (derived) 9.4
19 Serbian (derived) 9.54
20 Croatian_V (derived) 10.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.6% German_V (derived) + 17.4% Norwegian_V (derived) @ 1.49
2 73.6% British (derived) + 26.4% Latvian_V (derived) @ 1.54
3 98.1% CEU_V (derived) + 1.9% West-Asian (ancestral) @ 1.57
4 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Avar (derived) @ 1.58
5 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Lak (derived) @ 1.6
6 96.6% CEU_V (derived) + 3.4% Tabassaran (derived) @ 1.62
7 96.8% CEU_V (derived) + 3.2% Lezgin (derived) @ 1.64
8 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Chechen (derived) @ 1.65
9 82.2% German_V (derived) + 17.8% CEU (derived) @ 1.65
10 76.5% CEU (derived) + 23.5% Latvian_V (derived) @ 1.66
11 97.3% CEU_V (derived) + 2.7% Abhkasian (derived) @ 1.67
12 96.8% CEU_V (derived) + 3.2% NorthOssetian (derived) @ 1.68
13 96.9% CEU_V (derived) + 3.1% Ossetian (derived) @ 1.68
14 79.3% German_V (derived) + 20.7% Welsh (derived) @ 1.68
15 96.5% CEU_V (derived) + 3.5% Balkarian (derived) @ 1.69
16 86.8% German_V (derived) + 13.2% Orcadian (derived) @ 1.69
17 96.6% CEU_V (derived) + 3.4% Adygei (derived) @ 1.7
18 96.7% CEU_V (derived) + 3.3% Kabardinian (derived) @ 1.71
19 51.6% German (derived) + 48.4% British (derived) @ 1.72
20 85.5% German_V (derived) + 14.5% British (derived) @ 1.72

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Here is a little secret not many people know : MDLP is optimized for Lithuanians and perhaps other Baltic people.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Nordarya

If that's true, then I am Papuan, Puerto Rican, Chuvash, Mari, Ashkenazi, Turk, Cypriot, Jordanian, etc. I challenge you to find them in my family tree. These pie charts and admix calculations are insane. Some say Asian, some say Amerindian, some say African. It all comes and goes, both percentage changes and types of non-Europid, all in the 0-1+% range, depending on app. Eurogenes and Dodecad don't corner the market on admix analysis, you know.

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Well, maybe it's from 200 years ago or so. How much African do you get on Dodecad World9?