Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

Albanians talking about genetics is hilarious.

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Wheres your argument ? its just your nationalism at it again . getting butthurt over facts again .

Whats rather hilarious is Greeks discussing genetics and history . and i can explain . just look at your posts and this retarded nightrider. Youre prob some of the most low IQ members on this forum. Serbs like Europa nazione and Cosmoo are some of the most knowledgeable. you Don't even know what subclades are until you were explained which took time for your low iq brain to understand . im not anti slavic or anti serb or anti greek but its obvious you wish to remove us , you ignore genetic evidence because you don't understand it . everything is biased with you to suit your own cause driven by ultra nationalism .


those ancient balkan samples plot right where albanians plot , east of tuscans / north italians . same ydna's too but you believe they spoke a language to modern slavic ? you must be fucking stupid . they spoke proto Albanian which even though has loaned words has kept its original syntax. even the paleo balkan origin of latinized languages is visible when you compare with Albanian . you might hate us but you certainly can't remove us from the picture . Don't kid yourself.

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Originally Posted by Bardylis

Wheres your argument ? its just your nationalism at it again . getting butthurt over facts again .

Whats rather hilarious is Greeks discussing genetics and history . and i can explain . just look at your posts and this retarded nightrider. Youre prob some of the most low IQ members on this forum. Serbs like Europa nazione and Cosmoo are some of the most knowledgeable. you Don't even know what subclades are until you were explained which took time for your low iq brain to understand . im not anti slavic or anti serb or anti greek but its obvious you wish to remove us , you ignore genetic evidence because you don't understand it . everything is biased with you to suit your own cause driven by ultra nationalism .


those ancient balkan samples plot right where albanians plot , east of tuscans / north italians . same ydna's too but you believe they spoke a language to modern slavic ? you must be fucking stupid . they spoke proto Albanian which even though has loaned words has kept its original syntax. even the paleo balkan origin of latinized languages is visible when you compare with Albanian . you might hate us but you certainly can't remove us from the picture . Don't kid yourself.

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Yeah I do considering you are largely yamnayas speaking a Satem language like slavs and baltics do - looking highly caucasian (do not even go there I have seen plenty of short triangle headed Yamnayas in Greece) where you plot is immaterial...when I first saw you guys in Thessaloniki in 2002-2003 I thought you were Georgians... I actually still think some of you actually are. Does not say some indigenous people have been Albanised for one reason or another. The only people here that are butthurt are Albanians spamming the Greek forum night and day projecting their insecurities unknowing we know exactly what you Yamnayas look like.

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Originally Posted by Bardylis

Wheres your argument ? its just your nationalism at it again . getting butthurt over facts again .

Whats rather hilarious is Greeks discussing genetics and history . and i can explain . just look at your posts and this retarded nightrider. Youre prob some of the most low IQ members on this forum. Serbs like Europa nazione and Cosmoo are some of the most knowledgeable. you Don't even know what subclades are until you were explained which took time for your low iq brain to understand . im not anti slavic or anti serb or anti greek but its obvious you wish to remove us , you ignore genetic evidence because you don't understand it . everything is biased with you to suit your own cause driven by ultra nationalism .


those ancient balkan samples plot right where albanians plot , east of tuscans / north italians . same ydna's too but you believe they spoke a language to modern slavic ? you must be fucking stupid . they spoke proto Albanian which even though has loaned words has kept its original syntax. even the paleo balkan origin of latinized languages is visible when you compare with Albanian . you might hate us but you certainly can't remove us from the picture . Don't kid yourself.

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catpussy still doesn't get what a subclade is.

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

catpussy still doesn't get what a subclade is.

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Subclades are important. Anway, whats the slav subclade for I2?

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Originally Posted by Dick

Subclades are important. Anway, whats the slav subclade for I2?

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I2a1b-Din(I-M423)

Its expansion points from Northeast.

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

catpussy still doesn't get what a subclade is.

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What morons like you do not understand is that SNPs within branches in this case is I-P37 which has not been mentioned once. Some SNPs are branched off an are merely 200 years old now.. slavic yesterday and new ones are Balkan?

It is impossible to determine what is slavic and what is not if you have no idea what the population was in the area pre-800 AD. I think you are an Albanised Slav where your grand daddy got brainfucked behing the walls of communism.. prove it that you werent

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

What morons like you do not understand is that SNPs within branches in this case is I-P37 which has not been mentioned once. Some SNPs are branched off an are merely 200 years old now.. slavic yesterday and new ones are Balkan?

It is impossible to determine what is slavic and what is not if you have no idea what the population was in the area pre-800 AD. I think you are an Albanised Slav where your grand daddy got brainfucked behing the walls of communism.. prove it that you werent

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Much of Greece got fucked over by Medieval Slavic I2a1b-Din + R1a carriers from Poland/Ukraine and today the result we got is catpussy.

End of story.

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

I2a1b-Din(I-M423)

Its expansion points from Northeast.

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I-M423 branched off mostly into western europe through L161.1 and has majority of subclades. :033102st:

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

I-M423 branched off mostly into western europe through L161.1 and has majority of subclades. :033102st:

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And Greeks do not carry the ancestral clade, but the Slavic one(I-CTS10228). Diversity is low.


I2a1b2a1 (I-CTS10228)


http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/I2a1-tree.png

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

And Greeks do not carry the ancestral clade, but the Slavic one. Diversity is incredibly low since it's a rather young clade.


I2a1b2a1 (I-CTS10228)

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Yes Kavala does have some CTS10228 I have no problem with that..now thats a slavic marker.

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

And Greeks do not carry the ancestral clade, but the Slavic one. Diversity is incredibly low since it's a rather young clade.


I2a1b2a1 (I-CTS10228)

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And guess what, Albanians carry more than twice of it than do Greeks

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b9&oe=591E40FA

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

Yes Kavala does have some CTS10228 I have no problem with that..now thats a slavic marker.

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Well, you are a Levantine + Russian mix. It's everywhere.


Unlike me for example who is pretty much northwestern shifted, it simply tells Slavic admixture was minimal in my case:

http://i.imgur.com/3iBRChF.png

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Originally Posted by Sorcelow

It is interesting how its so densely present in Bosnia, Serbia, and Croatia, but are there any explanations as to why there is a large cluster in Albania?

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Tsar Dushans leftovers. Same area is home to many vlachs and is the most ethnically diverse albanian land. Unlike the north where there is extreme ethnic homogeneity

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Originally Posted by Sorcelow

And guess what, Albanians carry more than twice of it than do Greeks

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b9&oe=591E40FA

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Macedonia(Northern Greece) is higher. These samples are 0 Ghegs.

Look at Kosovo or Highlanders from the Albanian Bloodlines project if you want the whole picture for Ghegs, I2 as a whole is not even 4% there.

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

Well, you are a Levantine + Russian mix. It's everywhere.


Unlike me for example who is pretty much northwestern shifted, it simply tells Slavic admixture was minimal in my case:

http://i.imgur.com/3iBRChF.png

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These calculators are nonsense - you are Yamnayas.

I can make myself look anywhich way I want with any given calculator. Greek eastern europe component is as small as you can get it.

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

Macedonia(Northern Greece) is higher. These samples are 0 Ghegs.

Look at Kosovo if you want the whole picture.

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Greek Macedonia has Slavic speakers to this day in some parts, take them out of the mix and the results will match other Greeks. If no Ghegs were used then the study would clearly specify that.

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

These calculators are nonsense - you are Yamnayas.

I can make myself look anywhich way I want with any given calculator. Greek eastern europe component is as small as you can get it.

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Your madre thought nonsense when she was fucked by an Albanian R1b-BY611 dick.

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Originally Posted by Sorcelow

And guess what, Albanians carry more than twice of it than do Greeks

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b9&oe=591E40FA

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Would be interesting to see what the percentage is in fyrom and Bulgaria.

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Originally Posted by Sorcelow

Greek Macedonia has Slavic speakers to this day in some parts, take them out of the mix and the results will match other Greeks. If no Ghegs were used then the study would clearly specify that.

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Check the other samples for Kosovo, is all I will say.

I-P37 is Paleolithic in Balkans does not mean it is Slavic. :picard1:

Lack of I in Balkans = new arrivals from somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

Lack of I in Balkans = new arrivals from somewhere else.

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Lack of Medieval Slavic ancestry*.

Let's not forget R1a which is also Medieval Slavic and not the Scythian Z93 branch. It can reach up to 30% in some Greek areas.

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

Lack of Medieval Slavic ancestry*.

Let's not forget R1a which is also Medieval Slavic and not the Scythian Z93 branch. It can reach up to 30% in some Greek areas.

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*Ottoman settlers from Caucasia.

100+ Gheg samples and only 3 I2a1b-Din, the rest is I1 Goth/Norman and I2c.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups.../about/results

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

*Ottoman settlers from Caucasia.

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Ancient samples from the Balkans proved you wrong again. Low IQ retard nationalist.

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

Ancient samples from the Balkans proved you wrong again. Low IQ retard nationalist.

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Truth will set you free.

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

Ancient samples from the Balkans proved you wrong again. Low IQ retard nationalist.

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Ancient BAlkanites SPOKE a LANGuAge similar to modern Slavic meeen !!!!

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Originally Posted by Trilecce

Tsar Dushans leftovers. Same area is home to many vlachs and is the most ethnically diverse albanian land. Unlike the north where there is extreme ethnic homogeneity

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I dont think it was the result of Serbs but rather of Bulgars. We have to remember that a large portion of Albania was under the First Bulgarian Empire that lasted from the 7th to 11th centuries. The toponyms are also more similar to those found in FYROM and Bulgaria than in Serbia. This area that is now part of Albania was called Kutmichevitsa and played an important role in the formation of Bulgarian state. An important center in this area was Berat, which is derived from "Belgrad"

Even in Korca you can find remnants of these Slavs who are now almost completely Albanized in the villages of Boboshtica and Drenova...

According to German linguist Gustav Weigand, during the first decades of the 20th century, Bulgarian villages Boboschtitza and Drenowo were a Bulgarian linguistic island in Albania.[13] The historian Ivan Snegarov noted in 1934 significant processes of albanization among the local Bulgarians.[4] The majority of the population of the village was Bulgarian until 1960. Then the mass migration of Vlachs began, while the old local population emigrated to the cities in Albania.[14]

According to some scientists Boboshticë and the neighboring Drenovë were the only villages in which the Korča dialect of the Macedonian language was still spoken (as of 1991).[15] According to linguist Xhelal Ylli, following a visit to the village in 2005, only five or six speakers remained living in the village.[16] The dialect is classified as part of Bulgarian dialects by other authors.[17][18][14] Some Bulgarian linguists emphasize that the reflexes of yat in this western Bulgarian dialect is wide, like it is in Eastern Bulgarian dialects.[19][20]

Dhimitër Theodhor Çanço (Tsantso) was a teacher from the village who wrote the historical "Memorandia", a collection of oral transmitted historical facts, as well as documentary facts. The "Memorandia" was written in Greek. The original copy belongs to the person's family. It was copied by two of Canco's nephews and the copy is part of Albanian Archives. In his memoirs, written in Greek, Tcanko defined the local villagers as Orthodox Christians who speak a Bulgarian dialect.[21] Andre Mazon, an expert in Slavic studies, has published an exceptional source of information it in his Documents slaves de l'Albanie de Sud, II, pieces complemetaires (Paris, Institut d'Etudes Slaves, 1965), where Bulgarian scholar Maria Filipova performed the translation from Greek to French.[22]





It is also true that the Aromanians brought a large amount of I2 to the southern Balkans, suggesting that their original homeland is further north.

Paternal and maternal lineages in the Balkans show a homogeneous landscape over linguistic barriers, except for the isolated Aromuns

Link to the study below

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...5.00251.x/full

First of all Slavs were not I2a1 and
Second no group belong to just 1 haplo

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Originally Posted by nightrider+

Because it could still be native Balkanic (maybe northwestern) that rapidly expanded at some point in time. Slavic expansion the way most people imagine it is another bullshit theory that relies on barely any evidence. We know for sure they migrated to Greece/Eastern Roman Empire but we don't know the exact origin of the people that did this. They could very well be similar to modern South Slavs. Even Illyrians, Thracians, Dardanians etc. could have spoken an earlier version of Slavic for all we know.

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You have to options:
1)The mainstream theory of the slavic invasion.
2)Sathas theory about Albanians who overruned Greece until Cyprus.
Illyrians, Thracians, etc, speaking a slavic language, sounds something like Veliki Aleksandrov.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

You have to options:
1)The mainstream theory of the slavic invasion.
2)Sathas theory about Albanians who overruned Greece until Cyprus.
Illyrians, Thracians, etc, speaking a slavic language, sounds something like Veliki Aleksandrov.

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No one knows what proto-Slavs spoke precisely we can only assume it is a Satem Scytho-Iranic influence. They migrated to South Central Balkans peacefully. They got excited through the potential of glory of being emperor of a millenia old succesful empire centuries after their christianization which enabled them to conduct commerce etc with their immediate neighbours. When you are on top everyone tries to take you down which is fair enough...they mingled with locals (they did not migrate to a barron waste land) but they did migrate some 750 years before anything about an Albanian was written.. possibly a combination of a south slavic settler and cuman/pecheneg yamnaya (this is albanians)

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

No one knows what proto-Slavs spoke precisely we can only assume it is a Satem Scytho-Iranic influence. They migrated to South Central Balkans peacefully. They got excited through the potential of glory of being emperor of a millenia old succesful empire centuries after their christianization which enabled them to conduct commerce etc with their immediate neighbours. When you are on top everyone tries to take you down which is fair enough...they mingled with locals (they did not migrate to a barron waste land) but they did migrate some 750 years before anything about an Albanian was written.. possibly a combination of a south slavic settler and cuman/pecheneg yamnaya (this is albanians)

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Lol, Turkish sperm, this is how your compatriots call you. Hahahahah
Halldup.

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Originally Posted by Bardylis

i2a din is a founder effect and its only coincidence its not the slavic r1a.

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You say I am into wishful thinking, yet it is you who call evidences against your theory "coincidence".

This should not be in troll carnival. Please remove and place back in the regular forum sections.

Is the I2 in Romania the same subclade?

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Originally Posted by Dick

Is the I2 in Romania the same subclade?

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ye

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Originally Posted by mongrel

ye

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I'm pretty sure they belong to a different group of I2a-Din but idk

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

I'm pretty sure they belong to a different group of I2a-Din but idk

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i meant they're both i2a M432

423 sorry

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Originally Posted by mongrel

i meant they're both i2a M432

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Oh. But do they belong to the same exact snp/cluster or not?