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It is not true for Serb_Croatia average, and you know it very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
According to this, Serb_Croatia average is shifted toward Sandzak and Montenergro, and that is false.
https://i.imgur.com/nMQODa4.png
Serb_Croatia is related with Serb_Bosnia, not opposite of that, what that diagram tell.
We dont need to look milion Croatian averages every time we run calculator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
I will delete all of them except general Croatian average every time I run this biased calculator.
And what is legit? What some American Mingle say about Serbian autosomal genetics? Or Serbophobe Feiichy?Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
According to this, 70% Krajina Serbs will not get Serb_Croatia as #1, but most probably Bosniak or Croat_Dalmatia or Croat Herzegovina.
Thats what this shitty calculator will tell.
Serbs cluster between Croats and Romanians which is to be excepted with a few Ukranian shifted outliers.
Me, as 100% full Krajina Serb, got Serb_Croatia as #10. Are you all crazy or what?
https://i.imgur.com/san7fYV.jpg
Screw this biased anti-Serb calculator.
Ok brotherQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
https://youtu.be/Kwq9PP_q-IE
Guys, you cannot create averages for every single municipality, that's silly and unnecessary. Serbia is a country of 7 million, Croatia has like 4 or so.
I don't care for your complains, you are some complexed guy obviously. There is nothing biased about my averages, and they are all made of full ethnic Croats plus academic samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
You meanwhile, are using questionable samples from HungryLion and Pribislav to shift Serb average as north as possible just because of your personal scores.
Yeah, with 33% Baltic you will be closer to Croats because Serb average is nowhere near that unless you pull it there artificially.
Deal with it.
Dušan seems autistic and not able to insert newer Serb averages made by Vbnethkio in calc, which are plenty. And Serb Croatia and Krajina is 30% Baltic there, 1% less than Dalmatian Croats. But these guys think they are more northern shifted than us lol. Just ignore them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ljubic
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Originally Posted by Dušan
Don't troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I made averages for historical regions, so far4 for Croatia plus capital city and 3 for BiH. There is nothing wrong in that. Especially with different geography, climate and history each of them has.
Serb new averages haven't been added to calculator yet, that is none of my business.
Don't troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I made averages for historical regions, so far 4 for Croatia plus capital city and 3 for BiH. There is nothing wrong in that. Especially with different geography, climate and history each of them has.
Serb new averages haven't been added to calculator yet, that is none of my business.
Either to insert real Serb_Croatia average, either to delete all regional averages, just to stay general Serb and general Croat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
She made average for Tropolje - rural primitive three municipalities of 30.000 inhabitants.. WTF!?
No, I am with my almost 34% Baltic closer to Serbian general average (5.85) than to Croat general average (7.32)Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
I am also closer to Serbs from Serbia (6.36) than Croats of Croatia (7.76).
Only Croats that are close to me are B&H.
This one Balkanites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUYVHSmIEOM
Real Serb_Croatia average is related to Bosnian Serb average. It is not Sandžak shifted like it is in calculator.
Not need milion Croatian averages in calculator. Only one for B&H Croats, not 4.
Tropolje :lol:
The overall distances are still close between Ex-Yugoslavians
Many south shifted full Croats will end up getting Serb averages on top, who cares?
It doesn't mean they are Serbs, just that their genetic profile is closer to their averages.
I will be doing updates anyway and will probably remove academic samples as we don't really know their real origin.
Also, if new Serb averages have regions like Shopluk I don't see problem with Croatian regions. Or Serb_Dalmatia, do you know how little Serbs live there now?
These silly complains make no sense, Tropolje for example is old historical region just like Bosnia or Herzegovina are.
I have no problem if more Serb averages are added, the more the better.
Tropolje has over 80 thousand peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
And much more people of such origin in Zagreb or diaspora.Quote:
Originally Posted by knez01
I think some people want to pretend all these regions are identical and propagate that, but don't really care for genetics and see sub-regional structure of their population.
Can't believe I am attacked for having many regions, attack if I have too little.
And I put so many hours of hard work into that.
Remember who you're responding to, nothing more than a butthurt tractor :rofl_002:Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Distance of 1.01 is too much? :bounceQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
https://i.imgur.com/UPGgjj8.png
^^^^Looks good, closest to other western Serbs before Croats.
I will probably remove Zagreb average (too many people from all over there) and Split (low quality data and lot of BiH Croats live there), will keep academics from Herzegovina (extremely close to samples I collected) and Bosnia (Žepče, Maglaj), since these regions have local people, never was much immigration from elsewhere to these towns.
Istrian average will be added.
But didn't decide anything yet.
Why not? It is a great idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
As long as they really have samples with 4 grandparents born in one municipality.
And those are regions, not municipalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peterski
Fro example Tropolje on the map, it was stand alone region in medieval (part of Croatia), before being absorbed by rising Bosnian Kingdom. As you can see, proper Bosnia doesn't equal modern Bosnia and Herzegovina.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...govina.svg.png
Tropolje or Završje or Western Regions (Croatian: Zapadne strane) is a historical region in Bosnia and Herzegovina covering a part of the Dinaric Alps. It encompasses territory around karst fields of Livno, Duvno and Glamoč. The wider zone of this region also comprises the fields of Kupres and Bosansko Grahovo. Historically, the region is located on the border of Bosnia, Dalmatia and Herzegovina.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropolje
The total area of the Završje is approximately 4,343 square kilometres (1,680 sq mi). The region is located between Dalmatia to the west, Bosanska Krajina to the north, Central Bosnia to the east and Herzegovina to the south and southeast. Završje has population of 83,541—making the region the most sparsely populated region of Bosnia and Herzegovina at 19.24/km2. Most of the region consists of mountainous terrain separated by karst fields.
Large fields of Livno, Duvno, Glamoč and Kupres are located in the hinterland of the mountain Dinara from the perspective of the eastern Adriatic coast of which they are wider inland. There are also several small or very small karst fields: Grahovsko, Dobransko, Šuičko, Roško, Vukovsko and Planarsko.
The extinction of the Trpimirović dynasty resulted in forming of personal union with Hungary in the 12th century. Mid of the century the Byzantine Empire strengthens once again and conquers the area of Dalmatian cities, Zadinarje's karst fields and a large part of the southern Croatian Kingdom. After death of Manuel I Komnenos, Byzantine Emperor, in 1180 Bosnian ban Kulin expanded the area of its authority to the east and north of the County of Hlivno while County remained in the Croatian Kingdom.
You can send whatever average you want to Lukasz and he'll add it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
feel free to make your "proper" averages, i won't take part in this anymore. i've already seen enough results to know what Serbian genetics are like, my curiosity is satisfied.
i can send you all kits i have, if that's of any use to you.
Please don't leave this forum. Yugoslav genetics are extremely politicized, even minor differences can cause controversy. I agree that those academic samples should be used and everything else is to be discarded. Your Serbian averages are pretty damn solid and undoubtedly much better than what was previously used as reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
I already asked him to insert Krajina Serb average that fit almost every Serb, but there is a strong prejudice that Serbs cannot have over 30% Baltic in K13 calculator.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6615365
I dont care.
For me, its important that I am closer to general Serb average than to general Croat average, as well as closer to Serbs of Serbia than Croats of Croatia.
Thos Southern Herzegovinian Croats I get, are Serb shifted, with very Balkan culture, often hated in Croatia being Serb-like. :)
I don't care about any stupid Nordicism with all that Baltic score. I am ordinary Serb with almost 34% Baltic, so what?
I don't give a shit for Slavicism, too. Only Serbdom is important to me. And my result is natural and average for part of Serbs that I belong.
^^^^You result isn't average, it is on high end of Baltic admixture for Serbs, anything else is a lie. But it isn't atypical and there are plenty of Serbs like you.
General Croat average is 33% Baltic by the way.
NW Croats are 34% Baltic and Central Croatia is 33%.
Southern Croats are between 31-32%. Istria is 30% Baltic.
And no, Herzegovina Croats aren't Serb shifted at all. They are closer to other Croats and they plot more northern than Dalmatian Croats do.
Serb general average is 29%, western Serbs should be 30-31%.
Vbhetkhio average for Croatian Serbs is 30% and that's perfect. Anything more than makes them closer to northern Croats than Dalmatians and Istrians are which is ofcourse laughable.
Average made from samples you received from Pribislav is falsely northern inflated (almost 32% Baltic, lmao), because he sent you fake kits made by HungryLion and also many other kits with extremely high Baltic scores he thinks are Serbs based on surname and he knows absolutely nothing about rest of their ancestry.
Croatian Serbs can be more northern shifted than southern and western Croats only in some parallel reality.
Shut the fuck up already mentally unstable woman!Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
I showed kits for 98% results which I posted here. Unlike me, you mostly say Serb from Lika, Croat from Herzegovina or Serb from Serbia and you write components without kit. How to we bealive that your claims are autentic? On "honorable" ustashian word?
You claimed for Milković Serb from Banija and Neđeljko Zubović Serb from Lika that they are Croatians. Shame on you!
All of them have higher North Atlantic than me and rest of Krajina Serbs.
It is not only Baltic that shift to north.
My N.atlantic is very low.
And in next generation that Baltic will be lower. My kids will not have so much Baltic as I have.
Mix with a Russian woman and your kids will be close to 40% :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
I didn't send any single kit to make Serb averages, but I certanly trust likes of Commonsense, Vbnethkio and Mingle than you.You are extremely biased with agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
And yes, my friend Milković from Lika is a Croat. He studied with me and no wonder I wrongly concluded those are Croats.
Croats you posted here were as southern shifted as you can find them (27-28% Baltic) while you post fake kits from that guy from Banija, tons of most northern shifted Serbs you can find and I never, but never saw you post south shifted Serbs.
Ofcourse average will be wrong because you share only kits you like with Dušan.
You won't send south shifted kits to him or to anyone else even if you get them, we both know it. You're working to make Serb average as north as possible and look down on people with low Baltic results.
I would discard anything coming from you.
Unlike you, I posted plenty of north shifted Serbs I found and even those extremely Baltic shifted ones (38% and such) from Travnik, who are only distantly Polish and except one Croat mixed person can be added on Bosnian Serb average, why not?
You are troll.
And you always posted most Arab/Vlach/Wog shifted Croats for classification you could find while doing opposite for Serbs. So it's no wonder your ''interventions'' pulled Croatian_Serb average north from Dalmatian Croats.
Sorry, I am not interested for Croatian results. 97% my kits were Serb (and Montenegrin), and only few Bosniak and Croatian. Unlike me, you posted tons of Serbian results often without kits. Who is more obsessed, East.1992 with Serbs or Pribislav with Croatians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
You know some Croatian guy with Milković surnames, so what? Serbs and Croatians share tons of same surnames unfortunately. Milković posted here is confirmed Serbs from Banija living in Denmark.
If you posted surnames of all Herzegovinian Croatians from your average I could claim for vast majority they are Serbs, because Herzegovian Croatians share painfully high amount identical surnames with Serbs. But I am not interested to claim Dinaric Croatians as a Serbs because their surnames exist also among Serbs.
Dragutin MilkovićQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Radojka Milković
Milan Milković
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Dragutin
Radojka - ultra Serbian peasant name.
Vbnetkhio's samples for Lika SerbsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
https://i.imgur.com/LLWMMb3.png
^^
There is no Neđeljko Zubović here, who is Lika Serb from Koreničko Vrelo and who is tested as I2-PH908 on SDP (you can check).
This is K13 and kit of Neđeljko Zubović Attachment 97839
Same case is for Milković among Kordun/Banija Serb samples.
Stupid Croat woman,Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
North Atlantic also shift to north, not just Baltic, and my North Atlantic is very low, among the lowest among the all samples.
My result is in range for Serbs and closer to general Serb average than to general Croat average.
Stop talking about Serbian autosomal genetics, it is none of your bussiness. And get out from this topic.
And you know what, I would rather be Anatolian Turk than to have one drop of Croat blood.
No, it is not possible that Serbs are over 30% Baltic, especially in Lika region. Its a lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Serbs are always less than 30% Baltic
Lika Serbs on average probably score the highest Baltic of all Serbs. I have seen more Lika Serb result than what vbnetkhio included in average. Lika Serbs on average score little lower NA than Serbian average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Your result fit very well among Serbs from you native region!
Holy shit you care too much about your average. Even if you would be close to a Slovene average it wouldnt make you less of a Serb. Whats wrong with your selfesteem?
Are you serious? That's preposterous. Bosniensis was right saying that South Slavs are just "religious tribes". Racial differences are minimal. To me as an outsider that's just laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Yes, my result is nothing special, but ordinary Lika Serb result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav