Pontic Greek Gedmatch results

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

Haplogroups among my matches:


If you have 23andme, you can check distribution of match YDNA here:
Of course, it's not perfect, as there are some non-Greek matches or half/quarter/part Greek matches that have some different haplogroups.

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What kind of site is this?there's no home page.. also is there any of filtering of your matches after you upload the data?

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Originally Posted by Dorian

What kind of site is this?there's no home page.. also is there any of filtering of your matches after you upload the data?

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No, I can add more features later. It is all done in Javascript so there's actually no upload. The relatives .csv file can be downloaded from this link: https://you.23andme.com/tools/relatives/download/

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

If you're interested in facts, then did you know the commonly predicted population of Albanians (who live in many countries around the Balkans, not just Albania) is around 10 million? Did you know the predicted number of Arvanites that lived in Greece was over 250,000? Please don't pretend like these are small numbers, and stop saying there's an agenda here. It's all facts, you can look it up yourself.

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Their modern population count is irrelevant ,why mention it? in 1600 albania area had a population of 200k (and not all "albanians" obviously) ,just one century later they were 300k..go burther back ,think about the clan culture and you can understand how they became "homogeneous" or how founder effects could take place.

I agree that we must be objective but there's nothing objective/that has been settled about Arvanites(+Vlachs too) or the origin of albanian language/when it came yet..things could be more complicated than a g25 calculator..I wouldn't like to discuss this further though , just let time show.

What source has Arvanites at 250k though?

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

If you're interested in facts, then did you know the commonly predicted population of Albanians (who live in many countries around the Balkans, not just Albania) is around 10 million? Did you know the predicted number of Arvanites that lived in Greece was over 250,000? Please don't pretend like these are small numbers, and stop saying there's an agenda here. It's all facts, you can look it up yourself.

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Haha now it`s just funny. Modern inflated numbers when talking about Middle Ages. Also omitting the fact that Arvanites lived only in certain areas and many of them left for Italy. Anyone with complete knowledge knows Albanians boomed demographically from an extremely small population. Meanwhile anthropologists have long noted that Tosks look much more "Med" than Ghegs :cool: Certainly Albanians in Greece can be spotted from across the street. Ridiculous :picard2:

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

You have strong Med shift, interesting. Basically half Kavkazian half east med/aegan
Ashkenazi are pretty close to south Italians and Greek Islanders.

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Ashkenazi could just mean Anatolian, since I have seen Jews plotting close to Hittites.

This is quite strange. You lack any East Asian/Siberian contribution, usually for Turks it's between 5-15%, can go up to 22% depending on the person, yet you score close to Turks and even to Azeris.

I'm assuming this is because of noticeable European contribution combined with East Mediterranean heritage. Compared to Armenians/Anatolian-Greeks, Turks score higher European due to Yamnaya heritage. You might not be fully Pontian though since your results are wildly different from others.

The European admixture can't be described with Greek heritage since Greeks themselves are around 30% at best. A fully Pontic person having 20% doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The average there is literally 1%

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

No, I can add more features later. It is all done in Javascript so there's actually no upload. The relatives .csv file can be downloaded from this link: https://you.23andme.com/tools/relatives/download/

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Funny thing is just yesterday I sorted ydna(+mt) of my matches ,browsed them one by one..wondered If there's some tool but didn't bother to search.
Anyways out of almost 1400 matches only around -/+ 10% were relevant to use for both (Greek side from mixed people included)...

N=130
E-v13 23,8%
I2 15,38%
R1b 13,85%
J2 3,84%
J2a 10%
R1a 7,69%
Other E-clades 5,38%
J2b 5,38%
G 4,61%
Ι1 3,84%
J1 2,30%
T 2,30%
L-L595 0,79%
N-M178 0,79%

I could break them apart to subclades but I guess it's meaningless for such size.

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Originally Posted by Konstantinos

I know Slavs invaded Greece. Do you have evidence how many were assimilated? Because I have evidence that a sizable number of them were deported.

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Slavs tried to invade Greece a number of time and were kicked out

Bulgarians who were among the worst and most brutal were fucked by Basil II with his army and since then never tried again

End of story

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

There is no Polish nor Ukranian input in Greece other than recent migrants.

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So then how do you explain the high IBD sharing that Greeks have with Poles and Ukrainians?

https://i.imgur.com/tlLVmNo.png

The graph above was made by a Greek person (Dienekes).

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Originally Posted by SuperDorian

Slavs tried to invade Greece a number of time and were kicked out

Bulgarians who were among the worst and most brutal were fucked by Basil II with his army and since then never tried again

End of story

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Nope