Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

Lmao at my Gf's 0.5x one.

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Target: FellowGF
Distance: 1.6512% / 1.65123802 | ADC: 0.5x
43.0        Romanian_Muntenia
29.0        Romanian_Transylvania
22.4        Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.6        Serbian_new

Target: Fellow
Distance: 3.2128% / 3.21281893 | ADC: 0.5x
48.6        Romanian_Muntenia
19.2        Montenegrin
15.6        Swiss_Italian
14.4        Hungarian
2.2        Serbian_new

Target: FellowGF
Distance: 1.4295% / 1.42945947 | ADC: 0.25x
48.8        Romanian_Muntenia
24.6        Romanian_Transylvania
12.4        Serbian_new
6.8        Macedonian
5.4        Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
1.8        Erzya
0.2        Pima

Target: Fellow
Distance: 2.5725% / 2.57250759 | ADC: 0.25x
57.6        Romanian_Muntenia
23.0        Hungarian
19.0        Swiss_Italian
0.4        Karitiana

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what are we supposed to be lmao-ing at?

Feichy scores high Neolithic farmer compared to me so her opinion is obviously not to be taken seriously unless talking about how to grow tomatoes.


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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i think i was the first to propose that they are descendants of Medieval Croats, and the ones with 28% Baltic are Bunjevac newcomers in a chat with Mingle. Mingle can correct me if i'm wrong. and i still think that. i won't comment on the rest.

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by Dick

what are we supposed to be lmao-ing at?

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You are cordially invited to laugh my ass off.

Her getting 3 regions of Romania as an "oracle".

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Originally Posted by Dick

Mlukasz is it possible to remove the Chamar sample. I don’t like that word.Thank you

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For some private reasons I want to keep this sample...
Maybe I will rename it. What is your proposal?:)

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Originally Posted by Daos777

Feichy scores high Neolithic farmer compared to me so her opinion is obviously not to be taken seriously unless talking about how to grow tomatoes.


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https://i.imgur.com/sRFoNLs.jpg

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

LOL

Croat from Olib scores 0.6% NW Euro.

LMAO

Slovenians/NW Croats score 10-25% usually.

I posted Croats from all over Croatia.
No, Dalmatian Islanders don't have anything to do with them and absolutely never mixed. But Čakavians are genetically not like Vlach-infected Štokavians. That's the secret.
They are what medieval Croats were before Vlachs from Bosnia came. And that's why our medieval language was what they speak.

Stop embarassing yourself.

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Your own posted samples, she's like 2.5x more EE than average dalmatian croat, closest i could find was 40% EE and 2.5% NW, and at such low NW score among nw croats its a lottery how much you inherit.
Medieval southern croats = bosnian(serbs) Modern southern croats = medieval southern croats + kaykavian(real croat) + occasionaly catholic immigrant(be it german,extra slovenian,austrian,hungarian etc)

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

For Morlach cluster I used following Croats:

Zadar and Vrlika (posted by Mingle)
Herzegovina Croat posted by Insuperable
Ljubic father
and one more I can't remember, but he was certified pure southern Croat.

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you should have used the one from Lič too, he is the same as them.
i also found one with the surname Šegota, probably from Senj, he also had such results. the suffix -ota was typical for the pre-Slavic language of the Bunjevci
sadly his kit is lost now after the last Gedmatch fuckup.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

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I hope you don't get upset but you are like those Russkies in denial aka Ukrainians that get anti-Russian to hysterical levels. just as East Slavs are one, Yugoslavs the same, are one, it's only politics and regional pride that put them apart, otherwise you wouldn't have the exact same language.

Serbs are a proud and strong nation, I think everyone would have benefited from a strong united Yugoslavia instead the tiny countries it broke into. I am not Yugo and I like the idea of a big Yugoslavia, imagine how Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Bosnians, Montenegrins would like it too and would favour Yugoslavia, of course with Belgrade as capital.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

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No. There is no average Dalmatian Croat. They range a lot. Because they are not of same origins. Čakavians are usually far more Slavic than Štokavians and guess what, they remained only on islands and some coastal villages. And it's quite laughable to connect medieval Croats with Serbs when Serbs couldn't even understand their language and lived deep in mountains of Raška.

They are about as connected as Germans and Swedish.

Kajkavians aren't original Croats either. They are Croatised Panonnian Slavs.
All relevant medieval Croatian remains are either in north-central Dalmatia or North Adriatic region, written on čakavian dialect.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

you should have used the one from Lič too, he is the same as them.
i also found one with the surname Šegota, probably from Senj, he also had such results. the suffix -ota was typical for the pre-Slavic language of the Bunjevci
sadly his kit is lost now after the last Gedmatch fuckup.

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I used one you posted I think, but not that one. I was considering him, but didn't use him in the end because he is ''officially'' from Gorski Kotar.

Btw I used WestCoast from Posušje as one of guys for Slavic cluster. Also Max Soldo from Livno.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i mean in the k13 oracle on gedmatch?

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# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.42
2 Romanian 4.94
3 Bulgarian 6.37
4 Moldavian 7.25
5 Croatian 9.99
6 Hungarian 10.9
7 Austrian 13.95
8 Greek_Thessaly 15
9 East_German 15.31
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.46
11 South_Polish 17.23
12 Ukrainian 17.59
13 North_Italian 18.31
14 West_German 19.08
15 Tuscan 19.48
16 French 20.16
17 South_Dutch 20.55
18 Polish 20.78
19 Southwest_Russian 20.98
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.07

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

I hope you don't get upset but you are like those Russkies in denial aka Ukrainians that get anti-Russian to hysterical levels. just as East Slavs are one, Yugoslavs the same, are one, it's only politics and regional pride that put them apart, otherwise you wouldn't have the exact same language.

Serbs are a proud and strong nation, I think everyone would have benefited from a strong united Yugoslavia instead the tiny countries it broke into. I am not Yugo and I like the idea of a big Yugoslavia, imagine how Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Bosnians, Montenegrins would like it too and would favour Yugoslavia, of course with Belgrade as capital.

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Well no, if Yugoslavia wasn't a shithole there would be no breakup.
I usually prefer to be in company of more developed nations, not poorer more backwards ones.

And I hope you wan't be offended, but we don't like orthodox people or feel affinity with their culture. You are foreign world for us, no point to deny the obvious.
East Slavs are culturally one, South Slavs are not.

And our language is product of 19th century political agreement between south slavs. Not very relevant for history.

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Originally Posted by Morlak

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.42

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i think this avearege should be added back, as "Serb_Belgrade", because that's what they are.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

No. There is no average Dalmatian Croat. They range a lot. Because they are not of same origins. Čakavians are usually far more Slavic than Štokavians and guess what, they remained only on islands and some coastal villages. And it's quite laughable to connect medieval Croats with Serbs when Serbs couldn't even understand their language and lived deep in mountains of Raška.

They are about as connected as Germans and Swedish.

Kajkavians aren't real Croats either. They are Croatised Panonnian Slavs.
All relevant medieval Croatian remains are either in north-central Dalmatia or North Adriatic region, written on čakavian dialect.

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Of course they range a lot when theyre a mix a of pannonian slavs and bosnians at different ratios, stokavians being closer to bosnians and speaking serbian.
And even if you were right(you arent) and only cakavians are real croats than pretty much most of croatians have nothing(or a large chunk )with the original south slavs, including yourself.

Here is my K15 and my dad's, not sure which calculator is supposed to be the popular one
Mine:
https://i.imgur.com/lfy0sni.png

My dad:
https://i.imgur.com/i200HUi.png

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Well no, if Yugoslavia wasn't a shithole there would be no breakup.
I usually prefer to be in company of more developed nations, not poorer more backwards ones.

And I hope you wan't be offended, but we don't like orthodox people or feel affinity with their culture. You are foreign world for us, no point to deny the obvious.
East Slavs are culturally one, South Slavs are not.

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This post is pure proof of remove Croat for peace in Balkans. There is only room for Eastern Orthodox in the Balkans. Croats can move to Bavaria.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Orthodox Christianity is the oldest Christian tradition and isn't synonymous with Serbia at all. If any historical country should be picked, it would be the Byzantine empire. Shall I remind you that the biggest Eastern Orthodox church is Russian, not Serbian. Also I doubt you have much against Romania, Bulgaria or Greece and how they believe, don't you. So that's definitely the wrong choice of words.

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We have nothing against other orthodox nations except Serbs. But when we say orthodox here we mean Serb orthodoxy.
They kept monopoly over all Orthodox Christians no matter their origins in the region for centuries.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Well no, if Yugoslavia wasn't a shithole there would be no breakup.
I usually prefer to be in company of more developed nations, not poorer more backwards ones.

And I hope you wan't be offended, but we don't like orthodox people or feel affinity with their culture. You are foreign world for us, no point to deny the obvious.
East Slavs are culturally one, South Slavs are not.

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truth is we don't like Catholics either, we have a bad word that translates to something like "popists" (because you've got the Pope, which we don't accept/like).

for my community it goes further - we are old calendar Orthodox (Ruthenians and Lipovans) versus new calendar Orthodox (Romanians) xD

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

And it's quite laughable to connect medieval Croats with Serbs when Serbs couldn't even understand their language and lived deep in mountains of Raška.

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do you agree Bunjevci came to Croatia from the Serbian medieval state, they spoke a Vlachified Serbian language (shtokavian ikavian) and they imposed their culture and language onto the more numerous local Croats?

i'm not being a Chetnik provocator, i'm asking seriously.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

Of course they range a lot when theyre a mix a of pannonian slavs and bosnians at different ratios, stokavians being closer to bosnians and speaking serbian.

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No. Dalmatian Islanders have 0% Panonnian Slavic blood, there was never contact and they lived separated in different countries for centuries, no linguistic influence no nothing.
You can prove us differently and present evidence of NW Croat migration into Dalmatian islands, I will be delighted to read it.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

truth is we don't like Catholics either, we have a bad word that translates to something like "popists" (because you've got the Pope, which we don't accept/like).

for my community it goes further - we are old calendar Orthodox (Ruthenians and Lipovans) versus new calendar Orthodox (Romanians) xD

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Well than stop trying to push idea we should live with easterners. No thanks.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

do you agree Bunjevci came to Croatia from the Serbian medieval state, they spoke a Vlachified Serbian language (shtokavian ikavian) and they imposed their culture and language onto the more numerous local Croats?

i'm not being a Chetnik provocator, i'm asking seriously.

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I don't believe Zahumljani, etc were Serbs. I believe they were separated Slavic tribes. I consider Kosovo-Resava dialect original Serbian language.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

They kept monopoly over all Orthodox Christians no matter their origins in the region for centuries.

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Such as? Serbian Church had authority over territories in which Serbs were present. If you are talking about Vlachs, well its not our fault they weren't able to organize themselves on any level to preserve their identity.

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Originally Posted by Morlak

Such as? Serbian Church had authority over territories in which Serbs were present. If you are talking about Vlachs, well its not our fault they weren't able to organize themselves on any level to preserve their identity.

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Why does Serb Orthodox Church doesn't want to acknowedge Macedonian church?

And I consider typical Serbs genetically Moje Ime and Commonsense.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Why does Serb Orthodox Church doesn't want to acknowedge Macedonian church?

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I dont honestly care about that. I am not religious thus religious questions do not concern me. Neither am i familiar with Laws of Orthodox Church.

double post

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

And I consider typical Serbs genetically Moje Ime and Commonsense.

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Ženo Božja pita sam ga el mu ćaća ima neku babu/prababu Bunjevku i reka mi je da nema.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I don't believe Zahumljani, etc were Serbs. I believe they were separated Slavic tribes. I consider Kosovo-Resava dialect original Serbian language.

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is it even sure that ikavian shtokavian originated from Zahumlje? is there any research about this?

also, Kosovo-Resava is spoken in an area that was originally under the Bulgarian empire, it was conquered by Serbs later, is there any proof that it was spoken on a different territory earlier?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

No. Dalmatian Islanders have 0% Panonnian Slavic blood, there was never contact and they lived separated in different countries for centuries, no linguistic influence no nothing.
You can prove us differently and present evidence of NW Croat migration into Dalmatian islands, I will be delighted to read it.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Genetics >>> Paper trail/family stories/legends
Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

EDIT not this.

From first page of results, 0 values too.

Population
North_Sea 20.31 Pct
Atlantic 11.25 Pct
Baltic 18.23 Pct
Eastern_Euro 28.43 Pct
West_Med -
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 18.13 Pct
Amerindian 3.27 Pct
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

and then such format like above in image

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I got confused in first place because you only had to enter results where there was no direct link between the two sites with a kit number or something like that. Matter of logic.

I found a simple instruction video on youtube. Maybe you can add it to the first page for people who are less experienced with such things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvSnoP1E0JU

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

is it even sure that ikavian shtokavian originated from Zahumlje? is there any research about this?

also, Kosovo-Resava is spoken in an area that was originally under the Bulgarian empire, it was conquered by Serbs later, is there any proof that it was spoken on a different territory earlier?

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Not sure, but most consider realm of Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatnić cradle of ikavian because it's borders corespond with historical spread of ikavian.
This area:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tini%C4%87.png
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kPAP0z5Cv...ialect+map.png

What dialect is originally spoken in upper Podrinje/SE Bosnia and SW Serbia/Northern Montenegro? That should be Serbian core.
From what I know East Herzegovina immigrants came there later.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I don't believe Zahumljani, etc were Serbs. I believe they were separated Slavic tribes. I consider Kosovo-Resava dialect original Serbian language.

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Early medieval historical sources mention them as part of Serbian ethnos. In DAI its clearly stated that Serbs populated those Sclavinians and that they were under influence of main Serbian state under Vlastimirovic dynasty.
What you believe is not relevant.

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Originally Posted by Morlak

Early medieval historical sources mention them as part of Serbian ethnos. In DAI its clearly stated that Serbs populated those Sclavinians and that they were under influence of main Serbian state under Vlastimirovic dynasty.
What you believe is not relevant.

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DAI is written reflecting political situation. At time it was written Serbia controlled these lands. And DAI doesn't mentions Dukljani have anything to do with Serbs for example.
It also mentions Serbs got their name from Byzatines. It is not to be taken literally and no serious historian does.

Prince of Zahumlje mentions his origins from Vistula, and White Serbs have no connection with that area.
There is also mention of separate Slavic tribe Neretljani in Paganija, which was absorbed by Croatia later.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

is it even sure that ikavian shtokavian originated from Zahumlje? is there any research about this?

also, Kosovo-Resava is spoken in an area that was originally under the Bulgarian empire, it was conquered by Serbs later, is there any proof that it was spoken on a different territory earlier?

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Nobody know where ikavian reflex was created.
Medieval stećci from East Herzegovina are ikavian and partly ikavian. Charter of Vuk Branković is ikavian. In Šumadija on the grave from 14th century are written ikavian words "Stipan" and "bilig", look here (around middle) http://www.politika.rs/sr/clanak/387...stom-spomeniku

It seems ikavian reflex in the middle age was widespread in the wider Balkan region, Prilep is mentioned as Prilip in some sources.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

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Sorry, proper Dalmatian Croats shift towards Eastern Europe.

K13:

http://i.imgur.com/VUyg11e.png


K15:

http://i.imgur.com/QdmS8WH.png

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

DAI is written reflecting political situation. At time it was written Serbia controlled these lands. And DAI doesn't mentions Dukljani have anything to do with Serbs for example.
It also mentions Serbs got their name from Byzatines. It is not to be taken literally and no serious historian does.

Prince of Zahumlje mentions his origins from Vistula, and White Serbs have no connection with that area.
There is also mention of separate Slavic tribe Neretljani in Paganija, which was absorbed by Croatia later.

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DAI clearly mentions that Serbs settled those areas not that it was jut under our political control.

Quote from DAI "Now, after some time these same Serbs decided to depart to their own homes, and the emperor sent them off. But when they had crossed the river Danube, they changed their minds and sent a request to the emperor Heraclius, through the military governor then holding Belgrade, that he would grant them other land to settle in. And since what is now Serbia and Pagania and the so-called country of the Zachlumi and Terbounia and the country of the Kanalites were under the dominion of the emperor of the Romans, and since these countries had been made desolate by the Avars (for they had expelled from those parts the Romani who now live in Dalmatia and Dyrrachium), therefore the emperor settled these same Serbs in these countries"

DAI may not be flawless but it is the only historical source that talks about South Slavs in such precision. Also there is other sources that mentions Serbs populated those parts of Dalmatia such as Royal Frankish Annals by Einhard from 8th century.