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03-13-2020, 07:22 PM
Rocinante

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Target: Juan
Distance: 1.6439% / 0.01643945 | ADC: 0.25x
27.6 Gaul
23.6 Siculi
19.8 Nordic_Celt
18.6 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
7.8 Chartaginian
2.6 TZA_Pemba_600BP

Target: Juan
Distance: 1.6223% / 0.01622295
32.0 Siculi
28.2 Nordic_Celt
16.2 Gaul
12.4 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
7.4 Chartaginian
3.2 TZA_Pemba_600BP
0.6 Medieval_Slav

Le ves algun sentido? :lmao me parece un poco desacertado e inutil esta calculadora.
03-13-2020, 07:23 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Para los españoles que hayais hecho 23andme, en Ancestry Composition ¿tenéis algún cromosoma que esté completamente (en su totalidad o casi totalidad) calificado como de una zona concreta ("italiano", "francés", "NW", sardo, british isles, etc? No sé si es lo normal pero yo tengo 3 cromosomas (el 100% de su longitud) calificados como NW, entiendo que será algo relativamente normal en bastantes españoles (porque mis medias en todas las calculadoras recuerdo que eran las típicas de los españoles) pero quiero confirmarlo porque me parece algo curioso). No me acuerdo bien pero estos 3 cromosomas eran siempre de la parte de arriba de cada par (es decir, interpreto que son todos o bien herencia de mi vía paterna o vía materna exclusivamente) y eran algo así como el cromosoma 12, el 14 o estaban relativamente juntos (ya lo miraré mejor).

Yo sólo tengo un 8% de NW, la mayoría "Broad European" y sin tener ningún antepasado foráneo en siglos, me parece poco lógico tener 3 cromosomas en su totalidad como NW. ¿Acaso en docenas de recombinaciones durante siglos, ¿no se habría "partido" e intercalado con otros orígenes? ¿Por qué se mantiene tan intacto después de tantos siglos de recombinaciones?

Mera curiosidad pero a ver si a los demás os pasa lo mismo.

Tengo un 15.6% NW, lo más llamativo es que mi británico e italiano se ubica en el segundo alelo del primer cromosoma. El SSA relevante segundo y tercer cromosoma. Porcentaje sardo en el 15.

https://i.imgur.com/ETBy71n.png
03-13-2020, 07:28 PM
mitalit

Target: Xabier
Distance: 1.5662% / 0.01566231
33.8 AngloSaxon
30.4 Chartaginian
21.6 Nordic_Celt
9.6 Hellenic_Roman
4.6 Shardana

Target: Xabier
Distance: 1.5937% / 0.01593680 | ADC: 0.25x
32.8 Chartaginian
31.6 AngloSaxon
17.8 Nordic_Celt
10.4 Gaul
7.4 Hellenic_Roman
03-13-2020, 07:31 PM
mitalit

https://i.gyazo.com/38bfbd17d616d673...48a005e8a4.png
03-13-2020, 07:35 PM
PT Tagus

Target: PT_Tagus
Distance: 1.1215% / 0.01121546
44.0 Gaul
18.4 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
15.8 Ancient_Egyptian
9.4 Medieval_Collegno_Germanic
7.2 Nordic_Sweden
4.0 TZA_Pemba_600BP
1.2 Medieval_Slav

Target: PT_Tagus
Distance: 1.1353% / 0.01135324 | ADC: 0.25x
43.4 Gaul
21.8 Medieval_Collegno_Germanic
16.4 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
14.6 Ancient_Egyptian
2.6 TZA_Pemba_600BP
1.2 Medieval_Slav

Target: PT_Tagus
Distance: 1.2215% / 0.01221539 | ADC: 0.5x
45.8 Gaul
25.4 Medieval_Collegno_Germanic
17.2 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
11.6 Ancient_Egyptian

Code:

Distance to: PT_Tagus 0.02021707 Gaul 0.02377583 Preroman_ItaloCeltic 0.02420720 Medieval_Collegno_Germanic 0.03528706 Levantine_Roman 0.03685691 Chartaginian 0.03985735 AngloSaxon 0.04026919 Nordic_Celt 0.04080430 Nordic_Sweden 0.04436982 Siculi 0.04571871 Medieval_Slav 0.04663267 Hellenic_Roman 0.04692139 Nordic_Norse 0.05854031 Ancient_Egyptian 0.06429810 Shardana 0.06561151 Partic_Iranic 0.07436700 TZA_Pemba_600BP 0.07743346 KEN_IA_Deloraine
03-13-2020, 09:08 PM
Pedro Ruben

Target: Pedro
Distance: 0.9819% / 0.00981884
33.0 Nordic_Celt
25.0 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
22.0 Chartaginian
10.2 Medieval_Slav
7.4 Ancient_Egyptian
2.2 KEN_IA_Deloraine
0.2 TZA_Pemba_600BP

Target: Pedro
Distance: 0.9976% / 0.00997573 | ADC: 0.25x
30.8 Nordic_Celt
26.8 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
20.0 Chartaginian
9.8 Medieval_Slav
6.8 Ancient_Egyptian
4.4 Gaul
1.4 KEN_IA_Deloraine
03-13-2020, 10:10 PM
PT Tagus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Para los españoles que hayais hecho 23andme, en Ancestry Composition ¿tenéis algún cromosoma que esté completamente (en su totalidad o casi totalidad) calificado como de una zona concreta ("italiano", "francés", "NW", sardo, british isles, etc? No sé si es lo normal pero yo tengo 3 cromosomas (el 100% de su longitud) calificados como NW, entiendo que será algo relativamente normal en bastantes españoles (porque mis medias en todas las calculadoras recuerdo que eran las típicas de los españoles) pero quiero confirmarlo porque me parece algo curioso). No me acuerdo bien pero estos 3 cromosomas eran siempre de la parte de arriba de cada par (es decir, interpreto que son todos o bien herencia de mi vía paterna o vía materna exclusivamente) y eran algo así como el cromosoma 12, el 14 o estaban relativamente juntos (ya lo miraré mejor).

Yo sólo tengo un 8% de NW, la mayoría "Broad European" y sin tener ningún antepasado foráneo en siglos, me parece poco lógico tener 3 cromosomas en su totalidad como NW. ¿Acaso en docenas de recombinaciones durante siglos, ¿no se habría "partido" e intercalado con otros orígenes? ¿Por qué se mantiene tan intacto después de tantos siglos de recombinaciones?

Mera curiosidad pero a ver si a los demás os pasa lo mismo.

https://i.imgur.com/7tleNCc.png

Solo componente del noroeste de Europa

https://i.imgur.com/WRaMCvm.png
03-14-2020, 08:29 AM
Rocinante

Modelando a los españoles con mi nueva calculadora:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico

Code:

Anatolian_Farmer,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437 Lapa_Do_Santo,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413 Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028,0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377 Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254 Shahr_e_Sukhteh,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305 Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0.0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844 Kura_Araxes,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602 Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534 Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556 Western_Hunter_Gatherer,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045 Yamnaya,0.1259169,0.0887318,0.0428032,0.1164425,-0.028236,0.045529,0.0036719,-0.002279,-0.0558095,-0.0715732,0.0009742,-0.0003934,-0.0019885,-0.025529,0.0362032,0.0160764,-0.0005869,-0.0012038,-0.0038966,0.0149446,-0.0022928,6.19e-05,0.0112925,0.0189332,-0.0039516 Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe,0.0896355,0.1327805 ,-0.0780642,-0.0667802,-0.0437002,-0.0196618,0.0098702,-0.0065768,-0.035178,-0.0030977,0.0051965,-0.0013113,-0.0006317,-0.0019613,-0.0046145,0.0036128,0.00088,0.0022802,0.0032995,-0.0063468,0.0045232,-0.0033388,-0.00835,-0.0118992,0.0006588 Kolyma_Meso,0.046667,-0.344264,0.090509,0.045543,-0.08063,-0.023148,-0.048882,-0.053075,-0.007363,-0.025149,0.006983,-0.007343,0.014717,-0.025598,-0.020901,-0.003315,0.00339,0.008868,0.016592,0.01038,0.002745,-0.022752,0.010723,0.009037,0.011855 Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152 Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314,0.0016048

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 3.2087% / 0.03208694
54.8 Anatolian_Farmer
28.6 Yamnaya
11.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 3.8775% / 0.03877483
56.0 Anatolian_Farmer
29.0 Yamnaya
12.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 5.0397% / 0.05039651
53.6 Anatolian_Farmer
28.2 Yamnaya
13.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Baleares
Distance: 2.8392% / 0.02839217
56.2 Anatolian_Farmer
31.8 Yamnaya
10.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
1.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 2.7741% / 0.02774114
52.4 Anatolian_Farmer
27.2 Yamnaya
9.8 Iberomaurusian
9.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.8 Gambian
0.4 Yoruba

Target: Spanish_Cantabria
Distance: 3.7804% / 0.03780365
55.2 Anatolian_Farmer
29.4 Yamnaya
13.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
1.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Distance: 3.3697% / 0.03369666
56.2 Anatolian_Farmer
29.0 Yamnaya
12.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 3.7313% / 0.03731316
53.0 Anatolian_Farmer
30.0 Yamnaya
11.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
5.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 3.2926% / 0.03292635
54.0 Anatolian_Farmer
29.8 Yamnaya
13.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 2.8877% / 0.02887674
53.8 Anatolian_Farmer
29.8 Yamnaya
11.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
5.4 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 3.2045% / 0.03204476
53.2 Anatolian_Farmer
30.2 Yamnaya
11.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 3.0738% / 0.03073777
60.0 Anatolian_Farmer
22.8 Yamnaya
16.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
1.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Murcia
Distance: 2.7416% / 0.02741587
55.6 Anatolian_Farmer
28.2 Yamnaya
11.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.2 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Lapa_Do_Santo

Target: Spanish_Navarra
Distance: 4.4511% / 0.04451141
56.0 Anatolian_Farmer
28.4 Yamnaya
13.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.0 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 5.1622% / 0.05162207
55.6 Anatolian_Farmer
26.8 Yamnaya
17.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Spanish_Valencia
Distance: 3.3077% / 0.03307671
55.2 Anatolian_Farmer
29.2 Yamnaya
13.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.6 Iberomaurusian

Se nota que mis ancestros son del occidente iberico.
03-14-2020, 08:46 PM
Gota_type_

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnortedelsur

No soy full Espanol, pero creo que en mi caso, la mayor parte (no todo) de tres de mis cromosomas (en el primer, séptimo y onceavo par de cromosomas) es NW European.

Aqui:

https://i.imgur.com/QI6YzYY.png

Sí, ya veo. Me parece raro que después de cientos de años pueda haber cromosomas que sean completamente supuestamente de una zona. En mi caso pone "Broad NW European", es decir, que no es técnicamente ni British ni French. No me pasa con las otras categorías como Italian o Broad SW European.

Ahora acabo de mirar y en mi caso es el 4º, 12, y 20 cromosoma. Son totalmente NW, es decir, sin ninguna otra aportación. Y eso que sólo tengo un 8% de NW en total, el resto SW European. Bueno, y un 0.1 East Asian, supongo que de alguno de los pueblos germánicos que ya venían con su aportación urálica. Pero este 0.1% me deja en un 99.9% European, joer con los chinos, siempre tocando los huevos. Aunque está claro que no hay que tomar lo de las etiquetas demasiado en serio pues ya vemos lo rápido que las cambian y las califican de otra forma (como el NorthAfrican tan conocido que hace 2 años era más común en los españoles en 23andme y ahora ha desaparecido bastante.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Tengo un 15.6% NW, lo más llamativo es que mi británico e italiano se ubica en el segundo alelo del primer cromosoma. El SSA relevante segundo y tercer cromosoma. Porcentaje sardo en el 15.

https://i.imgur.com/ETBy71n.png

Tienes muy altos el French & German. ¿Tienes algún antepasado relativamente reciente de esas zonas? Y el 0.9% Nigerian? Si eres español 100% quizá tuvieras algún antepasado que se fue a Cuba o a algún país americano de cuando las encomiendas y luego volvieron algunos de sus descendientes. A saber.
03-14-2020, 08:55 PM
Gota_type_

Quote:

Originally Posted by PT Tagus

https://i.imgur.com/7tleNCc.png

Solo componente del noroeste de Europa

https://i.imgur.com/WRaMCvm.png

A eso me refiero. Tienes el cromosoma 20 prácticamente totalmente NW, y buena parte de los otros 2 también. ¿Cómo puede ser que un cromosoma completo o casi completo sea de una zona ajena a la Península Ibérica si la mayoría de los que estamos en la Península Ibérica no tenemos antepasados extranjeros como mínimo en 500-600 años (y posiblemente muchos más)?.

Por cierto, por lo que he leído sí hubo portugueses que trajeron esclavos negros a Portugal. ¿Eso está estudiado bien? ¿Se sabe exactamente en qué fechas fue y a qué zonas se llevaron más esclavos? Es algo que nos suele diferenciar a españoles y portugueses. España no trajo esclavos a la España peninsular, salvo casos muy, muy concretos, y raros. ¿Qué cantidad de esclavos se llevaron a Portugal y por qué eran necesarios en tu país?
03-14-2020, 09:00 PM
Gota_type_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0

https://i.gyazo.com/38bfbd17d616d673...48a005e8a4.png

El 0.7% Scandinavian? Es muy raro que a algún español le salga Scandinavian. Normalmente los pueblos escandinavos-germánicos que vinieron a España los suelen meter dentro de Broad NW o Broad European, pues a fin de cuentas viajaron por muchos países antes de llegar a España. Así que es raro por qué te asignan a ti directamente Scandinavian. Por cierto, a 3 de los que hemos puesto lo de 23andme nos sale el cromosoma 20 como totalmente NW. Aquí debe haber algún motivo real que justifique tanta coincidencia.
03-14-2020, 09:02 PM
Rocinante

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

A eso me refiero. Tienes el cromosoma 20 prácticamente totalmente NW, y buena parte de los otros 2 también. ¿Cómo puede ser que un cromosoma completo o casi completo sea de una zona ajena a la Península Ibérica si la mayoría de los que estamos en la Península Ibérica no tenemos antepasados extranjeros como mínimo en 500-600 años (y posiblemente muchos más)?.

Por cierto, por lo que he leído sí hubo portugueses que trajeron esclavos negros a Portugal. ¿Eso está estudiado bien? ¿Se sabe exactamente en qué fechas fue y a qué zonas se llevaron más esclavos? Es algo que nos suele diferenciar a españoles y portugueses. España no trajo esclavos a la España peninsular, salvo casos muy, muy concretos, y raros. ¿Qué cantidad de esclavos se llevaron a Portugal y por qué eran necesarios en tu país?

Ni 23andme ni hostias, sacaros el G25.
03-14-2020, 09:05 PM
mitalit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

El 0.7% Scandinavian? Es muy raro que a algún español le salga Scandinavian. Normalmente los pueblos escandinavos-germánicos que vinieron a España los suelen meter dentro de Broad NW o Broad European, pues a fin de cuentas viajaron por muchos países antes de llegar a España. Así que es raro por qué te asignan a ti directamente Scandinavian. Por cierto, a 3 de los que hemos puesto lo de 23andme nos sale el cromosoma 20 como totalmente NW. Aquí debe haber algún motivo real que justifique tanta coincidencia.

En la mayoría de test genéticos me suele tirar mas al norte de Europa que a un español típico, pero mi 23andme es bastante normal para un español. Igual tengo un antepasado "reciente" escandinavo o algo así pero ni idea.
03-14-2020, 09:08 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Tienes muy altos el French & German. ¿Tienes algún antepasado relativamente reciente de esas zonas? Y el 0.9% Nigerian? Si eres español 100% quizá tuvieras algún antepasado que se fue a Cuba o a algún país americano de cuando las encomiendas y luego volvieron algunos de sus descendientes. A saber.

Todos españoles (extremeños), eso pensé yo pero lo más probable es que sea un componente traido por los norteafricanos como mi haplogrupo paterno por otro lado.
Tambien el G25 me hace cosas raras con una puntuación asiática/india que yo la denomino "gitana" pero quizá sea solo ruido ancestral.
03-14-2020, 09:14 PM
mitalit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Todos españoles (extremeños), eso pensé yo pero lo más probable es que sea un componente traido por los norteafricanos como mi haplogrupo paterno por otro lado.
Tambien el G25 me hace cosas raras con una puntuación asiática/india que yo la denomino "gitana" pero quizá sea solo ruido ancestral.

23andme te detecta algo en portugal?
03-14-2020, 09:27 PM
Gota_type_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0

En la mayoría de test genéticos me suele tirar mas al norte de Europa que a un español típico, pero mi 23andme es bastante normal para un español. Igual tengo un antepasado "reciente" escandinavo o algo así pero ni idea.

Pues honestamente o bien tienes algún antepasado escandinavo en los últimos siglos o bien tienes antepasados de donde se asentaron los visigodos inicialmente (Tierra de Campos por ejemplo) y fruto de que en esos pueblos de Tierra de Campos se han mezclado entre ellos han conservado mejor la "pureza" de los primeros godos. A saber. Quizá comprando el Tier1 de gedmatch y en Triangulation puedas encontrar algunos matches de Escandinavia en algunos segmentos.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Todos españoles (extremeños), eso pensé yo pero lo más probable es que sea un componente traido por los norteafricanos como mi haplogrupo paterno por otro lado.
Tambien el G25 me hace cosas raras con una puntuación asiática/india que yo la denomino "gitana" pero quizá sea solo ruido ancestral.

Pero es que además especifica claramente que es Nigerian. Si fuera norteafricano típico pondría solo Norteafricano (como le pasa a otros españoles) y sabiendo que el norteafricano de los españoles es básicamente una forma de etiquetar segmentos comunes entre poblaciones antiguas caucasoides, y sabiendo que los moros no empezaron a mezclarse con subsaharianos hasta el S.XII-XIII (y, por tanto, ellos no traerían el subsahariano a España), pues puede ser que alguno de tus antepasados extremeños fuera algún conquistador de América del S.XVI-XVII y que se mezclaran por allí alguna rama y que luego volvieran al cabo de 3-4 generaciones a Extremadura. A saber.
03-14-2020, 09:37 PM
mitalit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Pues honestamente o bien tienes algún antepasado escandinavo en los últimos siglos o bien tienes antepasados de donde se asentaron los visigodos inicialmente (Tierra de Campos por ejemplo) y fruto de que en esos pueblos de Tierra de Campos se han mezclado entre ellos han conservado mejor la "pureza" de los primeros godos. A saber. Quizá comprando el Tier1 de gedmatch y en Triangulation puedas encontrar algunos matches de Escandinavia en algunos segmentos.

Pero es que además especifica claramente que es Nigerian. Si fuera norteafricano típico pondría solo Norteafricano (como le pasa a otros españoles) y sabiendo que el norteafricano de los españoles es básicamente una forma de etiquetar segmentos comunes entre poblaciones antiguas caucasoides, y sabiendo que los moros no empezaron a mezclarse con subsaharianos hasta el S.XII-XIII (y, por tanto, ellos no traerían el subsahariano a España), pues puede ser que alguno de tus antepasados extremeños fuera algún conquistador de América del S.XVI-XVII y que se mezclaran por allí alguna rama y que luego volvieran al cabo de 3-4 generaciones a Extremadura. A saber.

Puede ser, mi ascendencia viene de valladolid y salamanca
03-14-2020, 09:59 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Pero es que además especifica claramente que es Nigerian. Si fuera norteafricano típico pondría solo Norteafricano (como le pasa a otros españoles) y sabiendo que el norteafricano de los españoles es básicamente una forma de etiquetar segmentos comunes entre poblaciones antiguas caucasoides, y sabiendo que los moros no empezaron a mezclarse con subsaharianos hasta el S.XII-XIII (y, por tanto, ellos no traerían el subsahariano a España), pues puede ser que alguno de tus antepasados extremeños fuera algún conquistador de América del S.XVI-XVII y que se mezclaran por allí alguna rama y que luego volvieran al cabo de 3-4 generaciones a Extremadura. A saber.

Buf ni idea, pero no soy el único puntuando en SSA, tengo a varias personas en relatives. Para resumir, dos portugueses y al final un gallego, parece ser algo moruno ya que el occidente peninsular contiene la mayor carga. Quizá solo tenga dificultades para separar el norte de África, a saber.

https://i.postimg.cc/L6LN6cgh/Portug...a-1-1-Beja.png
https://i.postimg.cc/Qdqmccb3/Portug...-Relva-1-1.png
https://i.postimg.cc/V6pMvCcy/ACorunha.png
03-14-2020, 11:07 PM
Gallop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Nicol...20Unscaled.htm

Target: Alejandro
Distance: 1.6142% / 0.01614208 | ADC: 0.25x
47.8 Chartaginian
26.0 AngloSaxon
17.0 Medieval_Slav
5.0 Hellenic_Roman
4.2 KEN_IA_Deloraine

Target: Alejandro
Distance: 1.6026% / 0.01602562
42.6 Chartaginian
23.6 AngloSaxon
15.8 Medieval_Slav
6.2 KEN_IA_Deloraine
5.4 Hellenic_Roman
3.4 Shardana
3.0 Nordic_Norse

Con esta calculadora

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jiczDqkmd...aulGALLOP.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3hErqp6x5...gaulMULTI.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--PEKS69ym...distancia.jpeg

Íhkillo keh eh lo keh ha poío pahá a-hí. Tié alguna relahió con la yegá de mi dny, egunto?
03-14-2020, 11:17 PM
Duffmannn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Pues honestamente o bien tienes algún antepasado escandinavo en los últimos siglos o bien tienes antepasados de donde se asentaron los visigodos inicialmente (Tierra de Campos por ejemplo) y fruto de que en esos pueblos de Tierra de Campos se han mezclado entre ellos han conservado mejor la "pureza" de los primeros godos. A saber. Quizá comprando el Tier1 de gedmatch y en Triangulation puedas encontrar algunos matches de Escandinavia en algunos segmentos.

Pero es que además especifica claramente que es Nigerian. Si fuera norteafricano típico pondría solo Norteafricano (como le pasa a otros españoles) y sabiendo que el norteafricano de los españoles es básicamente una forma de etiquetar segmentos comunes entre poblaciones antiguas caucasoides, y sabiendo que los moros no empezaron a mezclarse con subsaharianos hasta el S.XII-XIII (y, por tanto, ellos no traerían el subsahariano a España), pues puede ser que alguno de tus antepasados extremeños fuera algún conquistador de América del S.XVI-XVII y que se mezclaran por allí alguna rama y que luego volvieran al cabo de 3-4 generaciones a Extremadura. A saber.

Hubo esclavos negros en Extremadura hasta el siglo XIX.

http://www.canalextremadura.es/alaca...sclavos-070416

https://www.elperiodicoextremadura.c...os_403011.html
03-14-2020, 11:43 PM
Rocinante

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gallop

Con esta calculadora

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jiczDqkmd...aulGALLOP.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3hErqp6x5...gaulMULTI.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--PEKS69ym...distancia.jpeg

Íhkillo keh eh lo keh ha poío pahá a-hí. Tié alguna relahió con la yegá de mi dny, egunto?

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Intenta esa.

Por cierto, no me hables en andaluz tan cerrado, que no se te entiende.
03-14-2020, 11:52 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duffmannn

Hubo esclavos negros en Extremadura hasta el siglo XIX.

http://www.canalextremadura.es/alaca...sclavos-070416

https://www.elperiodicoextremadura.c...os_403011.html

"Sin embargo, según se deduce de ocho años de investigación, el índice de nacimientos no era muy elevado dado que las mujeres "conocían su situación y no querían que sus hijos vivieran en un contexto de marginación social".
03-15-2020, 05:28 AM
Cristiano viejo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duffmannn

Hubo esclavos negros en Extremadura hasta el siglo XIX.

http://www.canalextremadura.es/alaca...sclavos-070416

https://www.elperiodicoextremadura.c...os_403011.html

Dejó de traficarse con negros a finales del 1600s, y en todo ese siglo sólo se vendieron 88 negros

La distribución de las ventas y los poderes, en periodos de diez años, a lo largo del siglo es la siguiente:

Años Ventas Poderes Total
1610-1619 8 1 9
1620-1629 18 5 23
1630-1639 4 2 6
1640-1649 8 4 12
1650-1659 5 2 7
1660-1669 3 1 4
1670-1679 16 2 18
1680-1689 4 1 5
1690-1699 3 1 4
TOTAL 69 19 88

https://chdetrujillo.com/el-comercio...os-caballeros/
03-15-2020, 06:00 AM
alnortedelsur

Se me olvidaba... mi madre Espanola:

https://i.imgur.com/rMlmaPI.png
03-15-2020, 01:01 PM
Defcon2

De otro foro.

Code:

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Mongolian,0.0516758,-0.3278128,0.0638842,-0.0265506,-0.045916,-0.0297298,0.014242,0.0177686,-0.0009406,0.008966,-0.0321206,-0.0031172,-0.000327,-0.0007432,0.0032574,0.0006894,-0.0033898,0.0001014,0.0042236,0.0090292,-0.021537,-0.0095706,-0.0186106,0.0002652,0.0007422 Indian:Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.180641,0.120157,-0.097557,0.065539,0.0047,0.009461,0.035996,0.026789,-0.002273,0.003747,-0.005649,0.007982,0.003529,0.003182,0.008736,0.001647,0.000126,-0.002001,0.001373,-0.008161,0.000246,-0.001928,-0.008023 Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314,0.0016048

Mi antepasado gitano, negro, ruso y chino me robaron porcentaje uropeo respecto a otros íberos, exijo una compensación económica o inmunidad ante el coronavirus.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.8027% / 0.04802733
91.0 European
4.2 Iberomaurusian
1.8 KHG
1.4 Indian
1.2 SSA
0.4 East_Asian
03-15-2020, 01:23 PM
Rocinante

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

De otro foro.

Code:

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European:Baltic_LVA_HG,0.1292603,0.1004104,0.1802636,0.1972329,0.1064236,0.0560919,0.0083574,0.0207106,0.0524476,-0.0261394,-0.0046788,-0.0181151,0.0281434,-0.0053759,0.0355759,0.0480141,0.003072,0.0040856,-0.0059236,0.042325,0.0613526,0.0130531,-0.0262979,-0.1110549,0.0095949 Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534 CHG:GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036 KHG:RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.129855,0.2101663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383 Iranic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254 Anatolian_Near_East:Anatolia_Barcin_C,0.114961,0.147252,-0.037335,-0.062339,-0.005847,-0.01506,-0.00094,-0.010384,-0.011249,0.025878,0.009581,0.013638,-0.014569,-0.006468,-0.009365,-0.012463,0.009909,-0.006841,-0.002765,-0.011255,0.003369,0.008656,-0.005053,-0.002048,-0.011137 Natufian:Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287 SSA:TZA_Pemba_600BP,-0.616921,0.066009,0.021119,0.011305,0.004001,0.013108,-0.00987,0.016153,-0.020248,0.002187,0.000812,0.007943,-0.014717,0.003165,-0.019272,0.005304,-0.014212,0.00266,-0.006034,0.006503,0.004118,0.003957,0.001849,0.005663,0.003233 SSA:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246 SSA:Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028,0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377 East_Asian:Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315 Siberian:Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556 Siberian:West_Siberia_N,0.1058555,-0.060424,0.0974855,0.199292,-0.082631,0.045738,-0.0419495,-0.0471905,-0.0334395,-0.09212,0.0194865,-0.0106405,0.0273535,-0.071908,0.0259225,0.01664,-0.01356,-0.0065875,-0.000377,0.0032515,-0.0301345,0.0109435,0.024095,0.0074705,-0.010119 Amerindian:USA_WA_Kennewick,0.046667,-0.307705,0.109742,0.08721,-0.100634,-0.019801,-0.220675,-0.261681,-0.01268,-0.017677,0.001949,0.000599,0.001784,0.012524,-0.010043,0.010209,0.007302,0.005701,0.01345,0.005002,0.000499,-0.008532,-0.002342,0.001566,-0.001676 Armenoid:Kura-Araxes_ARM_Talin,0.104717,0.128972,-0.067882,-0.04845,-0.054779,-0.002231,0.00658,-0.000231,-0.048472,-0.005467,0,0.009591,-0.017245,-0.000963,-0.000271,-0.001591,0.016559,-0.00266,-0.001508,0.003001,0.002745,0.003091,0.010846,-0.006025,-0.004311 Mongol: Mongolian,0.0516758,-0.3278128,0.0638842,-0.0265506,-0.045916,-0.0297298,0.014242,0.0177686,-0.0009406,0.008966,-0.0321206,-0.0031172,-0.000327,-0.0007432,0.0032574,0.0006894,-0.0033898,0.0001014,0.0042236,0.0090292,-0.021537,-0.0095706,-0.0186106,0.0002652,0.0007422 Indian:Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.180641,0.120157,-0.097557,0.065539,0.0047,0.009461,0.035996,0.026789,-0.002273,0.003747,-0.005649,0.007982,0.003529,0.003182,0.008736,0.001647,0.000126,-0.002001,0.001373,-0.008161,0.000246,-0.001928,-0.008023 Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314,0.0016048

Mi antepasado gitano, negro, ruso y chino me robaron porcentaje uropeo respecto a otros íberos, exijo una compensación económica o inmunidad ante el coronavirus.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.8027% / 0.04802733
91.0 European
4.2 Iberomaurusian
1.8 KHG
1.4 Indian
1.2 SSA
0.4 East_Asian

Target: Alejandro_scaled
Distance: 2.2737% / 0.02273698
93.4 European
6.6 Iberomaurusian

53.0 European:Anatolia_Barcin_N
32.2 European:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.2 European:WHG
6.6 Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt

Joder macho... Me estas quitando protagonismo en el exotisismo de los resultados geneticos entre españoles, te odio :(. Bueno aun te queda enfretarte con el Nordo-Vasconico astronauta.
03-15-2020, 02:15 PM
mitalit

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 3.7378% / 0.03737831
96.4 European
3.4 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Mongolo

me sorprende que solo sea un 0,2 mongolo
03-15-2020, 02:16 PM
Gallop

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.7196% / 0.03719622 | ADC: 0.25x
83.6 European
13.4 Anatolian_Near_East
3.0 Iberomaurusian

Se ve algo pero seguramente serán resultados que sólo sirven para cada selección concreta no el todo porque para eso harían falta miles de muestras en la calculadora.

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.7196% / 0.03719558 | ADC: 0.25x
50.4 European
24.4 Anatolian_Farmer
14.0 Anatolian_Near_East
8.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
3.0 Iberomaurusian
03-15-2020, 02:18 PM
PT Tagus

Target: PT_Tagus_scaled
Distance: 3.7875% / 0.03787528
83.4 European
8.4 Anatolian_Near_East
3.4 Iberomaurusian
2.8 SSA
2.0 Natufian
03-15-2020, 03:29 PM
Pedro Ruben

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.9167% / 0.03916710
91.6 European
6.4 Iberomaurusian
2.0 SSA

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 4.1382% / 0.04138178 | ADC: 0.25x
81.6 European
11.6 Anatolian_Near_East
5.8 Iberomaurusian
1.0 SSA
03-15-2020, 03:52 PM
PT Tagus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Ruben

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.9167% / 0.03916710
91.6 European
6.4 Iberomaurusian
2.0 SSA

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 4.1382% / 0.04138178 | ADC: 0.25x
81.6 European
11.6 Anatolian_Near_East
5.8 Iberomaurusian
1.0 SSA

sou mais ni**a do que tu. :D
03-15-2020, 03:59 PM
Pedro Ruben

Quote:

Originally Posted by PT Tagus

sou mais ni**a do que tu. :D

Acho que de ni** temos valores semelhantes :p, eu tenho mais Iberomaurusian que tem mistura SSA. O que tu tens mais alto são os valores do medio oriente :p
03-15-2020, 04:33 PM
Gota_type_

Pues yo soy de Galicia, que es donde se supone que tenemos supuestamente más NorthAfrican, y por tanto, también se debería ver el subsahariano, y por lo menos los que he visto yo de por aquí la mayoría no da nada norteafricano y menos subsahariano. Yo no tengo nada de ambos en 23andme. En el K36 sí sale pero en el K36 salen asignaciones muy raras en muchas partes de Europa (desde Escandinavos con sangre amerindia a ingleses con sangre norteafricana).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Buf ni idea, pero no soy el único puntuando en SSA, tengo a varias personas en relatives. Para resumir, dos portugueses y al final un gallego, parece ser algo moruno ya que el occidente peninsular contiene la mayor carga. Quizá solo tenga dificultades para separar el norte de África, a saber.

https://i.postimg.cc/L6LN6cgh/Portug...a-1-1-Beja.png
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico

Anatol75266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048

Intenta esa.

Por cierto, no me hables en andaluz tan cerrado, que no se te entiende.

Os leo a varios escribiendo mucho sobre el G25, en 2-3 líneas me puedes decir en qué consiste, qué utilidad tiene y cómo hacerlo?
03-15-2020, 04:42 PM
Rocinante

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gallop

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.7196% / 0.03719622 | ADC: 0.25x
83.6 European
13.4 Anatolian_Near_East
3.0 Iberomaurusian

Se ve algo pero seguramente serán resultados que sólo sirven para cada selección concreta no el todo porque para eso harían falta miles de muestras en la calculadora.

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.7196% / 0.03719558 | ADC: 0.25x
50.4 European
24.4 Anatolian_Farmer
14.0 Anatolian_Near_East
8.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
3.0 Iberomaurusian

Gallop usa la mia! En la que te quotee!
03-15-2020, 04:44 PM
Gota_type_

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnortedelsur

Se me olvidaba... mi madre Espanola:

https://i.imgur.com/rMlmaPI.png

Tiene tu madre el NW European bastante alto (un 20%) y varios cromosomas (especialmente el 1) que son totalmente NW European. Es lo que me sorprende, el ver que después de tantos siglos sin aportaciones foráneas haya cromosomas que sean completamente de otro lugar. En el resto de cromosomas le pasa lo que a mí, que hay mezclados componentes de distinto tipo, pero es llamativo cómo la integridad de un cromosoma (o varios) pueda ser foráneo después de siglos de recombinaciones sin aportes extranjeros.

Y el 0.7% askenazi jewish está claro que es el mismo error que con el "northafrican", es un tema de etiquetas. Entre otras cosas porque en España no hubo lo que se llama "askenazi" sino sefardíes, y porque la grandísima mayoría fueron expulsados. Así que seguramente han calificado como "askenazi" algunos segmentos que en realidad son puramente propios nuestros y que lo que tienen los judíos cuando se hacen pruebas de ADN es en realidad sangre española, y no al revés.

Pero es interesante ver cómo varían los componentes en las distintas zonas de España y, sobre todo, cuanto más alejados de la zona vasca menos % de "Spanish" y cuanto más acercados más % de Spanish. Para q luego digan de los vascos, son la referencia principal utilizada para identificar el "Spanish".
03-15-2020, 04:46 PM
Rocinante

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Pues yo soy de Galicia, que es donde se supone que tenemos supuestamente más NorthAfrican, y por tanto, también se debería ver el subsahariano, y por lo menos los que he visto yo de por aquí la mayoría no da nada norteafricano y menos subsahariano. Yo no tengo nada de ambos en 23andme. En el K36 sí sale pero en el K36 salen asignaciones muy raras en muchas partes de Europa (desde Escandinavos con sangre amerindia a ingleses con sangre norteafricana).

Os leo a varios escribiendo mucho sobre el G25, en 2-3 líneas me puedes decir en qué consiste, qué utilidad tiene y cómo hacerlo?

Como diria el user AlfonsoVIII: Es la polla en bicicleta.

El G25 es una herramienta que consiste en 25 coordenadas que puedes utilizar para modelaciones, dicho de otra manera, para comparar con otras poblaciones usando las respectivas muestras que sacan los catedraticos, genetistas, foreros frikis de anthrogenica o eurogenes, etc.

Ahora mismo, es lo mas fiable, porque se te actualiza a cada rato, tus G25 nunca van a cambiar pero saldran mas G25 de poblaciones antiguas o modernas con las cuales quien compararte. Mira por ejemplo la que esta sacando la peña ahora mismo, para mi, la mas util, que es la de poblaciones antiguas.

Para sacarla solo necesitas 12 EUR en paypal y mandar un correo a eurogenesblog@gmail.com pidiendole el G25.

Lo de ser de Galicia y marcar SSA en el K36, pues yo tambien lo marcaba, como 1% y ya con el G25 que es una mejor herramienta, desaparece. Es cuestion de usar calculadoras mas actualizadas, fijate que yo soy 2.5/4 gallego, 0.5/4 asturiano y 1/4 siciliano, y no marco SSA, lo mas probable que eso se te desaparezca.
03-15-2020, 04:53 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Pero es interesante ver cómo varían los componentes en las distintas zonas de España y, sobre todo, cuanto más alejados de la zona vasca menos % de "Spanish" y cuanto más acercados más % de Spanish. Para q luego digan de los vascos, son la referencia principal utilizada para identificar el "Spanish".

De la zona pirenaica-atlántica en Francia muy cerca de la referencia ibérica, 95.2%.

https://i.postimg.cc/SNsw-cvbW/aquitano.png
03-15-2020, 05:02 PM
Gota_type_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico

Como diria el user AlfonsoVIII: Es la polla en bicicleta.

El G25 es una herramienta que consiste en 25 coordenadas que puedes utilizar para modelaciones, dicho de otra manera, para comparar con otras poblaciones usando las respectivas muestras que sacan los catedraticos, genetistas, foreros frikis de anthrogenica o eurogenes, etc.

Ahora mismo, es lo mas fiable, porque se te actualiza a cada rato, tus G25 nunca van a cambiar pero saldran mas G25 de poblaciones antiguas o modernas con las cuales quien compararte. Mira por ejemplo la que esta sacando la peña ahora mismo, para mi, la mas util, que es la de poblaciones antiguas.

Para sacarla solo necesitas 12 EUR en paypal y mandar un correo a eurogenesblog@gmail.com pidiendole el G25.

Lo de ser de Galicia y marcar SSA en el K36, pues yo tambien lo marcaba, como 1% y ya con el G25 que es una mejor herramienta, desaparece. Es cuestion de usar calculadoras mas actualizadas, fijate que yo soy 2.5/4 gallego, 0.5/4 asturiano y 1/4 siciliano, y no marco SSA, lo mas probable que eso se te desaparezca.

Se agradece pero creo que voy a pasar. Parece ser que le tienes q mandar todo el RAW data de 23andme a este tipo. Si ya tocaba un poco las narices que tu análisis genético lo tuviera una compañía, menos gracia me hace q lo tenga un particular. Y no, en K36 me salía Northafrican, en subsahariano nada. Por lo q recuerdo también me salía bastante alto el Siberian.

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De la zona pirenaica-atlántica en Francia muy cerca de la referencia ibérica, 95.2%.

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El de la derecha es un francés? Y lo califican como "Spanish"? Debe ser un vasco francés seguro.
03-15-2020, 05:08 PM
Defcon2

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Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Se agradece pero creo que voy a pasar. Parece ser que le tienes q mandar todo el RAW data de 23andme a este tipo. Si ya tocaba un poco las narices que tu análisis genético lo tuviera una compañía, menos gracia me hace q lo tenga un particular. Y no, en K36 me salía Northafrican, en subsahariano nada. Por lo q recuerdo también me salía bastante alto el Siberian.

El de la derecha es un francés? Y lo califican como "Spanish"? Debe ser un vasco francés seguro.

Deberías sacar tus propias coordenadas, es muy útil y me interesaría saber tus componentes antiguos principales. Es posible que encuentres muchas cosas reveladoras.

Y sí, es un francés muy vasco (zona pirenaica atlántica, si lo buscas verás que es), diría que supera en vasquidad a la mayoría del País Vasco sin despeinarse.
03-15-2020, 05:15 PM
Gota_type_

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Deberías sacar tus propias coordenadas, es muy útil y me interesaría saber tus componentes antiguos principales. Es posible que encuentres muchas cosas reveladoras.

Y sí, es un francés muy vasco (zona pirenaica atlántica, si lo buscas verás que es), diría que supera en vasquidad a la mayoría del País Vasco sin despeinarse.

Lo pensaré pero creo que no lo terminaré haciendo. Quizá este año salgan nuevas calculadoras y se puedan utilizar sin tener que enviar todo tu ADN a un tipo (sino por ejemplo poner tus datos del K13 o del K36 o semejantes).

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