Yeah, a very "generic" European woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
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Yeah, a very "generic" European woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
It is clearly related to Slavic influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
Target
Distance
Early_Slavic
Paleo-Balkan
Celto-Germanic
Romanian_Oltenia
20.80872007
•
26.6
41.6
31.8
Romanian_Muntenia
6.25150294
•
39.4
60.6
0.0
Romanian_Wallachia_average
5.16934099
•
40.8
59.2
0.0
Romanian_Transylvania
3.99351012
•
43.6
54.2
2.2
Romania_Moldavia_average
4.41312612
•
48.6
51.0
0.4
Romania_Moldavia_North
5.47147665
•
51.2
48.8
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_South
3.46293368
•
45.2
52.8
2.0
Romanian_Botosani
4.99569033
•
62.8
37.2
0.0
Romanian_Oltenia
5.36833037
•
37.6
57.0
5.4
Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
4.83004795
•
48.6
51.4
0.0
Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
4.45633980
•
58.2
39.0
2.8
Romanian_Muntenia
4.55229505
•
38.2
61.8
0.0
Romanian_Transylvania
4.18880475
•
40.2
53.4
6.4
Romanian_Average
4.21909393
•
49.4
50.6
0.0
Average
5.87008662
•
45.0
51.3
3.6
Out of these Romanian samples my father's Croat sample is closest to those which are more Slavic, also his ratio is 63% Slavic and 37% Paleo-Balkan, like Botosani:
4.38525940 Romanian_Botosani
6.92769803 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
8.41460635 Romania_Moldavia_North
Interesting are these results from Romanian Moldova, and they kinda prove my old theory about this region. Many don't see, but here exist two distinctive genetic clusters. To understand more, you need to put this map in this position.
https://sun9-55.userapi.com/SXpKm2VA...Gs3VyQXsjg.jpg
Thanks. I wonder if that's actually Golden Horde era input. She's exactly 3.5% East Eurasian on Dodecad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Siberian 1.52 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.98 Pct
East_Asian 1.00 Pct
I remember what you wrote about your minor EE back in the day (Orhei burial or something like that).
Romanians aren't very Baltoslavic. Their northern part is very Celto Germanic!Quote:
Originally Posted by MoroLP
We are not speaking of Balts and the Celtic Germanic percentage is practically zero among Romanians. Ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
Then you are confused. You think there is no link between Baltic and Slavic people. Go eat some Burek cheese pie for dinner and then email Davidski for Global 25 coordinates. OTTOMAN WARS CALC will be waiting for you when you feel like getting exposed!Quote:
Originally Posted by MoroLP
Yes, it's here, but her ancestors were located quite far from here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Hers could be an older Cuman/Pecheneg/Tatar signal, since all these regions East of the Carpathian Arch were heavily raided and by Cumans also settled prior to the 13th century.
This is the reason why the Principality of Moldavia was created in the first place, to prevent the raiders from reaching Hungary.
I also get 3.5% East Asian-like ancestry as she does.
Gedrosia 5.71 Pct Siberian 1.53 Pct Northwest_African 0.24 Pct Southeast_Asian - Atlantic_Med 25.42 Pct North_European 40.30 Pct South_Asian 0.11 Pct East_African - Southwest_Asian 4.33 Pct East_Asian 2.00 Pct Caucasus 20.36 Pct Sub_Saharan -
Can you explain your theory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Ignore Cumansky, he (like another user Bosniensis) is our local clown here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoroLP
You are very similar to her on Dodecad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
You mean local Pashas! Circus is you and your familyQuote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
My conclusion based on all these result, the most southern individuals are from Galați, but not all from here are like that. But the most interesting thing is, if then you go northern, because in all counties who are close to Carpathins people are visible southern, and this influence go northern to Suceava county. Is different story with eastern counties (Botoșani, Iași, Vaslui) who are close to Republic, people here are visible northern, some individuals very much. These ones from Galați clearly are conected with strong Greek presence in that area, Greeks in the past were in many places in all the corners of the country, but most of them were in that region.
In Republic is totally different, here is a slow gradation from North to the South. But southern of the capital people start to have very different results because of presence of minorities of Balkan origin in that area, some people in that area are very southern. In Central and Northern areas people are visible homogenous, except some outliers.
:thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
Stronger Vlach influence in areas close to Carpathians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
North of Chisinau 30% Baltic would probably be the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Yes, I believe this is the reason, is bassically my old theory, what people close to Carpathians are more Balkanic genetically. Interesting is that the most northern individual on the map is from Bacău, and he is very different from all his relatives who are close to that Romanian average. Second one who is very northern is from Vaslui. In Galați is cleary seen Greek influence, this is not Vlach, in the past here came many many Greeks, and they settled everywhere, not only in the south. For example exists two individuals from Botoșani on the map, who are visible souhern for their region, and will not surprise me if they have some Greek ancestry, or even Jewish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Yes, I didn't put on the map individuals of known mixed origins, or these ones who score 37% Baltic. By the way in the south is not rarity to see so high Baltic, but the component who make people more southern are East Med, West Med and West Asian, because some individuals who score only 25% Baltic, can be more northern than these ones who score 30%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
That's why I also use Dodecad. It has more basic components like North_European (peaks in the Baltics) and Atlantic_Med (peaks in the Basques, I believe).Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
I think as a general rule, swarthy people live near mountain rangesQuote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
People close to mountain area are more close to old Vlach populations. Southern cluster is mostly composed from counties close to Carpathians, only Suceva is differnet, since exist and more norhern indiviuals. But need more samples, especially from Neamț county too, to see more formed image of the region. For Galați exist other explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Northern cluster is mostly composed from individuals from Vaslui, Iaşi, Botoşani, partialy Suceava, plus one person from Bacău and one from Galaţi (not IncelSlayer).
https://sun9-52.userapi.com/KYEwD51y...989CFjjVqA.jpg
You gave me an idea to look at the results regionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
NE + NW Europe = Baltic + North Atlantic (Baltic peaks in Lithuanians at 54%, Atlantic in West Scottish at 53%)
East + West Med (In Europe, East Med peaks in South Italians at 30% and Cypriots at 41%; West Med peaks in Sardinians at 52%)
NW Asia/Caucasus = West Asian (peaks in Abkhasians at 54%)
SW Asia/Arabia = Red Sea (peaks in Saudis at 34%)
East Asia/Siberia = East Asian + Siberian + Amerindian
India (self-explanatory)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
1) NE + NW Europe
https://i.imgur.com/zVuFx6K.png
Dumitrescu is not a Moldovan surname? If not, I won't post the results.
No, in RM don't exist, in Romanian Moldova is uncommon, but exist. Is a Wallachian surname, and is very common only in South Romania.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
https://www.hartanumeromanesti.eu/en...rescu&s=Search
Vast majority of surnames with -escu are mostly Wallachian, and are uncommon in Moldavian region and RM.
No, we have two Dumitrescus in the Wallachian thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
2) East + West MedQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
https://i.imgur.com/3uoaaet.png?1
3) NW Asia/CaucasusQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
https://i.imgur.com/Ykopl2q.png?1
4) SW Asia/ArabiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
https://i.imgur.com/sFQaAsI.png?1
5) East Asia/SiberiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
https://i.imgur.com/qTTW7cu.png?1
6) IndiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
https://i.imgur.com/ppcoaKV.png?1
Not always, in northern Italy more wog and meddish population lives in Padanian plain, while lighter and more northern shifted groups are in the Alps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daco Celtic
True, true. It's an interesting pattern though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
This is actually really coolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Oh yeah?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mik20
The official seal of Petru Rares, a 16th century Moldovan ruler, reads like this "Печать ио Романа воевода Земле Молдавской" meaning "the seal of the Romanian Voivode of the Moldovan Country". Did he time travel to 19th century? And was he calling himself a serf?? you're desperately trying to distort the historical truth just prop your worthless ideology.
No it wasn't. The name "Moldova" also had a mostly internal use. Ottomans, who at that time were the suzerains of Moldova, used to call it Boğdan, or even funnier Kuçuk-Eflak, meaning Little Wallachia. Poles, who were also sometimes suzerains in Moldova would call Moldovan rulers Wallachian princes. Polish medieval chronicler Leonard Goreck refers to Ioan Voda cel Cumplit, a Moldovan ruler, "Palatini Valachiae" meaning Wallachian Prince, and would often call various Moldovan personalities as Wallachian, which they obviously were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mik20
https://media.giphy.com/media/jh2By0RRzHeCs/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
haha painful isn't it? moldovenism is a piece of crapQuote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/a7...e975526a94.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
Listen, I have nothing against RM being a separate country, as long as it's not a Russian domain and Moldovan history is told without distorting the history of Romania and Romanians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin