But in second link I showed, the vlachs had their pseudo bishops ( according to the pope )and Hungarians and Saxons were going to live with them. Some people say they were in wallachia , some say southern Moldova.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
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But in second link I showed, the vlachs had their pseudo bishops ( according to the pope )and Hungarians and Saxons were going to live with them. Some people say they were in wallachia , some say southern Moldova.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Vlachs were newcomers here, probably coming from South Transylvania. The area in this document is located on the foothills close to the areas of the fisrt mentions of Vlachs north of Danube. Probably, if not the Mongolian invasion, they could form an state formation over 100 years earlier, with the core in today Vrancea or Buzău, probably as a single state, not two like later Wallachia and Moldova, and probably without expansion into the Steppe areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by sage
Well they mostly like had a political organization because it's meationed that they were paying taxes to Prince bela at that time here is the full text:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
1234 November 14, Perugia Gregorius bishop etc. carissimo in Christo filio. B. regi, primogenito regis Hungary, salutem etc. In Cumanorum episcopatu, sicut accepimus, quidam populi, qui Walati vocantur, existunt, qui etsi censenatur nomine christiano, sub una tamen fide varios ritus habentes et mores, illa committunt, que huic sunt nomini inimica. Nam Romanorum ecclesiam contempnentes non a venerabili fratre nostro ... episcopo Cumanorum, qui loci diocesanus existit, sed a quibusdam pseudo episcopis Grecorum ritum tenentibus universa recipient ecclesiastica sacramenta, et nonnulli de regno Ungarie, tam Ungarie, quam Theutonici et alii orthodoxi, morandi causa cum ipsis traseunt ad eosdem, et sic cum eis, quia populus unus facti cum eisdem Walathis eo contempto, premise recipiunt sacramenta, in grave orthodoxorum scandalum et derogationem non modicam fidei christiane. Ne igitur ex diversitate rituum pericula proveniant animarum, nos volentes huiusimos periculum obviare, we preface Walathi materiam habeant pro defectu sacramentorum ad schismaticos episcopos accedendi, eidem episcopo nostis damus litteris in mandatis, ut catholicum eis episcopum illi nationi conformem provida deliberatione constituat sibi iuxta generalis statuta concilii vicarium in predictis, qui ei per omnia sit obediens et subiectus. Contradictory etc. usque compescendo Cum autem tu tamquam princeps catholicus ad communionem dilecti filii nostri I. Prenestini electi, tunc apostolice sedis legati, prestito iuramento promiseris, te omnes inobedientes Romane ecclesie in terra tua ad obediendum eidem ecclesie compulsurum prout confecte super hoc tue littere continebant, ac eidem electo viva voce promiseris, quod prefatos Walathos compelleres ad recipiendum episcopum, quem eis ecclesia ipsa concesserit et assignare sibi de redditibus tuis, quos ab eis percipis, sufficientes redditus et honestos, sicut idem electus nobis exposuit, regalem excellentiam rogamus, monemus et hortamur attente, ac in remissionem tibi iniungimus peccatorum, quatenus cum te non deceat in regno tuo huimoudis scismaticos sustinere, ac ea, que promisisti, deo grata et hominibus sint accepta ne faceas irrita, que de tuis labiis tam laudabiliter processerunt, ea studeas efficaciter adimplere, ita quod ex hoc pleaseas Regi Regum, et nos sincerititatis tue zelum possimus dignis in domino laudibus commendation. Datum Perusi XVIII Kal. Decembris, pontificatus nostri anno octavo
This document doesn't show any trace of some political organized formation, is just a mention of some "Walati" who were Orthodox, nothing more. Nothig about any cities/towns or villages, nothing about their social organisation. Totally different compared to the Diploma of the Joannites, were simple Vlach polities were mentioned south of the Carpathians.Quote:
Originally Posted by sage
Well some historians do link the papal diploma of 1234 and diploma of jonnities of 1247 together which they are only 13 years apart so maybe
Did you tho ? It's says they were paying taxes to bela. Also this document is mostly about religion not about politics but it does meation it.. also they big enough to convert Hungarians and saxons to the Greek rite so they were big enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
I translate this part to English
, nos volentes huiusimos periculum obviare, we preface Walathi materiam habeant pro defectu sacramentorum ad schismaticos episcopos accedendi, eidem episcopo nostis damus litteris in mandatis, ut catholicum eis episcopum illi nationi conformem provida deliberatione constituat sibi iuxta generalis statuta concilii vicarium in predictis, qui ei per omnia sit obediens et subiectus. Contradictory etc. usque compescendo Cum autem tu tamquam princeps catholicus ad communionem dilecti filii nostri I. Prenestini electi, tunc apostolice sedis legati, prestito iuramento promiseris, te omnes inobedientes Romane ecclesie in terra tua ad obediendum eidem ecclesie compulsurum prout confecte super hoc tue littere continebant, ac eidem electo viva voce promiseris, quod prefatos Walathos compelleres ad recipiendum episcopum, quem eis ecclesia ipsa concesserit et assignare sibi de redditibus tuis, quos ab eis percipis, sufficientes redditus et honestos, sicut idem electus nobis exposuit, regalem excellentiam rogamus, monemus et hortamur attente, ac in remissionem tibi iniungimus peccatorum, quatenus cum te non deceat in regno tuo huimoudis scismaticos sustinere, ac ea, que promisisti, deo grata et hominibus sint accepta ne faceas irrita, que de tuis labiis tam laudabiliter processerunt, ea studeas efficaciter adimplere, ita quod ex hoc pleaseas Regi Regum, et nos sincerititatis tue zelum possimus dignis in domino laudibus commendation. Datum Perusi XVIII Kal. Decembris, pontificatus nostri anno octavo
English translation
we, wishing to avoid this very danger, we preface Walathi have material for the lack of sacraments for approaching schismatic bishops, we give the same bishop our letters in mandates, that he may appoint for himself, according to the general statutes of the council, a catholic bishop conformable to that nation, as vicar in the aforesaid, who shall be obedient and subject to him in all things. Contradictory etc. Even when you, as a Catholic prince, promised by oath to the communion of our beloved son I. Praenestinus, then legate of the apostolic see, that you would compel all those disobedient to the Roman Church in your land to obey the same Church, as your letters contained in detail on this, and you promised the same elected one by word of mouth that you would compel the aforementioned Wallachia to receive the bishop whom the Church itself has granted them and to assign to themselves sufficient and honest revenues from your revenues, which you receive from them, as the same elected one explained to us, we beg, warn and exhort your royal excellency attentively, and we enjoin upon you the remission of sins, so that since it is not fitting for you to tolerate schismatics in your kingdom, and that you do not make void the promises you have made, which are pleasing to God and acceptable to men, which have proceeded from your lips so laudably, you will strive to fulfill them effectively, so that from this you may please the King of Kings, and we may be able to show the zeal of your sincerity. A commendation worthy of praise in the Lord. Given at Perus on the 18th Kalends of December, in the eighth year of our pontificate.
Take in consideration what kind of population were Romanians/Vlachs at that time, entirely pastoralist comunities living exclusively on foothills or directly in the Carpathian mountains. Is not a simple coincidence what Romanian influence, both culturally and genetically, goes exclusively across entire Carpathian mountain chain as far as Moravia in Czech Republic.
And the prize for the most insane theory that doesn't involve aliens goes to:
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p. 105 https://www.muzeu.md/wp-content/uplo...spora-2019.pdf
From Cantemir district in Cahul county
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 15.29 30.81 18.06 8.28 22.19 1.25 0.71 1.09 1.79 0.41 0.12 0 0
Distance to: Pleseni 8.14556321 Moldovan_South 8.21350108 Pomak_Greece 8.56234197 Pomak_Bulgaria 9.12782011 Bulgarian_Northwestern 9.89438730 Bulgarian_Northcentral 10.14312082 Romanian_Dobruja 10.15226083 Montenegro_SouthEast 10.15421095 Bulgarian_Southcentral 10.25620300 Vlach_Serbia 10.29667908 Gagauz 10.57442670 Serb_SouthSerbia 10.58673226 Serb_EastSerbia 10.69186139 Romanian_Muntenia 10.85729248 Serb_KosovoMetohija 11.13934020 Romanian_Oltenia 11.19082660 Romanian_Moldavia_South 11.30893010 Bulgarian_Southwestern 11.31523310 Romanian_Banat 11.44660648 Romanian_Transylvania 11.51207627 Serb_CentralSerbia 11.70235019 Serb_Vojvodina 11.74629303 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 11.84111059 Bosniak_Southeast 11.87157530 Macedonian_North 11.89676847 Moldovan_Central
Quite unbalanced distribution between North Atlantic and Baltic, which can happen with 23andme v5 data in K13.
All good in K12b though, which is stabler for v5 data, and this is why I always double check.
Spoiler!
Distance to: Pleseni 4.96179403 Moldova_North 5.20739858 Moldova_Centre 5.86498082 Romanian_North-Moldavia 7.50372574 Romanian_Maramures 7.67825501 Romanian_Crisana 7.98878589 Moldovan_South 8.35693724 Romanian_South-Moldavia 9.11855252 Romanian_Transylvania 9.56025627 Romanian_Banat 10.00795184 Romanian_Dobrogea 10.20833973 Ukraine_Ivano_Frankivsk 10.76504993 Romanian_Oltenia 11.06103069 Romanian_Muntenia 13.10393452 Moldova_Ukrainian 13.87226730 Moldova_Gagauz
From Criuleni district in Chisinau county
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Distance to: Magdacesti-Drasliceni-Ratus 4.19910705 Csángó-Ceangău 4.38107293 Hungarian_Székely 4.59268984 Romanian_Maramureş 4.65245097 Hungarian_Transylvania 4.87986680 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 5.32250881 Croat_Dalmatia 5.53422985 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 5.57388554 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 5.66534200 Romanian_Moldavia_North 5.69385634 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 5.85907843 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 5.92894594 Serb_Dalmatia 5.96734447 Moldovan_Central 6.04033939 Croat_Kvarner 6.04386466 Romanian_Ukraine 6.14609632 Bosniak_Krajina_West 6.24154628 Croat_Istria 6.32009494 Croat_Bosnia 6.34775551 Bosniak_Krajina_East 6.40324137 Croat_Lika 6.40539616 Serb_CentralCroatia 6.45078290 Serb_WestSerbia 6.59260191 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 6.65192453 Bosniak_Central 6.68029191 Serb_Vojvodina
From Criuleni district in Chisinau county
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 20.68 37.24 13.93 12.13 10.29 0.85 2.05 1.84 0.81 0.17 0 0 0
Distance to: Ratus 6.23803655 Moldovan_North 6.35099205 Bosniak_Northeast 7.22449306 Romanian_Ukraine 7.69709686 Bosniak_Central 7.90139228 Bosniak_Krajina_East 8.04911796 Ukrainian_Carpathians 8.54443679 Moldovan_Central 8.68794567 Croat_Herzegovina 8.91274930 Romanian_Moldavia_North 8.92479131 Lemko_Poland 9.27366163 Ukrainian_Moldova 9.70136073 Croat_Slavonia 9.73614914 Croat_Bosnia 9.78420666 Croat_Dalmatia 9.86092795 Ukrainian_Galicia 10.26056041 Croat_Lika 10.28475571 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 10.29684903 Serb_CentralCroatia 10.38134866 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 10.50332804 Croat_Kvarner 10.53437706 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 10.65930110 Bosniak_Krajina_West 10.74736247 Bosniak_Southeast 10.88153941 Croat_Istria 10.92296205 Croat_Central
From Straseni district in Chisinau county
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 26.18 29.32 13.06 11.12 14.67 2.08 0.42 0.51 1.85 0 0.79 0 0
Distance to: Recea 3.81343677 Romanian_Maramureş 4.05677212 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 4.29684768 Moldovan_Central 4.30120913 Romanian_Moldavia_North 4.43941438 Bosniak_Krajina_West 4.46731463 Hungarian_Székely 4.50306562 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 4.55678615 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 4.68430358 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 4.70949042 Serb_Dalmatia 4.73322300 Romanian_Ukraine 4.84117754 Croat_Dalmatia 4.90892045 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 4.94270169 Serb_WestSerbia 5.02501741 Serb_CentralCroatia 5.14685341 Serb_Lika 5.25014286 Csángó-Ceangău 5.28841186 Romanian_Crişana 5.36722461 Croat_Bosnia 5.42165104 Bosniak_Southeast 5.43838211 Croat_Istria 5.52696119 Serb_EastSerbia 5.57001795 Croat_Herzegovina 5.57836894 Serb_Vojvodina 5.58360994 Serb_SouthSerbia
From Hincesti district in Lapusna county
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 19.00 34.71 16.26 10.30 14.95 0.80 2.38 0.68 0 0.26 0.49 0.08 0.11
Distance to: Hincesti 6.32625482 Moldovan_Central 6.43701794 Moldovan_North 6.86372348 Croat_Herzegovina 7.46663244 Serb_CentralCroatia 7.69076719 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 7.69501787 Bosniak_Southeast 7.70638047 Bosniak_Krajina_East 7.73665302 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 7.84636859 Serb_EastSerbia 7.91587014 Moldovan_South 8.11287865 Romanian_Ukraine 8.12257964 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 8.13360928 Romanian_Moldavia_North 8.14907357 Bosniak_Central 8.43305994 Croat_Slavonia 8.45094078 Bosniak_Northeast 8.55001170 Croat_Bosnia 8.56362657 Serb_CentralSerbia 8.56907813 Serb_SouthSerbia 8.57638036 Serb_Lika 8.61678594 Croat_Dalmatia 8.64134827 Serb_WestSerbia 8.90390925 Bosniak_Krajina_West 9.12269697 Serb_Vojvodina 9.27348370 Serb_Dalmatia
From Ungheni district in Ungheni county
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Distance to: Ungheni 2.45014285 Moldovan_Central 3.50118551 Moldovan_North 3.72364069 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 4.03570316 Romanian_Moldavia_North 4.05613116 Croat_Herzegovina 4.05816461 Romanian_Ukraine 4.10823563 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 4.20571040 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 4.34314402 Serb_CentralCroatia 4.58990196 Bosniak_Krajina_East 4.60140196 Croat_Dalmatia 4.93110535 Serb_EastSerbia 5.04622631 Romanian_Maramureş 5.11857402 Croat_Bosnia 5.15598681 Bosniak_Southeast 5.24515014 Serb_Lika 5.31582543 Serb_WestSerbia 5.32707237 Bosniak_Krajina_West 5.51865926 Serb_SouthSerbia 5.56447662 Serb_Dalmatia 5.58441582 Bosniak_Central 5.64937165 Serb_CentralSerbia 5.77367301 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 5.86675379 Croat_Slavonia 5.97182552 Serb_Vojvodina
From Ungheni district in Ungheni county
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 20.97 35.23 12.93 7.85 14.49 3.23 0.68 0.97 2.23 0.26 0.81 0.00 0.29
Distance to: Ungheni 4.76308723 Moldovan_North 5.80740045 Moldovan_Central 6.13330254 Romanian_Ukraine 6.30175372 Croat_Herzegovina 6.48276176 Romanian_Moldavia_North 6.71164659 Bosniak_Northeast 6.73454527 Bosniak_Krajina_East 6.82143680 Bosniak_Central 7.20909842 Bosniak_Southeast 7.31906415 Croat_Bosnia 7.39547835 Croat_Slavonia 7.48854458 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 7.69512833 Serb_CentralCroatia 7.75226419 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 7.86246781 Croat_Dalmatia 8.02400150 Bosniak_Krajina_West 8.09426340 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 8.11324226 Serb_EastSerbia 8.20195099 Ukrainian_Carpathians 8.24433139 Croat_Lika 8.45160931 Serb_WestSerbia 8.51545066 Serb_Lika 8.53537345 Croat_Istria 8.71868683 Serb_CentralSerbia 8.76413145 Moldovan_South
From Floresti district in Soroca county
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Distance to: 1/2Varvareuca_1/2Ciutulesti 3.58707402 Ukrainian_Carpathians 4.16428865 Lemko_Poland 4.54757078 Ukrainian_Moldova 4.56818345 Ukrainian_Galicia 4.80321767 Bosniak_Northeast 5.83222942 Hungarian_North 5.89505725 Slovak 6.33232185 Bosniak_Central 6.47909716 Hungarian_Alföld_North 6.60006818 Romanian_Ukraine 6.71175834 Croat_Central 6.74049701 Croat_Northwest 6.78008112 Ukrainian_South 6.89558554 Moldovan_North 6.96603187 Polish_Subcarpathia 7.03672509 Hungarian_Slovakia_Central&East 7.12673838 Czech 7.15204866 Hungarian_Alföld_South 7.38340707 Polish_South 7.43105645 Bosniak_Krajina_East 7.48873153 Croat_Kvarner 7.83310283 Polish_Silesia 7.99221496 Hungarian_Central&Budapest 8.01450560 Slovene 8.11490604 Romanian_Moldavia_North
From Floresti district in Soroca county
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Distance to: Ciutulesti 3.64841061 Ukrainian_Carpathians 3.71579063 Bosniak_Northeast 4.09459400 Lemko_Poland 4.39450794 Bosniak_Central 5.05106919 Romanian_Ukraine 5.06909262 Moldovan_North 5.16322574 Croat_Central 5.18016409 Hungarian_North 5.21247542 Hungarian_Alföld_North 5.21747065 Croat_Slavonia 5.34612944 Croat_Kvarner 5.43685571 Bosniak_Krajina_East 5.62207257 Croat_Lika 5.62273065 Romanian_Moldavia_North 5.69115103 Croat_Bosnia 5.87690395 Hungarian_Alföld_South 5.98055181 Croat_Herzegovina 6.12197680 Ukrainian_Moldova 6.38072880 Croat_Istria 6.41938471 Ukrainian_Galicia 6.45919500 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 6.52385622 Hungarian_Slovakia_Central&East 6.64419295 Croat_Northwest 6.68130975 Croat_Dalmatia 6.71196692 Slovak
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From Soroca district in Soroca county
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Zastinca, Volovita, Parcani 27.56 35.62 12.39 6.95 13.54 0.72 0 0.35 1.83 0.08 0 0.96 0
Distance to: Zastinca_Volovita_Parcani 4.46186060 Croat_Kvarner 4.53102637 Hungarian_Alföld_North 4.61712031 Bosniak_Central 4.74710438 Croat_Central 4.75922263 Bosniak_Northeast 4.85318452 Hungarian_North 4.90945007 Croat_Slavonia 4.95868934 Ukrainian_Carpathians 5.03348786 Croat_Lika 5.05339490 Romanian_Moldavia_North 5.12429507 Romanian_Ukraine 5.15871108 Hungarian_Alföld_South 5.17465941 Croat_Bosnia 5.33796778 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 5.52206483 Lemko_Poland 5.52271672 Moldovan_North 5.59855338 Croat_Istria 5.76108497 Bosniak_Krajina_East 5.91240222 Croat_Herzegovina 5.95619006 Hungarian_Central&Budapest 5.99436402 Hungarian_Slovakia_Central&East 5.99643227 Bosniak_Krajina_West 6.27923562 Croat_Dalmatia 6.40502927 Croat_Northwest 6.46680756 Croat_GorskiKotar
Distance to: Zastinca_Volovita_Parcani 4.35998853 Moldova_Edinet_judet 4.66423627 Romania_Ukrainian 4.70264819 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava 4.87373573 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani 4.96567216 Moldova_Soroca_judet 5.12429507 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi) 5.35678075 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic 5.62224155 Moldova_Balti_city 5.72658712 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA 5.89920334 Moldova_Balti_judet 6.14520952 Moldova_Orhei_judet 6.75664118 Romania_Maramures_Maramures 7.36801194 Moldova_Ungheni_judet 7.56520985 Romania_Moldavia_Csango 7.60334795 Moldova_Chisinau_city 7.79126434 Moldova_Ukrainian+Russian 7.84854764 Moldova_Chisinau_judet 7.92981084 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian+Szekler 8.11494917 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi 8.81601384 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare 8.89625764 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud 9.03292311 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui 9.43370023 Romania_Dobruja_Tulcea 9.75509098 Romania_Crisana_Salaj 9.83905991 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
Distance to: Zastinca_Volovita_Parcani 2.10347332 Romania_Maramures_Mixed_1_Hungarian 2.32630608 Romania_Moldavia_13_Botosani 2.51145376 Moldova_76_Rezina 2.57769277 Romania_Moldavia_18_Botosani 2.58605878 Moldova_33_Floresti 3.06804498 Romania_Moldavia_48_Suceava 3.08930413 Moldova_22_Drochia 3.13188442 Romania_Moldavia_35_Suceava 3.20009375 Romania_Moldavia_38_Botosani 3.26154871 Romania_Maramures_16_Maramures 3.35880931 Moldova_116_Chisinau 3.38344499 Romania_Moldavia_35_Botosani 3.68635321 Romania_Moldavia_16_Botosani 3.72872632 Romania_Moldavia_74_Suceava 3.74102927 Romania_Moldavia_51_Suceava 3.76806316 Moldova_121_Chisinau 3.81576991 Ukraine_Hutsul_1_IvanoFrankivsk 3.85009091 Romania_Maramures_26_SatuMare 3.88908730 Ukraine_Hutsul_2_IvanoFrankivsk 3.90149971 Moldova_2_Ocnita 3.94435039 Romania_Maramures_19_Maramures 3.99077687 Romania_Moldavia_61_Suceava 4.09949997 Romania_Moldavia_40_Botosani 4.10858857 Romania_Moldavia_193_Vaslui 4.14071250 Moldova_mixed_7_1/2Drochia_1/2TransnistriaOdessa
From Ialoveni district in Chisinau county
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Costesti 23.58 29.10 17.05 8.80 14.16 2.91 0.69 1.36 1.11 0.13 1.12 0 0
Distance to: Costesti 2.24051333 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 2.63313501 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 2.89782677 Serb_EastSerbia 3.11358314 Romanian_Maramureş 3.15794237 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 3.23481066 Serb_Lika 3.24733737 Serb_CentralSerbia 3.28318443 Serb_CentralCroatia 3.30092411 Serb_Vojvodina 3.32210776 Serb_SouthSerbia 3.36639273 Serb_Dalmatia 3.44264433 Moldovan_Central 3.65297139 Serb_WestSerbia 3.79819694 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 4.00104986 Romanian_Crişana 4.14054344 Romanian_Moldavia_South 4.14234233 Bosniak_Southeast 4.15728277 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 4.23556372 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 4.30887456 Serb_Herzegovina 4.37381984 Croat_Dalmatia 4.50842545 Romanian_Transylvania 4.57071110 Croat_Herzegovina 4.62834744 Vlach_Serbia 4.94270169 Romanian_Moldavia_North
Distance to: Costesti 2.47848744 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi 2.81209886 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud 3.01252386 Romania_Crisana_Salaj 3.16887993 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt 3.18965515 Moldova_Chisinau_judet 3.19267913 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui 3.31123844 Romania_Maramures_Maramures 3.55969100 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau 3.64723183 Moldova_Ungheni_judet 3.71381206 Moldova_Chisinau_city 3.79749918 Romania_Crisana_Bihor 4.05954431 Romania_Transylvania_Mures 4.22492603 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj 4.24909402 Romania_Dobruja_Tulcea 4.39223178 Moldova_Balti_city 4.45033707 Moldova_Balti_judet 4.50516370 Moldova_Orhei_judet 4.59779295 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu 4.68100417 Moldova_Lapusna_judet 4.74312134 Romania_Banat_Timis 4.86173837 Romania_Moldavia_Galati 4.89930607 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare 4.91502798 Moldova_Cahul_judet 4.98125486 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara 4.98138535 Romania_Transylvania_Alba
From Transnistria, 3/4 Moldovan, 1/4 Ukrainian from Lviv
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Transnistria (3/4 Moldovan, 1/4 Lviv Ukrainian) 22.41 34.10 18.57 5.90 12.14 2.74 0 1.16 1.04 0 0.98 0.83 0.22
Distance to: Transnistria_3/4Moldovan_1/4Lviv-Ukrainian 5.46671748 Bosniak_Krajina_East 5.56278707 Croat_Herzegovina 6.10322865 Croat_Slavonia 6.11915844 Moldovan_North 6.35159822 Croat_Bosnia 6.48478219 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 6.50399108 Croat_Dalmatia 6.61516440 Moldovan_Central 6.66880049 Serb_CentralCroatia 6.72888549 Croat_Lika 6.73350577 Romanian_Moldavia_North 6.81103516 Bosniak_Southeast 6.91666104 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 7.03783347 Bosniak_Central 7.18408658 Croat_Istria 7.25807137 Serb_CentralSerbia 7.35357736 Bosniak_Northeast 7.35426407 Serb_WestSerbia 7.38949254 Serb_Lika 7.47939837 Serb_EastSerbia 7.56933947 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 7.73567709 Bosniak_Krajina_West 8.19015262 Romanian_Maramureş 8.22671867 Romanian_Ukraine 8.32200697 Serb_Dalmatia
Distance to: Transnistria_3/4Moldovan_1/4Lviv-Ukrainian 5.72004371 Moldova_Balti_city 6.01917768 Moldova_Balti_judet 6.21524738 Romania_Maramures_Maramures 6.25619693 Moldova_Edinet_judet 6.30748761 Moldova_Soroca_judet 6.31864701 Moldova_Chisinau_judet 6.38111276 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani 6.43201368 Moldova_Chisinau_city 6.67168644 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava 6.87048033 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi 6.96916781 Moldova_Orhei_judet 6.97742073 Romania_Dobruja_Tulcea 7.07035360 Moldova_Ungheni_judet 8.01227808 Romania_Ukrainian 8.02795740 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud 8.07034076 Moldova_Lapusna_judet 8.22671867 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi) 8.26036924 Romania_Crisana_Salaj 8.34805367 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic 8.38446778 Romania_Moldavia_Csango 8.64956646 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui 8.77135679 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA 9.08363363 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt 9.26681175 Romania_Crisana_Bihor 9.47930377 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian+Szekler
Latest
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Neamt 27.28 24.85 15.52 11.78 15.07 2.94 0 1.31 0.43 0.25 0.59 0 0 Neamt 25.07 29.60 17.78 9.66 13.93 0 0 0.65 1.26 1.92 0.14 0 0 Neamt (Dochia) 25.07 27.10 17.35 9.95 15.22 1.42 2.05 0 0 1.28 0 0 0.52 Vrancea 21.83 26.84 18.88 11.77 15.65 1.19 0.45 2.04 0 0.77 0.14 0 0.46 Bacau (Bacau) 22.36 33.38 13.57 11.16 15.88 0 1.83 0 0.32 0.85 0.64 0 0 Bacau (Margineni) 26.69 27.73 17.41 10.14 12.66 0.25 0.83 0.84 1.61 0.83 0.28 0.51 0.22 Bacau (Margineni) 23.24 30.96 16.85 9.55 13.44 0.88 0 0.67 2.78 1.04 0 0.25 0.33 Bacau (Margineni) 29.78 26.95 13.63 8.46 12.70 0.93 2.92 0 2.42 0.12 0.64 1.20 0.25
Last results from Bacău (Margineni) seems to be Moldovan Csango.
Results from Neamț (Dochia) seems to be too.Quote:
Conform recensământului efectuat în 2021, populația comunei Mărgineni se ridică la 9.594 de locuitori, în creștere față de recensământul anterior din 2011, când fuseseră înregistrați 7.993 de locuitori. Majoritatea locuitorilor sunt români (87,21%), iar pentru 12,62% nu se cunoaște apartenența etnică. Din punct de vedere confesional, cei mai mulți locuitori sunt ortodocși (44,14%), cu o minoritate de romano-catolici (41,56%), iar pentru 13,27% nu se cunoaște apartenența confesională.
Map with all Romano-Catholic comunities from Moldova region: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/vi...9694999998&z=7
I thought so too at first, but in this particular family they are Orthodox, speak Romanian and have Romanian surnames.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Dochia is overwhelmingly Orthodox though.
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In Bacau, it is probably very hard to find someone without at least some tiny Csango admixture. They probably mixed for centuries both ways. Romanians assimilated Csangos into the Orthodox community and Csangos assimilated Romanians into the Catholic one. And there's a third profile, where Csangos didn't change from Catholic to Orthodox, but got Romanised and lost their Csango identity.
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From Galati county
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 1/2 Cuca, 1/2 Fartanesti 22.84 25.60 17.75 8.65 17.73 3.33 0.21 1.83 1.31 0.37 0.38 0 0
Distance to: Cuca_Fartanesti 2.86473384 Bulgarian_Northwestern 2.91154598 Romanian_Banat 2.91837283 Romanian_Oltenia 2.96376450 Romanian_Dobruja 2.97926165 Romanian_Moldavia_South 2.98224747 Romanian_Transylvania 3.18763235 Montenegro_SouthEast 3.37081592 Serb_KosovoMetohija 3.38084309 Romanian_Muntenia 3.49758488 Vlach_Serbia 3.82228989 Bulgarian_Southwestern 3.87929117 Serb_SouthSerbia 3.99608558 Bosniak_Sandzak_East 4.11160553 Serb_Herzegovina 4.18887813 Romanian_Crişana 4.39347243 Serb_Vojvodina 4.71107206 Moldovan_South 4.74473392 Bulgarian_Northcentral 4.84467749 Serb_EastSerbia 4.87632033 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 5.03900784 Bulgarian_Southcentral 5.38808871 Serb_CentralSerbia 5.49267694 Pomak_Bulgaria 5.56103408 Serb_Dalmatia 5.56145664 Romanian_Moldavia_Central
Distance to: Cuca_Fartanesti 2.59245058 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin 2.67637815 Romania_Moldavia_Galati 2.68551671 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara 2.81618536 Romania_Dobruja_Constanta 2.86541446 Romania_Oltenia_Mehedinti 2.93594959 Romania_Oltenia_Olt 2.96804650 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj 3.02881165 Romania_Oltenia_Dolj 3.04290979 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea 3.05762980 Romania_Muntenia_Prahova 3.17899355 Romania_Muntenia_Bucuresti 3.21319156 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu 3.24431811 Romania_Oltenia_Gorj 3.27993902 Romania_Muntenia_Arges 3.28115833 Romania_Oltenia_Valcea 3.32003012 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov 3.43566587 Romania_Transylvania_Mures 3.44995652 Romania_Muntenia_Braila 3.45333172 Romania_Banat_Timis 3.48671765 Moldova_Cahul_judet 3.50358388 Romania_Transylvania_Alba 3.53573189 Romania_Muntenia_Buzau 3.61001385 Romania_Muntenia_Dambovita 3.69243822 Romania_Muntenia_Ialomita 3.76489044 Romania_Crisana_Arad
From Galati county
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Piscu 23.11 27.32 18.71 10.46 13.51 2.29 2.41 2.18 0 0 0 0 0
Distance to: Piscu 4.27176778 Vlach_Serbia 4.48841843 Serb_Vojvodina 4.71171943 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 4.73302229 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 4.82895434 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 4.96629641 Romanian_Transylvania 4.97923689 Serb_SouthSerbia 5.01442918 Romanian_Moldavia_South 5.08773034 Romanian_Crişana 5.09648899 Romanian_Maramureş 5.14081706 Serb_Dalmatia 5.27874985 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 5.29312762 Romanian_Banat 5.33763993 Serb_EastSerbia 5.54794557 Montenegro_SouthEast 5.59199428 Serb_CentralSerbia 5.68479551 Serb_CentralCroatia 5.70526073 Serb_Lika 5.70548859 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 5.85912963 Romanian_Oltenia 5.86039248 Serb_Herzegovina 6.02405179 Serb_WestSerbia 6.03653874 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 6.09038587 Moldovan_Central 6.20119343 Romanian_Dobruja
Distance to: Piscu 4.61650301 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt 4.68579769 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau 4.79064714 Romania_Crisana_Salaj 4.82119280 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu 4.87763262 Romania_Transylvania_Mures 4.93191646 Romania_Banat_Timis 4.95003030 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj 5.03360706 Romania_Crisana_Bihor 5.20344117 Romania_Transylvania_Alba 5.23922704 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi 5.25995247 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud 5.27076844 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui 5.31107334 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara 5.32350448 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov 5.36224766 Moldova_Chisinau_judet 5.40629263 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea 5.46206005 Romania_Crisana_Arad 5.49299554 Romania_Transylvania_Harghita 5.54724256 Romania_Moldavia_Galati 5.69697288 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin 5.79259009 Romania_Oltenia_Mehedinti 5.83035162 Romania_Oltenia_Dolj 5.88434363 Moldova_Cahul_judet 5.98600869 Romania_Oltenia_Gorj 6.02149483 Romania_Dobruja_Constanta
From Neamt county
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Hangu, Bicaz, Piatra Neamt 26.30 24.82 16.01 12.35 13.21 3.00 0 2.33 0.27 0 1.11 0.08 0.52 Hangu, Bicaz, Piatra Neamt 23.77 32.23 14.24 8.46 15.54 2.05 1.41 0.36 0.98 0.59 0 0.26 0.12 Hangu, Bicaz, Piatra Neamt 27.94 26.08 17.02 8.92 13.37 1.75 1.00 0 1.90 0.63 1.40 0 0
Distance to: Hangu_Bicaz_PN_1 4.73858629 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 5.76453814 Romanian_Maramureş 5.95291525 Romanian_Transylvania 5.97744929 Romanian_Crişana 6.04860314 Romanian_Moldavia_South 6.05563374 Romanian_Banat 6.14586853 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 6.19616817 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 6.25773122 Serb_Vojvodina 6.36610556 Serb_Dalmatia 6.51570411 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 6.70054475 Hungarian_Székely 6.74961480 Romanian_Oltenia 6.88673362 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 6.89562905 Serb_SouthSerbia 6.90375985 Serb_Herzegovina 6.98297931 Hungarian_Transylvania 7.10608894 Vlach_Serbia 7.18331400 Csángó-Ceangău 7.21542099 Bosniak_Sandzak_East 7.22461764 Bulgarian_Southwestern 7.35447483 Romanian_Muntenia 7.43078058 Romanian_Dobruja 7.50627071 Serb_Lika 7.68911568 Serb_WestSerbia
Distance to: Hangu_Bicaz_PN_2 2.31348222 Moldovan_Central 2.70396006 Bosniak_Southeast 2.91200962 Croat_Herzegovina 3.15608935 Romanian_Moldavia_North 3.31837310 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 3.41890333 Serb_CentralCroatia 3.67933418 Bosniak_Krajina_West 3.72243200 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 3.75166630 Croat_Bosnia 3.76907150 Moldovan_North 3.95368183 Serb_WestSerbia 3.99914991 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 4.06836577 Serb_EastSerbia 4.10950119 Serb_Lika 4.16224699 Croat_Dalmatia 4.18635880 Croat_Slavonia 4.40507662 Romanian_Ukraine 4.47177817 Bosniak_Krajina_East 4.49152535 Serb_CentralSerbia 4.57745563 Bosniak_Central 4.70832242 Croat_Istria 4.73089843 Romanian_Maramureş 4.98198756 Serb_Dalmatia 5.09343695 Croat_Lika 5.09609655 Serb_SouthSerbia
Distance to: Hangu_Bicaz_PN_3 3.55997191 Hungarian_Székely 3.70826105 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 3.76766506 Hungarian_Transylvania 4.07286140 Romanian_Maramureş 4.08211955 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 4.17049158 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 4.51521871 Serb_Dalmatia 4.70480605 Romanian_Crişana 4.74349028 Csángó-Ceangău 5.08843787 Serb_Herzegovina 5.21749940 Serb_Vojvodina 5.45851628 Serb_WestSerbia 5.51510653 Serb_Lika 5.52526017 Romanian_Transylvania 5.60348106 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 5.65265424 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 5.65523651 Romanian_Moldavia_South 5.69773639 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 5.80823553 Serb_CentralSerbia 6.00600533 Croat_Dalmatia 6.16376508 Romanian_Banat 6.17429348 Croat_Istria 6.24907193 Serb_CentralCroatia 6.25163978 Serb_SouthSerbia 6.30220596 Serb_EastSerbia
From Iasi
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Iasi 25.53 31.98 12.41 8.61 12.90 2.29 0.98 1.45 2.38 0.52 0.94 0 0 Iasi 29.42 29.15 13.94 5.95 14.44 2.27 1.55 1.26 0.75 0.44 0.85 0 0
Distance to: Iasi_1 2.77562606 Romanian_Moldavia_North 2.93943872 Romanian_Ukraine 3.52029828 Moldovan_North 4.02873429 Bosniak_Central 4.11088798 Moldovan_Central 4.28646708 Croat_Bosnia 4.33461648 Croat_Kvarner 4.50712769 Bosniak_Krajina_East 4.53677198 Croat_Dalmatia 4.64424375 Croat_Herzegovina 4.65328916 Croat_Lika 4.68709932 Bosniak_Krajina_West 4.83801612 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 4.89410870 Csángó-Ceangău 4.90553769 Croat_Istria 5.00139980 Croat_Slavonia 5.04494797 Bosniak_Northeast 5.10768049 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 5.15061161 Hungarian_Székely 5.47569174 Bosniak_Southeast 5.47712516 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 5.50550633 Romanian_Maramureş 5.58572287 Hungarian_Alföld_North 5.73090743 Serb_CentralCroatia 5.76262093 Serb_BosanskaKrajina
Distance to: Iasi_2 3.95220192 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 4.07493558 Hungarian_Székely 4.53014349 Croat_Istria 4.78777610 Hungarian_Transylvania 4.88606181 Croat_Kvarner 4.97355004 Bosniak_Krajina_West 5.16716557 Croat_Lika 5.23757578 Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central&West 5.33776170 Romanian_Maramureş 5.35683675 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 5.38619532 Croat_Bosnia 5.53756264 Csángó-Ceangău 5.60684403 Serb_WestSerbia 5.62263284 Hungarian_Central&Budapest 5.65292844 Hungarian_Slovakia_West 5.66146624 Croat_Dalmatia 5.76576101 Romanian_Moldavia_North 5.77500649 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 5.96938020 Bosniak_Southeast 5.97180877 Croat_Slavonia 5.98465538 Hungarian_Transdanubia_South 6.14165287 Serb_Dalmatia 6.14626716 Hungarian_Alföld_North 6.18796412 Serb_Lika 6.27528485 Croat_GorskiKotar
From Bacau
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Bacau 23.37 29.00 17.29 9.14 13.25 4.05 0 0.44 2.38 1.08 0 0 0 Bacau 26.58 27.09 16.72 9.43 12.74 1.41 1.74 0.40 2.31 0.99 0.59 0 0
Distance to: Bacau_1 3.56325694 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 4.08451956 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 4.13280776 Serb_EastSerbia 4.23545747 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 4.34312100 Moldovan_Central 4.37722515 Romanian_Maramureş 4.59531283 Serb_Lika 4.61548481 Serb_SouthSerbia 4.68162365 Serb_CentralCroatia 4.69660516 Serb_CentralSerbia 4.72743059 Serb_Vojvodina 4.74428077 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 4.75511304 Serb_Dalmatia 5.11183920 Serb_WestSerbia 5.16100765 Romanian_Moldavia_South 5.18918105 Croat_Dalmatia 5.26139715 Romanian_Crişana 5.28602876 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 5.31483772 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 5.49295913 Romanian_Transylvania 5.53843841 Croat_Herzegovina 5.58513205 Serb_Herzegovina 5.60207997 Bosniak_Southeast 5.67406380 Romanian_Moldavia_North 5.82634534 Vlach_Serbia
Distance to: Bacau_2 2.99537978 Hungarian_Székely 3.19737392 Hungarian_Transylvania 3.30110588 Romanian_Maramureş 3.62472068 Csángó-Ceangău 3.73002681 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 3.75731287 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 4.02900732 Serb_Dalmatia 4.19229054 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 4.45120208 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 4.45684866 Romanian_Crişana 4.56091000 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 4.75989496 Serb_Vojvodina 4.76202688 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 4.81835034 Serb_WestSerbia 4.94715070 Serb_Lika 5.06720830 Croat_Dalmatia 5.29732952 Serb_Herzegovina 5.31091329 Romanian_Moldavia_South 5.31250412 Serb_CentralSerbia 5.32116529 Serb_CentralCroatia 5.32454693 Romanian_Transylvania 5.52136758 Serb_EastSerbia 5.64202091 Croat_Istria 5.69837696 Serb_SouthSerbia 5.70326222 Bosniak_Krajina_West
From Suceava
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Bogdanesti 27.38 35.12 13.03 5.23 13.38 0.85 1.01 0.56 0 1.60 1.36 0.48 0
Distance to: Bogdanesti 4.60903461 Croat_Central 4.62965441 Croat_Slavonia 4.63182469 Hungarian_Alföld_North 4.73890283 Bosniak_Central 4.85345238 Hungarian_North 4.87310989 Croat_Kvarner 4.90410033 Croat_Lika 5.07045363 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 5.10759239 Croat_Bosnia 5.11944333 Hungarian_Alföld_South 5.46020146 Croat_Istria 5.51633937 Ukrainian_Carpathians 5.53835716 Romanian_Moldavia_North 5.69795577 Bosniak_Krajina_East 5.70277126 Lemko_Poland 5.74207280 Bosniak_Northeast 5.82868767 Hungarian_Slovakia_Central&East 5.98012542 Croat_Herzegovina 5.99563174 Bosniak_Krajina_West 6.03753261 Hungarian_Central&Budapest 6.17481984 Moldovan_North 6.31320838 Croat_Northwest 6.31338261 Romanian_Ukraine 6.34439910 Croat_Dalmatia 6.44901543 Croat_GorskiKotar
Romanian from Cernauti Ukraine
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Cernauti 22.58 38.45 14.45 9.90 10.14 1.49 0 1.03 0 1.65 0 0.28 0
Distance to: Cernauti 6.22476506 Ukrainian_Carpathians 6.46430197 Ukrainian_Moldova 7.14977622 Bosniak_Northeast 7.40457291 Moldovan_North 7.76286674 Lemko_Poland 8.16507808 Bosniak_Central 8.32945977 Ukrainian_South 8.45477971 Ukrainian_Galicia 8.67196633 Bosniak_Krajina_East 8.68310428 Romanian_Ukraine 8.80474872 Croat_Herzegovina 8.92613018 Croat_Slavonia 9.30507926 Romanian_Moldavia_North 9.51508276 Croat_Bosnia 9.81601752 Moldovan_Central 9.85126388 Polish_Subcarpathia 9.97703864 Croat_Lika 9.99020020 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow) 10.06757667 Hungarian_North 10.17972004 Croat_Central 10.34654532 Bosniak_Southeast 10.41769168 Croat_Kvarner 10.41988963 Croat_Dalmatia 10.46039674 Hungarian_Alföld_North 10.62417526 Croat_Istria
Iasi_2 is Moldovan Romanian?
Yes, Iasi 1 and 2 are sistersQuote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Weird, Iasi 2 is more Hungarian than many Hungarians. Are both of them Orthodox?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
Both are Orthodox, there are results like this in Moldova as well (from academic sources too), not only in Romania. Though they are rarer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Different results between siblings comes from recombination. Sometimes the results are closer, sometimes more distant. Hers recombined into a goulash enjoyer.
Distance to: Moldova_101_Chisinau_IonBasescul 2.93032421 Csángó-Ceangău 3.18783626 Hungarian_Székely 3.19723318 Romanian_Maramureş 3.52147696 Romanian_Moldavia_North 3.59986111 Hungarian_Transylvania 3.61581250 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 3.61798286 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 3.71239815 Moldovan_Central 3.73001340 Croat_Dalmatia 3.90974424 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 4.32482370 Serb_WestSerbia 4.34636630 Serb_Dalmatia 4.42255582 Serb_CentralCroatia 4.47528770 Bosniak_Krajina_West 4.52624568 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 4.53932814 Croat_Bosnia 4.57480054 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 4.58715598 Croat_Istria 4.66867219 Serb_Lika 4.73836470 Croat_Herzegovina 4.84638009 Croat_Lika 5.03385538 Bosniak_Krajina_East 5.08920426 Romanian_Ukraine 5.10387108 Bosniak_Southeast 5.15779992 Serb_CentralSerbia
Distance to: Moldova_104_Chisinau_IonBasescul_brother 4.60902376 Moldovan_Central 4.62090900 Moldovan_North 5.69858754 Croat_Herzegovina 5.76908138 Bosniak_Krajina_East 5.95853170 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 6.01516417 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 6.03169959 Romanian_Ukraine 6.28084389 Romanian_Moldavia_North 6.28191054 Serb_CentralCroatia 6.43813638 Bosniak_Central 6.60677682 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 6.65759716 Croat_Dalmatia 6.66567326 Bosniak_Northeast 7.06094186 Serb_EastSerbia 7.12595958 Croat_Bosnia 7.17992340 Bosniak_Southeast 7.37367615 Croat_Slavonia 7.43406349 Romanian_Maramureş 7.45637311 Serb_WestSerbia 7.51717367 Serb_Lika 7.61118913 Bosniak_Krajina_West 7.70844342 Serb_SouthSerbia 7.73289726 Serb_CentralSerbia 7.74076870 Serb_Dalmatia 7.85431092 Serb_Vojvodina
Some academic samples with Hungarian-like profiles
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan Moldova_806_R02C02 27.07 28.68 13.68 9.21 14.50 2.21 0.92 0 1.47 1.46 0.34 0 0.46 Moldova_746_R01C02 27.89 28.60 15.36 10.43 13.25 0.43 0 0.20 3.51 0 0.33 0 0 Moldova_780_R01C02 27.76 31.44 13.32 6.93 15.07 2.36 1.14 0.96 0 0.67 0 0.35 0 Moldova_806_R01C02 27.48 29.22 13.71 8.91 13.15 3.50 2.84 0.36 0.32 0 0.51 0 0 Moldova_849_R01C02 31.58 28.15 14.20 2.22 17.21 1.23 2.15 0 1.86 0 1.40 0 0
Distance to: Moldova_43_Balti 2.94226104 Hungarian_Székely 3.03958879 Romanian_Maramureş 3.78837696 Bosniak_Krajina_West 3.80124979 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 3.96286513 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 4.03860124 Serb_Dalmatia 4.05977832 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 4.09590039 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 4.15179479 Romanian_Moldavia_North 4.16580124 Serb_WestSerbia 4.29525319 Croat_Dalmatia 4.33056578 Hungarian_Transylvania 4.38985193 Csángó-Ceangău 4.41704652 Serb_Lika 4.44175641 Croat_Istria 4.51886048 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 4.71040338 Croat_Bosnia 4.73347652 Serb_CentralCroatia 4.73519799 Romanian_Crişana 4.76322370 Bosniak_Southeast 4.77295506 Moldovan_Central 4.80862766 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 4.98880747 Croat_Kvarner 5.05440402 Serb_Vojvodina 5.08507620 Croat_Lika 5.12830381 Serb_CentralSerbia 5.15351336 Serb_EastSerbia 5.34186297 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 5.35263487 Serb_Herzegovina 5.43141786 Croat_Herzegovina
Distance to: Moldova_59_Balti 2.88043400 Hungarian_Székely 3.42884820 Hungarian_Transylvania 3.48946987 Csángó-Ceangău 4.20988123 Romanian_Maramureş 4.51826294 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 4.87326379 Serb_Dalmatia 4.88065569 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 4.93301125 Croat_Dalmatia 5.05702482 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 5.12940542 Romanian_Moldavia_North 5.19110778 Croat_Istria 5.19737434 Serb_WestSerbia 5.20019230 Bosniak_Krajina_West 5.32102434 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 5.35109335 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 5.53819465 Croat_Kvarner 5.60835092 Croat_Lika 5.61001783 Serb_Lika 5.61842505 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 5.63395953 Romanian_Crişana 5.71767435 Serb_CentralCroatia 5.72813233 Croat_Bosnia 5.89196911 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 5.91999155 Moldovan_Central 6.13770315 Serb_Vojvodina 6.16211814 Serb_CentralSerbia 6.32405724 Croat_Herzegovina 6.40662938 Serb_Herzegovina 6.42555056 Bosniak_Southeast 6.47517567 Serb_EastSerbia
Distance to: Moldova_70_Balti 3.18810288 Bosniak_Krajina_West 3.34487668 Croat_Istria 3.52231458 Croat_Bosnia 3.67660169 Croat_Kvarner 3.89879469 Romanian_Moldavia_North 3.92364626 Croat_Lika 3.98701643 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 4.12946728 Croat_Slavonia 4.20992874 Bosniak_Southeast 4.29599814 Croat_Dalmatia 4.46507559 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 4.63509439 Serb_WestSerbia 4.81085232 Croat_Herzegovina 4.89491573 Bosniak_Central 4.94704963 Romanian_Maramureş 5.00400839 Hungarian_Székely 5.19372699 Serb_CentralCroatia 5.23974236 Serb_Lika 5.34313578 Bosniak_Krajina_East 5.43156515 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 5.46208751 Romanian_Ukraine 5.48640137 Hungarian_Alföld_North 5.65611174 Croat_Central 5.65859523 Moldovan_Central 5.67275066 Serb_Dalmatia 5.68439091 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 5.76236063 Hungarian_Transylvania 5.76576968 Serb_CentralSerbia 5.79523943 Hungarian_Central&Budapest 5.91159877 Romanian_Moldavia_Central
Distance to: Moldova_72_Balti 3.85843232 Hungarian_Székely 4.16229504 Romanian_Maramureş 4.62750473 Hungarian_Transylvania 4.64878479 Csángó-Ceangău 4.68158093 Croat_Dalmatia 4.71139045 Romanian_Moldavia_North 4.84510062 Croat_Kvarner 4.84895865 Croat_Istria 4.85833305 Bosniak_Krajina_West 4.96248929 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 5.00292914 Croat_Bosnia 5.01458872 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 5.04930688 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 5.21798812 Croat_Lika 5.28671921 Bosniak_Sandzak_West 5.32097735 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 5.37472790 Serb_WestSerbia 5.38065981 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 5.44998165 Serb_Dalmatia 5.55005405 Moldovan_Central 5.59762450 Bosniak_Central 5.72616800 Serb_CentralCroatia 5.73593061 Bosniak_Southeast 5.76677553 Serb_Lika 5.89140900 Bosniak_Krajina_East 5.92690476 Romanian_Ukraine 5.93724684 Croat_Herzegovina 6.00935105 Croat_Slavonia 6.15457553 Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central&West 6.24419731 Hungarian_Central&Budapest
Distance to: Moldova_76_Balti 8.39538564 Hungarian_Partium&Banat 8.70260306 Hungarian_Székely 8.89449268 Croat_Istria 9.15292849 Serb_SouthwestSerbia 9.17156475 Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central&West 9.31187414 Bosniak_Krajina_West 9.33041264 Hungarian_Transylvania 9.41965498 Serb_WestSerbia 9.49539889 Hungarian_Slovakia_West 9.54499869 Croat_Kvarner 9.58597934 Croat_Lika 9.59052136 Austrian_Burgenland 9.61193529 Bosniak_Southeast 9.70332933 Hungarian_Central&Budapest 9.70390128 Hungarian_Transdanubia_South 9.73081189 Serb_Herzegovina 9.82338536 Croat_Bosnia 9.84145823 Serb_Lika 9.84274860 Romanian_Maramureş 9.86218536 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina 9.90746688 Croat_Slavonia 9.91553831 Austrian_Carinthia 9.95902104 Serb_Dalmatia 9.96235414 Serb_CentralSerbia 10.01526335 Hungarian_Alföld_South 10.03897405 Croat_GorskiKotar 10.06097908 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 10.23002444 Hungarian_Alföld_North 10.33040173 Csángó-Ceangău 10.35555889 Croat_Dalmatia
From the crossroads of Ialoveni and Causeni district
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Spoiler!
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Name N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 1/2 Gangura, 1/2 Cainari 24.96 32.40 12.61 10.60 12.87 1.45 0.79 0 1.20 1.96 0.07 1.09 0
Distance to: 1/2Cainari_1/2Gangura 2.13204128 Romanian_Ukraine 3.38517356 Moldovan_North 3.43260834 Romanian_Moldavia_North 3.88108232 Bosniak_Central 4.11340492 Moldovan_Central 4.28356160 Bosniak_Krajina_East 4.58053490 Croat_Herzegovina 4.58874711 Bosniak_Northeast 4.70246744 Croat_Dalmatia 4.74445993 Croat_Bosnia 4.88006148 Bosniak_Krajina_West 5.07188328 Croat_Kvarner 5.19489172 Serb_NorthEastBosnia 5.28925326 Croat_Lika 5.39337557 Croat_Slavonia 5.52637313 Croat_Istria 5.52995479 Romanian_Moldavia_Central 5.62305077 Serb_BosanskaKrajina 5.63103898 Serb_CentralCroatia 5.83171501 Bosniak_Southeast 5.88410571 Romanian_Maramureş 5.90662340 Csángó-Ceangău 6.17461740 Serb_WestSerbia 6.19498991 Hungarian_Székely 6.37288789 Hungarian_Partium&Banat
Distance to: 1/2Cainari_1/2Gangura 3.01131201 Moldova_Orhei_judet 3.32112933 Moldova_Soroca_judet 3.32561273 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi) 3.54794307 Moldova_Edinet_judet 3.56451960 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava 3.61124632 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani 3.62769900 Moldova_Balti_judet 4.02019900 Romania_Maramures_Maramures 4.18777984 Moldova_Chisinau_city 4.31434815 Moldova_Balti_city 4.32377150 Moldova_Ungheni_judet 4.34313251 Moldova_Chisinau_judet 4.52844344 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA 4.91501780 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi 5.69703432 Romania_Moldavia_Csango 6.06942337 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic 6.09252000 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud 6.28069264 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui 6.28426607 Romania_Crisana_Salaj 6.39976562 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt 6.50437545 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian+Szekler 6.65862598 Romania_Dobruja_Tulcea 6.76878867 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare 6.89628161 Moldova_Lapusna_judet 6.94146959 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau