Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

Some guy from Iran which I knew (not from this forum), give me those averages based on Gedmatch kits. Check and decide if they shoudl be added to official Dodecad?

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Alevi(Zaza&Kurmanji)_Dersim,23.89,1.05,0.95,0.25,8.36,8.25,2.5,0.14,13.06,0.66,40.84,0.05
Alevi_Kurmanji_CEAnatolia,23.56,1.34,0.79,0.4,9.08,8.44,2.75,0.29,12.58,0.98,39.46,0.18
Armenian_Arapgir,17.7,0.41,0.35,0,12.46,5.34,1.3,0,14.73,0,47.65,0.08
Iran_Gilaki,33.46,0.26,0.44,0,2.36,4.49,3.64,0.34,11.65,0.44,42.88,0
Persian_Bushehr,27.01,0.47,1.69,0,3.8,8.32,3.15,1.09,15.03,0.2,36.17,0
Persian_Beiram,28.43,0.76,0.84,0,5.67,8.57,6.97,1.63,12.88,0,33.42,0.83
Persian_Esfahan,27.40 ,0.74,0,0.88,5.64,7.21,5.63,0.39,12.64,0,39.48,0
Persian_Khuzestan,27.65,0.68,0.29,0.52,4.76,7.1,5.55,0.54,13.75,0.33,36.56,2.23
Persian_Shiraz,27.82,0.9,2.6,0,3.98,5.92,6.24,0.45,14.88,0.06,37.1,0
Persian_Yazd,29.78,0.68,0.39,0,6.4,9.25,6.55,0.57,11.78,0,34.56,0.1

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Originally Posted by Lucas

Some guy from Iran which I knew (not from this forum), give me those averages based on Gedmatch kits. Check and decide if they shoudl be added to official Dodecad?

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Alevi(Zaza&Kurmanji)_Dersim,23.89,1.05,0.95,0.25,8.36,8.25,2.5,0.14,13.06,0.66,40.84,0.05
Alevi_Kurmanji_CEAnatolia,23.56,1.34,0.79,0.4,9.08,8.44,2.75,0.29,12.58,0.98,39.46,0.18
Armenian_Arapgir,17.7,0.41,0.35,0,12.46,5.34,1.3,0,14.73,0,47.65,0.08
Iran_Gilaki,33.46,0.26,0.44,0,2.36,4.49,3.64,0.34,11.65,0.44,42.88,0
Persian_Bushehr,27.01,0.47,1.69,0,3.8,8.32,3.15,1.09,15.03,0.2,36.17,0
Persian_Beiram,28.43,0.76,0.84,0,5.67,8.57,6.97,1.63,12.88,0,33.42,0.83
Persian_Esfahan,27.40 ,0.74,0,0.88,5.64,7.21,5.63,0.39,12.64,0,39.48,0
Persian_Khuzestan,27.65,0.68,0.29,0.52,4.76,7.1,5.55,0.54,13.75,0.33,36.56,2.23
Persian_Shiraz,27.82,0.9,2.6,0,3.98,5.92,6.24,0.45,14.88,0.06,37.1,0
Persian_Yazd,29.78,0.68,0.39,0,6.4,9.25,6.55,0.57,11.78,0,34.56,0.1

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Persian and Gilak averages seem good. Bushehr/Bandari will be "off" as always due to extreme diversity. Can't comment on Alevis or the Armenian. But the Iranian ones seem legit

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Alevi(Zaza&Kurmanji)_Dersim,23.89,1.05,0.95,0.25,8 .36,8.25,2.5,0.14,13.06,0.66,40.84,0.05
Alevi_Kurmanji_CEAnatolia,23.56,1.34,0.79,0.4,9.08 ,8.44,2.75,0.29,12.58,0.98,39.46,0.18

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What sort of names are these? I swear people are afraid to say 'Kurd'

It's like saying Sunni(Sorani)_Erbil in my case. Or how about Protestant(Cockney)_London. Makes no sense. Kurd_Dersim and Kurd_Anatolia is enough.

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

What sort of names are these? I swear people are afraid to say 'Kurd'

It's like saying Sunni(Sorani)_Erbil in my case. Or how about Protestant(Cockney)_London. Makes no sense. Kurd_Dersim and Kurd_Anatolia is enough.

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Alevis are probably a bit different than standard Kurds, especially some who are mixed with Turkish.

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Originally Posted by Lucas

Some guy from Iran which I knew (not from this forum), give me those averages based on Gedmatch kits. Check and decide if they shoudl be added to official Dodecad?

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Alevi(Zaza&Kurmanji)_Dersim,23.89,1.05,0.95,0.25,8.36,8.25,2.5,0.14,13.06,0.66,40.84,0.05
Alevi_Kurmanji_CEAnatolia,23.56,1.34,0.79,0.4,9.08,8.44,2.75,0.29,12.58,0.98,39.46,0.18
Armenian_Arapgir,17.7,0.41,0.35,0,12.46,5.34,1.3,0,14.73,0,47.65,0.08
Iran_Gilaki,33.46,0.26,0.44,0,2.36,4.49,3.64,0.34,11.65,0.44,42.88,0
Persian_Bushehr,27.01,0.47,1.69,0,3.8,8.32,3.15,1.09,15.03,0.2,36.17,0
Persian_Beiram,28.43,0.76,0.84,0,5.67,8.57,6.97,1.63,12.88,0,33.42,0.83
Persian_Esfahan,27.40 ,0.74,0,0.88,5.64,7.21,5.63,0.39,12.64,0,39.48,0
Persian_Khuzestan,27.65,0.68,0.29,0.52,4.76,7.1,5.55,0.54,13.75,0.33,36.56,2.23
Persian_Shiraz,27.82,0.9,2.6,0,3.98,5.92,6.24,0.45,14.88,0.06,37.1,0
Persian_Yazd,29.78,0.68,0.39,0,6.4,9.25,6.55,0.57,11.78,0,34.56,0.1

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We already have enough Iranian averages. Gilaki is similar to Mazandarani. If one can be added it's the Isfahan one as there is no central Iranian average. There are also enough Kurdish averages. I don't think Alevis should have an own one either. I think the existing Zaza and Kurmanji kurdish averages already are based on Anatolian Kurds and they dont differ really from these ones.

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

What sort of names are these? I swear people are afraid to say 'Kurd'

It's like saying Sunni(Sorani)_Erbil in my case. Or how about Protestant(Cockney)_London. Makes no sense. Kurd_Dersim and Kurd_Anatolia is enough.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Alevis are probably a bit different than standard Kurds, especially some who are mixed with Turkish.

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How? The Dersim average doesn't deviate from the Kurdish average. The vast majority of Alevi Kurdish results are in line with the Kurdish average. There is a minority of Alevi Kurdish results with an Anatolian shift, and in all cases this is due to recent non Kurdish ancestry.
If a Kurd has recent Turkish ancestry then it will show. If not, then it won't. Those with recent non Kurdish admix (a single non Kurdish great grandparent suffices this category) shouldn't be included in an average either way. This is actually the problem with the Kurdish average on G25, hence why it is useless for modelling Kurds.

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

How? The Dersim average doesn't deviate from the Kurdish average. The vast majority of Alevi Kurdish results are in line with the Kurdish average. There is a minority of Alevi Kurdish results with an Anatolian shift, and in all cases this is due to recent non Kurdish ancestry.
If a Kurd has recent Turkish ancestry then it will show. If not, then it won't. Those with recent non Kurdish admix (a single non Kurdish great grandparent suffices this category) shouldn't be included in an average either way. This is actually the problem with the Kurdish average on G25, hence why it is useless for modelling Kurds.

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The average Kurd may not be 1/8 non-Kurd but an Alevi might be on average, that is my point

Bozulu Turkmen from Afyonkarahisar:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Turkey.svg.png

They were one of those Eastern Anatolian Turkmens (Aq Qoyunlu) that migrated to the Ottomans instead to Iran:

YDNA: R1a-Z93

Gedrosia: 14.85
Siberian: 5.97
NW_African: 0.71
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.27
North_European: 14.10
South_Asian: 4.39
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.63
East_Asian: 5.12
Caucasus: 34.70
SSA: 0.26

Distance to: Bozulu_Afyonk
6.00925952 Turk_Southwest
6.13437038 Turk_South
6.67547751 Turk_Northwest
6.96452439 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.18721782 Turk_Central_West
8.08239445 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.86025959 Turk_Central_East
9.04869604 Turk_Southeast
9.66317236 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.67873959 Azerbaijani
10.42682118 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.12786592 Azerbaijani_North
11.38041739 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.04375357 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.28562982 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.33073802 Kabardin
12.96702742 Kumyk
13.33081018 Abazin
13.76719652 Turkmen_Iran
14.42800749 Circassian
14.48035911 Turkmen_Iraq
14.48555487 Turkmen_TM
14.79276512 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.89085961 Karachay
14.92288511 Turk_East

Target: Bozulu_Afyonk
Distance: 2.7480% / 2.74804756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.3 Turk_South
12.8 Balkan_Gypsy
12.8 Nogai
6.3 Kumyk
5.6 Turk_Northwest
5.2 Turkmen_Iran

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Bozulu Turkmen from Afyonkarahisar:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Turkey.svg.png

They were one of those Eastern Anatolian Turkmens (Aq Qoyunlu) that migrated to the Ottomans instead to Iran:

YDNA: R1a-Z93

Gedrosia: 14.85
Siberian: 5.97
NW_African: 0.71
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.27
North_European: 14.10
South_Asian: 4.39
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.63
East_Asian: 5.12
Caucasus: 34.70
SSA: 0.26

Distance to: Bozulu_Afyonk
6.00925952 Turk_Southwest
6.13437038 Turk_South
6.67547751 Turk_Northwest
6.96452439 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.18721782 Turk_Central_West
8.08239445 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.86025959 Turk_Central_East
9.04869604 Turk_Southeast
9.66317236 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.67873959 Azerbaijani
10.42682118 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.12786592 Azerbaijani_North
11.38041739 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.04375357 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.28562982 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.33073802 Kabardin
12.96702742 Kumyk
13.33081018 Abazin
13.76719652 Turkmen_Iran
14.42800749 Circassian
14.48035911 Turkmen_Iraq
14.48555487 Turkmen_TM
14.79276512 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.89085961 Karachay
14.92288511 Turk_East

Target: Bozulu_Afyonk
Distance: 2.7480% / 2.74804756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.3 Turk_South
12.8 Balkan_Gypsy
12.8 Nogai
6.3 Kumyk
5.6 Turk_Northwest
5.2 Turkmen_Iran

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Probably all of eastern anatolian Turkmens(Şereflü Bozulus Danishmendids Hacıahmetli etc) migrated west(Ankara Afyonkarahisar kırşehir aksaray etc.) in Ottoman era probably this is why eastern anatolian Turks score low Turkic like erzurum

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

Probably all of eastern anatolian Turkmens(Şereflü Bozulus Danishmendids Hacıahmetli etc) migrated west(Ankara Afyonkarahisar kırşehir aksaray etc.) in Ottoman era probably this is why eastern anatolian Turks score low Turkic like erzurum

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They migrated either west or east (to Iran/Azerbaijan). A lot of Qizilbash originated from Eastern Anatolia (Diyarbakir especially).

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Originally Posted by Kyp

They migrated either west or east (to Iran/Azerbaijan). A lot of Qizilbash originate from Eastern Anatolia.

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Yeah many anatolian Turkmens migrated Iran(especially Afshars) when Afsharid dynasty founded in Iran.
After Afsharid dynasty collapsed some of them back to anatolia some of them stayed Iran.

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

Yeah many anatolian Turkmens migrated Iran(especially Afshars) when Afsharid dynasty founded in Iran.
After Afsharid dynasty collapsed some of them back to anatolia some of them stayed Iran.

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Yep most of them (Anatolian and Iranian ones) orignate from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beylik_of_Dulkadir

But obiously it's better to just study the history of the Aq Qoyunlu as we speak of mostly nomadic groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitab-i_Diyarbakriyya

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Originally Posted by Kyp

We already have enough Iranian averages. Gilaki is similar to Mazandarani. If one can be added it's the Isfahan one as there is no central Iranian average. There are also enough Kurdish averages. I don't think Alevis should have an own one either. I think the existing Zaza and Kurmanji kurdish averages already are based on Anatolian Kurds and they dont differ really from these ones.

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Gilaki is interesting, I think. Can be added.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Gilaki is interesting, I think. Can be added.

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Its similar to Mazandarani and I doubt it's based on many results.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

The average Kurd may not be 1/8 non-Kurd but an Alevi might be on average, that is my point

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The average Kurdish Alevi is on average 8/8 Kurd. Mixing with non Kurdish Alevis or non Alevis in general is a very recent phenomenon. Alevis tend to be strict on these things.

Turkish Alevis are similar. Tahtaci Alevis for example don't mix with non Tahtaci Alevis, let alone non Alevis.

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

The average Kurdish Alevi is on average 8/8 Kurd. Mixing with non Kurdish Alevis or non Alevis in general is a very recent phenomenon. Alevis tend to be strict on these things.

Turkish Alevis are similar. Tahtaci Alevis for example don't mix with non Tahtaci Alevis, let alone non Alevis.

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Seen both Turkish and Kurdish Alevi results with "Armenian/Pontic" shift in regions of Elazig, Malatya etc.

The first one is a Gurian Georgian (prolly not new), the rest are Georgians tested by a Czech guy who lives in Tbilisi. He has also tested a couple of Russians from Georgia as well as his own family.

Gedrosia 18.93 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.02 Pct
North_European 8.2 Pct
South_Asian 0.15 Pct
East_African 0.11 Pct
Southwest_Asian 8.08 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 59.51 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Gedrosia 20.06 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.79 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.62 Pct
North_European 11.49 Pct
South_Asian 0.12 Pct
East_African 0.67 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.8 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.3 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.15 Pct

Gedrosia 19.42 Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.63 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.26 Pct
North_European 9.24 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.05 Pct
East_Asian 0.7 Pct
Caucasus 56.4 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.29 Pct

Gedrosia 18.31 Pct
Siberian 0.3 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.73 Pct
North_European 19.66 Pct
South_Asian 0.68 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.12 Pct
East_Asian 0.22 Pct
Caucasus 44.32 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Gedrosia 17.99 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.7 Pct
North_European 11 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.59 Pct
East_Asian 1.61 Pct
Caucasus 59.94 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Gedrosia 20.06 Pct
Siberian 1.36 Pct
Northwest_African 1.24 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.16 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.23 Pct
North_European 10.75 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.63 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 49.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

The average Kurd may not be 1/8 non-Kurd but an Alevi might be on average, that is my point

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Alevi Kurds are either Turkish influenced(3-5% east eurasian) or they have low steppe. Considering the geographic and historical conditions which you find in Kurdish-Alevi regions it isn’t surprising that many of them can be 30-50% Anatolian Turkish or 50% Armenian. Alevism emerged among Turkish sectarian groups, strictly speaking Non-Turkish Alevis shouldn’t exist(it is an ethnoreligous group) but it seems that during the centuries some groups swayed their religion to Non-Turkish groups. On the other hand it is well known that many Armenians were assimilated into Alevi-Kurdish groups, so some could have less NE-Euro because of Armenian influence.

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Gedrosia 17.99 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.7 Pct
North_European 11 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.59 Pct
East_Asian 1.61 Pct
Caucasus 59.94 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

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Almost no Atlantic_Med. Maybe also Gurian:

Distance to: Geo
2.81996454 Georgian_Gurian
3.30071204 Georgian_Mingrelian
3.83928379 Georgian_Svan
4.53361886 Georgian
4.56010965 Georgian_Imereti
5.54439356 Abkhazian
9.14350042 Georgian_Adjara
9.57146279 Turk_Ahiska
10.12979763 Laz
10.91111818 Ossetian_South
10.92796870 Hemshin
12.76396098 Turk_East_Black_Sea
14.59876707 Ossetian
14.67128488 Greek_Pontus

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Gedrosia 18.31 Pct
Siberian 0.3 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.73 Pct
North_European 19.66 Pct
South_Asian 0.68 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.12 Pct
East_Asian 0.22 Pct
Caucasus 44.32 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

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This one seems to be quarter North European. I'm surprised it is NW European and not Russian:

Distance to: Georgian
1.84326814 78.80% Abkhazian + 21.20% Irish
1.87288949 78.60% Abkhazian + 21.40% Scottish
1.88697876 79.00% Abkhazian + 21.00% Icelandic
2.03975462 78.40% Abkhazian + 21.60% English_North
2.08367064 78.20% Abkhazian + 21.80% German_Northwest
2.08739252 78.00% Abkhazian + 22.00% English_South
2.10972097 78.20% Abkhazian + 21.80% English_mixed
2.14773798 79.20% Abkhazian + 20.80% Danish
2.16671748 78.00% Abkhazian + 22.00% French_Northwest
2.26307139 76.40% Georgian + 23.60% Swedish
2.28037708 77.60% Abkhazian + 22.40% Dutch
2.32779395 79.20% Abkhazian + 20.80% Swedish
2.48851917 77.80% Abkhazian + 22.20% German
2.52190401 23.60% Danish + 76.40% Georgian
2.55158363 76.20% Georgian + 23.80% Icelandic
2.60002119 74.80% Georgian + 25.20% German
2.63736019 75.00% Georgian_Svan + 25.00% Irish
2.64183766 74.60% Georgian_Svan + 25.40% Scottish
2.71282602 75.00% Georgian_Svan + 25.00% Icelandic
2.75854718 75.40% Georgian + 24.60% German_Northwest
2.78036242 25.40% English_North + 74.60% Georgian_Svan
2.78671132 26.00% English_South + 74.00% Georgian_Svan
2.80195745 76.80% Abkhazian + 23.20% French_North
2.82656862 25.80% English_mixed + 74.20% Georgian_Svan
2.85604980 26.00% French_Northwest + 74.00% Georgian_Svan

Yes, looks so. But that is not to say all Georgians have low North European. We don't know much about Eastern Georgia. The Avars live right next to the Eastern fringe of Georgia.

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Originally Posted by Fedora

Seen both Turkish and Kurdish Alevi results with "Armenian/Pontic" shift in regions of Elazig, Malatya etc.

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Yes true. This obvs results from Armenians who assimilated into that society after the genocide. It is not uncommon amongst Sunni Kurds too.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Alevi Kurds are either Turkish influenced(3-5% east eurasian) or they have low steppe. Considering the geographic and historical conditions which you find in Kurdish-Alevi regions it isn’t surprising that many of them can be 30-50% Anatolian Turkish or 50% Armenian.

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Show me one fully Alevi Kurdish result that shows 50% Anatolian Turkish or 3-5% East Eurasian.

ohmygad i had to create a new account, i have lost the pass, everything :p


How do i get the new results with the old ones, thx kiss




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.67
2 Atlantic_Med 36.36
3 Caucasus 12.22
4 Gedrosia 5.17
5 Southwest_Asian 1.38
6 Siberian 0.85
7 Northwest_African 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Dodecad) 6.04
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.65
3 Dutch (Dodecad) 8.54
4 Kent (1000Genomes) 10.51
5 Hungarians (Behar) 10.54
6 French (Dodecad) 10.58
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 10.61
8 English (Dodecad) 10.81
9 French (HGDP) 10.92
10 British_Isles (Dodecad) 11.55
11 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 12.88
12 British (Dodecad) 13.09
13 Argyll (1000Genomes) 13.61
14 Orkney (1000Genomes) 13.73
15 Irish (Dodecad) 13.83
16 Orcadian (HGDP) 13.91
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 15.07
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 16.01
19 Romanians (Behar) 20.01
20 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.47

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

Show me one fully Alevi Kurdish result that shows 50% Anatolian Turkish or 3-5% East Eurasian.

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They exist. But not as common as Gecko claimed. I think it's mainly restricted to Alevis in places like Kahranmaras:

Gedrosia: 22.86
Siberian: 3.16
NW_African: 0.43
SE_Asian: 0.13
Atlantic_Med: 8.79
North_European: 7.48
South_Asian: 0.80
East_African: 0.24
SW_Asian: 12.64
East_Asian: 2.04
Caucasus: 41.17
SSA: 0.25

Distance to: Alevi_Kahranmaras
3.38644356 Zaza_Kurd
3.47977011 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.80252548 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.92936382 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.63066950 Azerbaijani
4.93952427 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.74027874 Yazidi_Kurd
5.78270698 Udi
6.56184425 Turk_Southeast
6.58720730 Turkmen_Iraq
6.60364293 Kurd_Sorani
7.11204612 Turk_East
7.87196291 Kurd_Feyli
8.07673201 Iranian_Lur
8.39088196 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.57328992 Turk_Central_East
9.95539050 Turk_South
10.19674458 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.58090261 Iranian_Fars
11.15516024 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.19434679 Turk_Central_West
11.32193446 Azeri_Jew
11.33601341 Armenian_East
11.90650243 Assyrian_North
11.98061351 Mandean


Target: Alevi_Kahranmaras
Distance: 1.3718% / 1.37177857 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.6 Zaza_Kurd
12.8 Udi
11.4 Azerbaijani_Turkey
2.6 Ingush
2.6 Yakut

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Bozulu Turkmen from Afyonkarahisar:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Turkey.svg.png

They were one of those Eastern Anatolian Turkmens (Aq Qoyunlu) that migrated to the Ottomans instead to Iran:

YDNA: R1a-Z93

Gedrosia: 14.85
Siberian: 5.97
NW_African: 0.71
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.27
North_European: 14.10
South_Asian: 4.39
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.63
East_Asian: 5.12
Caucasus: 34.70
SSA: 0.26

Distance to: Bozulu_Afyonk
6.00925952 Turk_Southwest
6.13437038 Turk_South
6.67547751 Turk_Northwest
6.96452439 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.18721782 Turk_Central_West
8.08239445 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.86025959 Turk_Central_East
9.04869604 Turk_Southeast
9.66317236 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.67873959 Azerbaijani
10.42682118 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.12786592 Azerbaijani_North
11.38041739 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.04375357 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.28562982 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.33073802 Kabardin
12.96702742 Kumyk
13.33081018 Abazin
13.76719652 Turkmen_Iran
14.42800749 Circassian
14.48035911 Turkmen_Iraq
14.48555487 Turkmen_TM
14.79276512 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.89085961 Karachay
14.92288511 Turk_East

Target: Bozulu_Afyonk
Distance: 2.7480% / 2.74804756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.3 Turk_South
12.8 Balkan_Gypsy
12.8 Nogai
6.3 Kumyk
5.6 Turk_Northwest
5.2 Turkmen_Iran

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Also interestingly R1a Z93 is common among eastern anatolian Turkmen tribes like bozulus qizilbash Şereflü etc. Also your y dna is R1a Z93 too:D
There are R1a Z93 in my hometown :d(ankara, Şereflikoçhisar)
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

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Originally Posted by Leto

Yes, looks so. But that is not to say all Georgians have low North European. We don't know much about Eastern Georgia. The Avars live right next to the Eastern fringe of Georgia.

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Yeah haven't thought of that.
Although I think that the reason Georgians, and to a degree Armenians, display such "clean" results is due in part to their Christian faith and identity. This distinction, together with geography, has probably shielded them from mingling with their neighbors.
So, while Azerbaijanis have mixed with all their neighbors, including Avars, Lezgins and Iranians, which can also be seen in their results, the same can't be said (for now) about Georgians. Even Azerbaijanis in Georgia do not seem to have mixed with the locals, unlike Azeris in Dagestan.

One possibility I see is that the mixing with non-Georgians could still have happened before Christianity/Islam distinction arose. Would be interesting to see an eastern Georgian sample.

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Originally Posted by Eleonor

ohmygad i had to create a new account, i have lost the pass, everything :p


How do i get the new results with the old ones, thx kiss




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.67
2 Atlantic_Med 36.36
3 Caucasus 12.22
4 Gedrosia 5.17
5 Southwest_Asian 1.38
6 Siberian 0.85
7 Northwest_African 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Dodecad) 6.04
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.65
3 Dutch (Dodecad) 8.54
4 Kent (1000Genomes) 10.51
5 Hungarians (Behar) 10.54
6 French (Dodecad) 10.58
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 10.61
8 English (Dodecad) 10.81
9 French (HGDP) 10.92
10 British_Isles (Dodecad) 11.55
11 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 12.88
12 British (Dodecad) 13.09
13 Argyll (1000Genomes) 13.61
14 Orkney (1000Genomes) 13.73
15 Irish (Dodecad) 13.83
16 Orcadian (HGDP) 13.91
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 15.07
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 16.01
19 Romanians (Behar) 20.01
20 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.47

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You're in the wrong thread, darling ;)

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Originally Posted by Kyp

They exist. But not as common as Gecko claimed. I think it's mainly restricted to Alevis in places like Kahranmaras:

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Correct. This is more or less non existent amongst the bulk of the Alevi Kurds though.
I've seen a few Maras results like this but found no way to verify whether or not they were fully Kurdish. I've posted them before in this thread. However, from the ones I have spoken to, they all have a distant non Kurdish ancestor down the line which would explain the high east eurasian (even a single Circassian great grandparent would suffice).

Hence why I asked for a fully Kurdish result.

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Originally Posted by Leto

You're in the wrong thread, darling ;)

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wow sorry i did read west and central europe in the title :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

Show me one fully Alevi Kurdish result that shows 50% Anatolian Turkish or 3-5% East Eurasian.

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This tool is not designed to measure total East Asian in any population. For one thing the Caucasus component is based on all the following populations some of which have a decent amount of East Asian. In other words it's hidden in these populations:

Population	Caucasus
Georgians	74%
Abhkasians	70%
Armenians	60%
North_Ossetians	57%
Balkars	57%
Adygei	57%
Armenian	56%
Assyrian	52%
Chechens	51%
Druze	50%
Turkish	46%
Kumyks	46%
Turks	46%
Lezgins	46%
Uzbekistan_Jews	45%
Kurd	40%
Iranian	40%

Also the Gedrosian component is based on populations below some of which also have substantial East Asian. In other words Gedrosian has hidden East Asian also.

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Population	Gedrosia
Brahui	70%
Balochi	64%
Makrani	61%
Sindhi	51%
Jatt	46%
Pathan	44%
Meena	43%
Burusho	43%
Indian	39%
Velamas	38%
Kshatriya	38%
Meghawal	36%
Dharkars	35%
Kanjars	35%
Kurmi	34%
Tajiks	34%

Having said this even on this calculator 3-5% is not a limiting factor for Kurds since many Kurds such as these from KurdishDNA blog and even yourself probably are in this range. Not to mention most of the Kurdish samples I have


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Lol, how do you manage to break the webpage repeatedly? ;) ;)

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Yeah haven't thought of that.
Although I think that the reason Georgians, and to a degree Armenians, display such "clean" results is due in part to their Christian faith and identity. This distinction, together with geography, has probably shielded them from mingling with their neighbors.
So, while Azerbaijanis have mixed with all their neighbors, including Avars, Lezgins and Iranians, which can also be seen in their results, the same can't be said (for now) about Georgians. Even Azerbaijanis in Georgia do not seem to have mixed with the locals, unlike Azeris in Dagestan.

One possibility I see is that the mixing with non-Georgians could still have happened before Christianity/Islam distinction arose. Would be interesting to see an eastern Georgian sample.

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The Azerbaijanis are a Turkic people. I don't know about you, maybe you personally hesitate to call yourself a Turk but before Stalin the Azerbaijanis were officially Turks. And being Turkic in that region means being a lot more recent there than Caucasians, Armenians and even Iranians. On the other hand, Georgians never spoke an Iranian or Turkic language.

The font is so fucking small, my goddamn eyes are bleeding! :stop

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Originally Posted by Leto

The Azerbaijanis are a Turkic people. I don't know about you, maybe you personally hesitate to call yourself a Turk but before Stalin the Azerbaijanis were officially Turks. And being Turkic in that region means being a lot more recent there than Caucasians, Armenians and even Iranians. On the other hand, Georgians never spoke an Iranian or Turkic language.

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I think you missed the point of what I wrote. Azeris are Turkic, no one questions that.
Being recent or not is not that relevant either. After all, Vainakhs are not recent, they are natives of Caucasus, yet they are not nearly as pure "Caucasus" as Georgians. The same goes for Dagestanis, which are even more different. They also never spoke Turkic or other languages yet they show much higher degree of admixture.

The point I was trying to make is that being Christian, Georgians and Armenians probably kept their communities separate from the rest of the Caucasus. Their autosomal results clearly show that. They are largely "intact", so to speak.
Intermarriage is much more common when it is interfaith, especially in a region such as Caucasus. Any way, this is all a conjecture. We will see when we have the results.

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Originally Posted by Leto

The font is so fucking small, my goddamn eyes are bleeding! :stop

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How does he do that?:D Is there a special malware?

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

Show me one fully Alevi Kurdish result that shows 50% Anatolian Turkish or 3-5% East Eurasian.

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I meant that Alevi Kurds can range between 3-5% east eurasian(30-50% Anatolian Turk), i didn’t state any numbers or statistics, neither I claimed 5% is common or whatever. This 5% east eurasian Kurd was from K.Maras and is already showed here, but I saw some Alevi Kurdish results who were around 3% east eurasian and they weren’t from there. My point was that Kurds generally don’t show that amount of east eurasian admixture(generally 1-2%), i just know this from mixed cities like K.Maras, Igdir etc. Imo below 3% isn’t any indication for Turkish ancestry but any amount of it doesn’t change the identity of them, I am not interested in claiming Kurds have generally high amount of east eurasian Dna, most of Kurds show rarely show up to 3%, if they don’t live in mixed areas. And even then they don’t necessarily have considerable amount of it.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

I meant that Alevi Kurds can range between 3-5% east eurasian(30-50% Anatolian Turk), i didn’t state any numbers or statistics, neither I claimed 5% is common or whatever. This 5% east eurasian Kurd was from K.Maras and is already showed here, but I saw some Alevi Kurdish results who were around 3% east eurasian and they weren’t from there. My point was that Kurds generally don’t show that amount of east eurasian admixture(generally 1-2%), i just know this from mixed cities like K.Maras, Igdir etc. Imo below 3% isn’t any indication for Turkish ancestry but any amount of it doesn’t change the identity of them, I am not interested in claiming Kurds have generally high amount of east eurasian Dna, most of Kurds show rarely show up to 3%, if they don’t live in mixed areas. And even then they don’t necessarily have considerable amount of it.

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How does 3-5% east eurasian translate to 30%-50% anatolian Turk?

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

How does 3-5% east eurasian translate to 30%-50% anatolian Turk?

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Because Kurds generally don’t show any. Look at other Iranics like Iranians or even Tadjiks, if they don’t have any Turkish ancestry they rarely show any. And this east eurasian can have a relation to steppe, but i doubt they had big amount of it that they would show 3-5% east eurasian nowadays. Iranics with most preserved steppe admixture don’t have any or considerable east eurasian.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Because Kurds generally don’t show any. Look at other Iranics like Iranians or even Tadjiks, if they don’t have any Turkish ancestry they rarely show any. And this east eurasian can have a relation to steppe, but i doubt they had big amount of it that they would show 3-5% east eurasian nowadays. Iranics with most preserved steppe admixture don’t have any or considerable east eurasian.

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I score 3% on this calculator, how would that make me 30%-50% Anatolian Turk?

Azerbaijani who, by the looks of it, is half Ukrainian:

Gedrosia 11.32 Pct
Siberian 2.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 17.91 Pct
North_European 30.64 Pct
South_Asian 1.66 Pct
East_African 0.1 Pct
Southwest_Asian 7.75 Pct
East_Asian 0.21 Pct
Caucasus 27.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.08 Pct

Distance to: Ilqar
6.02347076 Turk_Deliorman
7.32170062 Turk_Trakya
8.35184411 Pomak_Greece
8.99711620 Moldovan_Gagauz
9.25078375 Turk_Makedonya
9.28373847 Bulgarian_East
9.92755760 Greek_Macedonia
10.40986551 Pomak_Bulgaria
10.47097417 Bulgarian_Central
10.61304857 Bulgarian_Thrace
11.16509292 Moldovan_South
11.17251091 Bulgarian_West
12.13763568 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.15019753 Romanian

Distance to: Ilqar
1.87773454 53.20% Armenian_West + 46.80% Finnish_West
1.91537968 65.20% Moldovan_North + 34.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.03615182 36.00% Kurd_Kurmanji + 64.00% Moldovan_North
2.04906076 37.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 62.40% Moldovan_North
2.11153471 64.40% Moldovan_North + 35.60% Zaza_Kurd
2.16272146 33.20% Kurd_Feyli + 66.80% Moldovan_North
2.17771962 57.20% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk + 42.80% Zaza_Kurd
2.20768038 39.00% Azerbaijani + 61.00% Moldovan_North
2.21607616 47.60% Polish_Warmia-Masuria + 52.40% Turk_East
2.27272011 38.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 61.80% Moldovan_North
2.27466557 45.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 54.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.29283600 33.00% Iranian_Lur + 67.00% Moldovan_North
2.30847387 43.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 56.60% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.31939141 46.40% Azerbaijani + 53.60% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.34929548 45.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 55.00% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.47817455 54.80% Armenian_East + 45.20% Finnish_West
2.49539362 35.40% Turkmen_Iraq + 64.60% Moldovan_North
2.50279171 42.60% Turkmen_Iraq + 57.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.50708246 64.80% Moldovan_North + 35.20% Yazidi_Kurd
2.52609511 44.40% Polish + 55.60% Turk_Central_East
2.53438480 35.20% Kurd_Sorani + 64.80% Moldovan_North
2.54676327 47.00% Turk_Southeast + 53.00% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.55290648 37.80% Azerbaijani_Iran + 62.20% Bosnian
2.55368360 75.60% Pomak_Greece + 24.40% Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
2.57058765 53.60% Slovak + 46.40% Turk_East