How did Y-DNA haplogroup Q enter Scandinavia?

The key to this is the distribution among the people along the Irtisch River, and between Amudaria and Surdaria rivers

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Originally Posted by Agrippa

Old, archaic Eurasian marker - predates the Mongoloid race.

Or influx of later, probably even partially Mongoloid newcomers, from the steppe-East or Greenland-Inuits.

Just two options :)

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Originally Posted by Eburos

Is it possible that the Vikings may have brought slaves back from the new world,(Greenland or Vinland) bearing this haplogroup Q? :confused:

Perhaps some of these slaves, if there were any, managed to enter the Scandinavian gene pool.

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There would had to have been a significant amount of Eskimos or American Indian slaves to account for 4% Q in Norway. As of 2010 there are only 50,000 Greenland Inuits and many of them are part Danish in the paternal line. There could have not been enough Eskinos in medieval Greenland to account for 4% Q in Norway. Though they could be responsible for some of the Q. I think Q in Norway must be the mainly the remnants of an ancient people who wandered, or were pushed, to the end of northwestern Europe.

off-topic, but What is the majority haplogroup in Scandinavia?

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Originally Posted by Agrippa

Old, archaic Eurasian marker - predates the Mongoloid race.

Or influx of later, probably even partially Mongoloid newcomers, from the steppe-East or Greenland-Inuits.

Just two options :)

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When I see a pattern of haplogroups scattered all around , unlinked geographically to each other and where you can't trace a cline (like it works for the R1a instead...) so that you cannot say where it has originated and the direction along wich it moves , I'm brought to think that that haplo was previously widespred all over and then , very likely due to invanders , only a few small pockets of it survived here and there...
The pockets in Norway could be the last Q remnants of an ancient Siberian (Mongol) people who survived to the IndoEuropeans/Aryan from south , thanks to mountanous refuges.

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Originally Posted by Curtis24

off-topic, but What is the majority haplogroup in Scandinavia?

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I1 followed by R1a and R1b, then I guess it's N1c if I remember correctly.

Thanks! :)

To the thread topic, Scandinavia had trading cities in the Middle Ages that attracted foreign merchant types and slaves. Maybe some merchants with Q spread it around..

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Originally Posted by Curtis24

Thanks! :)

To the thread topic, Scandinavia had trading cities in the Middle Ages that attracted foreign merchant types and slaves. Maybe some merchants with Q spread it around..

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Why should those merchants made it to Norway in such numbers, but not other, partially more important trading areas?

If this haplogroup came late by trade, then slaves I'd say...

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Originally Posted by Tony

When I see a pattern of haplogroups scattered all around , unlinked geographically to each other and where you can't trace a cline (like it works for the R1a instead...) so that you cannot say where it has originated and the direction along wich it moves , I'm brought to think that that haplo was previously widespred all over and then , very likely due to invanders , only a few small pockets of it survived here and there...
The pockets in Norway could be the last Q remnants of an ancient Siberian (Mongol) people who survived to the IndoEuropeans/Aryan from south , thanks to mountanous refuges.

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Possible. Probably we will know it - when ancient Mesolithic bones being tested for it, though I doubt it...

According to this other study (Dupuy et al. 2005) there is no 4% of Q, but less than 1% :
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5773/r1bnorway.png

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Originally Posted by Iberia

According to this other study (Dupuy et al. 2005) there is no 4% of Q, but less than 1% :
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5773/r1bnorway.png

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I have already seen that table, here is what PJ said about it:

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Originally Posted by Paul_Johnsen

Yes, N3 is now N1c1.

However the table isn't correct. It does not include Q (typed under R1b), and some in the hg I bracket are not hg I.

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https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sh...64&postcount=6

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Originally Posted by Paul_Johnsen

Hg I1 and R1b are in fact BR*(xDE J N3 P) and P*(xR1a)respectively.

I make it predicted I1 = 33,11% (predicted I2b1 = 1,59%) and predicted R1b = 24,14% (predicted Q = 2,65%).

Geographical heterogeneity of Y-chromosomal lineages in Norway also says: "In northern Norway the N3 percentage is 18.6 % in Finnmark, 8.6 % in Troms and 8.4 % in Nordland (which are the three northernmost counties – Nordland being located to the south of the other two (Supplementary data online, figure 2))."

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https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sh...48&postcount=3