Copt's Near East Neolithic K13 Results

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10-13-2016, 04:16 PM
oblivion

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Originally Posted by Sarkin Waziri Sanusi

Interesting. Can you post any other gedmatch results like ANE K6, West Eurasia K8 or Steppe K10 if you don't mind?

I posted the ane k6... where is west eurasia k8 and steppe k10?
10-13-2016, 04:29 PM
Petalpusher

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Originally Posted by oblivion

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 55.15
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 15.73
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 15.03
4 Sub_Saharan 11.36
5 East_Asian 1.52
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 BedouinA 6.18
2 Egyptian 7.35
3 Palestinian 7.69
4 Jordanian 8.34
5 Saudi 8.72
6 Jew_Yemenite 9.37
7 Jew_Tunisian 9.6
8 Jew_Libyan 9.89
9 Libyan 9.93
10 Lebanese 9.99
11 Syrian 10.71
12 Levant_BA 11.9
13 Jew_Moroccan 11.91
14 Druze 13.2
15 Yemeni 13.23
16 Cypriot 13.44
17 Jew_Ashkenazi 15.98
18 Jew_iraqi 17.99
19 Sicilian 18.1
20 Turkish 18.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.6% Libyan + 45.4% Levant_BA @ 1.47
2 65% Levant_BA + 35% Moroccan @ 1.6
3 69.8% Saudi + 30.2% Algerian @ 1.97
4 62.6% Levant_BA + 37.4% Algerian @ 2
5 68.3% Jew_Yemenite + 31.7% Algerian @ 2.13
6 71.9% Saudi + 28.1% Saharawi @ 2.14
7 70.5% Jew_Yemenite + 29.5% Saharawi @ 2.58
8 63.1% Egyptian + 36.9% Levant_BA @ 2.89
9 65.1% Levant_BA + 34.9% Saharawi @ 2.9
10 72.6% Saudi + 27.4% Moroccan @ 2.92
11 53.6% Saudi + 46.4% Libyan @ 3.05
12 71.1% Jew_Yemenite + 28.9% Moroccan @ 3.17
13 51.6% Jew_Yemenite + 48.4% Libyan @ 3.28
14 84.4% BedouinA + 15.6% Anatolia_N @ 3.53
15 58.5% Libyan + 41.5% Cypriot @ 3.93
16 68.5% Yemeni + 31.5% Anatolia_N @ 4.04
17 87.5% BedouinA + 12.5% Europe_EN @ 4.1
18 81.8% Egyptian + 18.2% Anatolia_N @ 4.11
19 89.3% Levant_BA + 10.7% Mota @ 4.16
20 76.8% Palestinian + 23.2% Saharawi @ 4.2

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Levant_BA +50% Libyan @ 1.772285

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Levant_BA +25% Libyan +25% Libyan @ 1.772285

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Algerian + Egyptian + Levant_BA + Levant_BA @ 1.063067
2 Algerian + BedouinA + Levant_BA + Levant_BA @ 1.406837
3 Anatolia_N + Jew_Yemenite + Yemeni + Yemeni @ 1.411981
4 BedouinA + Levant_BA + Levant_BA + Moroccan @ 1.498652
5 BedouinA + Levant_BA + Levant_BA + Saharawi @ 1.531816
6 Jordanian + Levant_BA + Levant_BA + Saharawi @ 1.592438
7 Anatolia_N + Saudi + Yemeni + Yemeni @ 1.646890
8 Algerian + BedouinA + Levant_BA + Saudi @ 1.649951
9 Jordanian + Levant_BA + Saharawi + Saudi @ 1.663532
10 Jew_Tunisian + Jew_Yemenite + Levant_BA + Saharawi @ 1.678842
11 BedouinA + Levant_BA + Saharawi + Saudi @ 1.688128
12 Levant_BA + Palestinian + Saharawi + Saudi @ 1.696607
13 Jew_Tunisian + Levant_BA + Saharawi + Saudi @ 1.696658
14 Jew_Tunisian + Jew_Yemenite + Jew_Yemenite + Saharawi @ 1.720538
15 Egyptian + Levant_BA + Levant_BA + Moroccan @ 1.724707
16 Algerian + BedouinA + Jew_Yemenite + Levant_BA @ 1.735804
17 Jew_Tunisian + Levant_BA + Libyan + Libyan @ 1.762515
18 Levant_BA + Levant_BA + Libyan + Libyan @ 1.772285
19 Jew_Yemenite + Jordanian + Levant_BA + Saharawi @ 1.773337
20 Jew_Tunisian + Jew_Yemenite + Saharawi + Saudi @ 1.781747

Done.

I think this is very accurate, of course there s no Copt sample but your point is above Egyptian in the direction of Levantines, where copts should be.

K10 is a DIY you should be able to run calculators on your own : http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...al-calculators
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...pe-K10-results

K8 was done on request by Eurogenes, don't think you can have it anymore, it's somewhat outdated anyway.
10-13-2016, 04:38 PM
oblivion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petalpusher

I think this is very accurate, of course there s no Copt sample but your point is above Egyptian in the direction of Levantines, where copts should be.

K10 is a DIY you should be able to run calculators on your own : http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...al-calculators
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...pe-K10-results

K8 was done on request by Eurogenes, don't think you can have it anymore, it's somewhat outdated anyway.

How did you calculate my point?
10-13-2016, 04:45 PM
Petalpusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by oblivion

How did you calculate my point?

I did just mentally looking at a pca, it works the same with K15 since everybody is used to it

You look at the mix mode and you imagine a line 70% towards Saudi, you ll find your point, using for example "69.8% Saudi + 30.2% Algerian @ 1.97" It's not your first fit but still good one with the samples that are included in K15

https://s14.postimg.org/tieod6y73/K15_V3_NEafrica.jpg
10-13-2016, 04:49 PM
oblivion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petalpusher

I did just mentally looking at a pca, it works the same with K15 since everybody is used to it

You look at the mix mode and you imagine a line 70% towards Saudi, you ll find your point, using for example "69.8% Saudi + 30.2% Algerian @ 1.97" It's not your first fit but still good one with the samples that are included in K15

https://s14.postimg.org/tieod6y73/K15_V3_NEafrica.jpg

So since copts represent egyptians pre islam.. we were less african and more near eastern...
10-13-2016, 04:57 PM
PunhetaDeBacalhau

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petalpusher

I did just mentally looking at a pca, it works the same with K15 since everybody is used to it

You look at the mix mode and you imagine a line 70% towards Saudi, you ll find your point, using for example "69.8% Saudi + 30.2% Algerian @ 1.97" It's not your first fit but still good one with the samples that are included in K15

https://s14.postimg.org/tieod6y73/K15_V3_NEafrica.jpg

How come North Sea is so western in that PCA? In most maps Iberians appear as the most "western" after Basques and Sardinians, but since North Sea is so western in that map and Baltic is also half-western and half-eastern instead on mostly eastern, even Norwegians and Danes that have a lot of Eastern European genetics appear as more western than Iberians. I suppose the distance between components on the map is calculated using fst, but how do they decide where the components start on the map?
10-13-2016, 05:42 PM
oblivion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarkin Waziri Sanusi

Interesting. Can you post any other gedmatch results like ANE K6, West Eurasia K8 or Steppe K10 if you don't mind?

Steppe K10 ADMIXTURE Proportions.

68.57% Near_Eastern
2.19% East_Asian
0.19% Siberian
0.26% Oceanian
2.43% WHG-UHG
10.89% Sub-Saharan
12.22% Hindu_Kush
3.23% Steppe
0.00% Amerindian
0.02% Southeast_Asian

Waiting for the west eurasia results..will post shortly.
10-13-2016, 05:46 PM
Profileid

Copts aren't a separate ethnic group. They're just Egyptian.
10-13-2016, 05:49 PM
oblivion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etain

Copts aren't a separate ethnic group. They're just Egyptian.

Not according to genetics... copts are slightly different genetically.. we lack west african dna and have a more near eastern profile than our muslim brothers..
10-13-2016, 05:53 PM
Profileid

Quote:

Originally Posted by oblivion

Not according to genetics... copts are slightly different genetically.. we lack west african dna and have a more near eastern profile than our muslim brothers..

Slight genetic differences can be attributed to differences between regions. A Muslim Egyptian living in Cairo is going to have less SSA than a Muslim Egyptian living in Aswan.
Furthermore, slight genetic differences do not mean they're a separate ethnic group.

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