Who, genetically, are the least Slavic of the Slavs?

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Originally Posted by Litvin

Definitely Bulgarians or Macedonians. Macedonians are probably about as Slavic-admixed as Romanians, or even less.

Slovenes are likely the most Slavic of South Slavs, considering that they can score 40-50% "North Slavic" in DNA Land.

I saw one Bulgarian result and he scored 25% "North Slavic" in DNA Land. Seya (Romanian) scores 17% "North Slavic".

Please note that Proto-Slavs most likely did not score 100% "North Slavic". But we don't have Proto-Slavic aDNA.

West Slavs also have Celtic admixture (apart from Germanic).

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Northern Belarusians may actually be more Baltic than Slavic. But Balts are genetically very similar to Slavs anyway.



These are actually the most genetically Slavic of South Slavs. The least Slavic are Bulgarians or Macedonians.

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I was gunna say Croats are more Slavic because Slovenes have more R1b but Slovenes also have more R1a, so.

Who do you think are the most Slavic/closest to the original invaders? I wanna say SE Poland because of the high amount of R1a but even there you could have Germanic/Celtic or Baltic admixture, and I wanna say SW Russia around Belgorod for the same reason but they will have Uralic admixture and more Mongoloid would be present in other Slavs. Belarus should have too much Baltic. That's why I usually go with NW Ukrainians, less likely to have Germanic/Baltic and they also have the most amount of I2a1(of North Slavs) if you wanna believe Balkan I2a1 is from Slavs. Lots of Slavic expansion maps puts the origin of the migrations from NW Ukraine.

Maybe Sorbs in Saxony? I've seen PCA plots of them where they plot east of Poles so they shouldn't be German admixed. Also 70% R1a(but this can also happen via other means).

and yes, there are definitely "most genetically Slavic, Germanic, Celtic", etc. The people who expanded and spread the language have the closest ties to the language and the best claim on it. Pretty common sense. The most Indo-Iranian people are the Erzya/Mordvins or east Ukrainians(depends if you wanna use Altai Andronovo or Kazakh/Volga Sintashta), the most Germanic people are North Dutch or south Scandinavians, the most Celtic I have no idea but it's probably not British Isles people, Celts only went their as elites, not a mass migration.

Also, I think Montenegrins may be less Slavic than both Bulgarians and Macedonians. Less R1a.

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Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

if you wanna believe Balkan I2a1 is from Slavs.

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Yeah, I2a-Din probably also came with Slavs.

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Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

the most Celtic I have no idea but it's probably not British Isles people, Celts only went their as elites, not a mass migration.

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So what languages were spoken there before?

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Originally Posted by Litvin

Yeah, I2a-Din probably also came with Slavs.



So what languages were spoken there before?

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I dunno, proto-Germanic/Celtic/Italic? You know the Celts only invaded the British Isles in 500 BC right? There was no population displacement and there have been papers that claimed most of the Briton genome(this isn't including Anglo-Saxon admixture which is around 30% for English) was there from the bronze age.

Celts are from Austria/Bavaria/Switzerland, why would they be modern Irish like?

The problem with Dinaric I2a1b1 is it's supposed to be a very new haplogroup but it's found in Cardium Pottery culture in Spain and in a neolithic German.

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Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

Who do you think are the most Slavic/closest to the original invaders?

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I think that Early Slavs could be a bit heterogeneous already before 500 AD.

Some of their groups were probably more similar to Balts, other groups less.

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most of the Briton genome (...) was there from the bronze age.

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Is it impossible that those Bronze Age people already spoke some Proto-Celtic?

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You know the Celts only invaded the British Isles in 500 BC right?

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I know that this used to be the mainstream theory, but maybe it is wrong.

Bulgarians

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Originally Posted by Litvin

Definitely Bulgarians or Macedonians. Macedonians are probably about as Slavic-admixed as Romanians, or even less.

Slovenes are likely the most Slavic of South Slavs, considering that they can score 40-50% "North Slavic" in DNA Land.

I saw one Bulgarian result and he scored 25% "North Slavic" in DNA Land. Seya (Romanian) scores 17% "North Slavic".

Please note that Proto-Slavs most likely did not score 100% "North Slavic". But we don't have Proto-Slavic aDNA.

West Slavs also have Celtic admixture (apart from Germanic).

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Northern Belarusians may actually be more Baltic than Slavic. But Balts are genetically very similar to Slavs anyway.



These are actually the most genetically Slavic of South Slavs. The least Slavic are Bulgarians or Macedonians.

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You seem to be very lax in your use of terms. The so called DNA Land's North Slavic component peaks in lithuanians and latvians so if anything that component should be called baltic and by your own logic north slavs are basterdized balts or lesser balts. The most appropriate term would probably be north-eastern european. Etain is right, slavic is a linguistic term not a genetic one. Slavs from Southern Europe are mix of north-easterns and balkanites (if that's an appropriate term) hence their genetic make up.
Seya is, by her own admission, part greek .. or at least that's what she had written in her profile a while a ago. That doesn't mean she's not romanian. There are 2 other romanians who took the test - myself and tschort. I score 55% of that "glorious" north slavic, tschort scores close to 50%.
As for your theories on belarussians and balts I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

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Originally Posted by Zmey Gorynych

You seem to be very lax in your use of terms. The so called DNA Land's North Slavic component peaks in lithuanians and latvians so if anything that component should be called baltic and by your own logic north slavs are basterdized balts or lesser balts. The most appropriate term would probably be north-eastern european. Etain is right, slavic is a linguistic term not a genetic one. Slavs from Southern Europe are mix of north-easterns and balkanites (if that's an appropriate term) hence their genetic make up.
Seya is, by her own admission, part greek .. or at least that's what she had written in her profile a while a ago. That doesn't mean she's not romanian. There are 2 other romanians who took the test - myself and tschort. I score 55% of that "glorious" north slavic, tschort scores close to 50%.
As for your theories on belarussians and balts I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

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Tschort is not even romanian by ancestry/genetics and you are moldovan so you are slav admixed relative to romanians from Romania.

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Originally Posted by Antimage

Tschort is not even romanian by ancestry/genetics and you are moldovan so you are slav admixed relative to romanians from Romania.

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Yes, I'm from the republic but I'm a native with no slavic ancestry at least in the last couple of hundred years which is exactly the period of slavic colonization of eastern Moldova (otherwise there would've been at least one slavic surname). Sure there might be admixture older than 200 years or 500 or 1000. I've read tschort's claims of being part hutsul yet genetically he's slightly less eastern than me (someone with no north slavic ancestry). His maternal side is romanian/moldovan from Vaslui and his paternal side seems about as slavic as his maternal one.

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Originally Posted by Litvin

Definitely Bulgarians or Macedonians. Macedonians are probably about as Slavic-admixed as Romanians, or even less.

Slovenes are likely the most Slavic of South Slavs, considering that they can score 40-50% "North Slavic" in DNA Land.

I saw one Bulgarian result and he scored 25% "North Slavic" in DNA Land. Seya (Romanian) scores 17% "North Slavic".

Please note that Proto-Slavs most likely did not score 100% "North Slavic". But we don't have Proto-Slavic aDNA.

West Slavs also have Celtic admixture (apart from Germanic).

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Northern Belarusians may actually be more Baltic than Slavic. But Balts are genetically very similar to Slavs anyway.



These are actually the most genetically Slavic of South Slavs. The least Slavic are Bulgarians or Macedonians.

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DNAland is terrible. North Slavic includes Mordvins who are a Finnic group. I score 85% North Slavic however on Gedmatch my mixture tends to be 25% Slav. DNAland is not accurate to prove anything.

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Originally Posted by Norka

DNAland is terrible. North Slavic includes Mordvins who are a Finnic group. I score 85% North Slavic however on Gedmatch my mixture tends to be 25% Slav. DNAland is not accurate to prove anything.

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You're right DNA Land is crap which inflates scores (similar to 23&me in that respect).