Iron Age Croatia ?

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Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Pretty sure Nato posted this sample months ago.

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Where ? He posted Vučedol, which is bronze age. I never knew for any Iron Age samples, that is people were trolling Bronze Age is too old, those West Med like samples were not Illyrians
, because Illyrians were Iron Age people. HAHA :)))

There is complete continuity from BA to IA.

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Originally Posted by Dickski

So Illyrians were west med people. What about trying out south Germans. They come out as half iron age Nordic half Roman

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Well this one is closest to Bergamo, which is CisAlpine Gaul + neolithic or Roman like ?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Well this one is closest to Bergamo, which is CisAlpine Gaul + neolithic or Roman like ?

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Idk peterski once said that. If south slavs aren’t Slavic because of the admixture then south Germans aren’t Germanic

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Where ? He posted Vučedol, which is bronze age. I never knew for any Iron Age samples, that is people were trolling Bronze Age is too old, those West Med like sample were not Illyrians
, because Illyrians were Iron Age people. HAHA :)))

There is complete continuity from BA to IA.

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Nvm I checked his thread history it is BA.

It isn't trolling; anyone who knows about ancient history/archaeology academically knows Illyrians came from East Hallstatt during the Iron Age. How ever it was always pretty obvious it was more of a cultural uptake than a genetic replacement like in say West Europe; considering how neolithic shifted non slavic Balkanites are like Albos, Aromanians, Greeks etc; bearing in mind they're probs north shifted compared to their pre 500 AD ancestors.

Mtdna looks to be the same as my dads based off a mtdna predictor I did.

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Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Nvm I checked his thread history it is BA.

It isn't trolling; anyone who knows about ancient history/archaeology academically knows Illyrians came from East Hallstatt during the Iron Age. How ever it was always pretty obvious it was more of a cultural uptake than a genetic replacement like in say West Europe; considering how neolithic shifted non slavic Balkanites are like Albos, Aromanians, Greeks etc; bearing in mind they're probs north shifted compared to their pre 500 AD ancestors.

Mtdna looks to be the same as my dads based off a mtdna predictor I did.

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Super cool.
Still clustering with North Italians is def. not that southern as some people imagined. West Med people have more steppe admixture than East Med ones, and some tought Illrians will be Greek like.
Not at all.

They explain our western look compared to SE Slavs, because our native ancestors were already more western (and northern) looking/plotting compared to them.
That is why Bulgarians for example look more eastern than we, and they have less Slavic blood than us.

It's because their native ancestors were Greek like and South Italian like (more SE shifted, more east med), unlike ours.
This explain everything.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Super cool.
Still clustering with North Italians is def. not that southern as some people imagined. West Med people have more steppe admixture than East Med ones, and some tought Illrians will be Greek like.
Not at all.

They explain our western look compared to SE Slavs, because our native ancestors were already more western (and northern) looking/plotting compared to them.
That is why Bulgarians for example look more eastern than we, and they have less Slavic blood than us.

It's because their native ancestors were Greek like and South Italian like, unlike ours.
This explain everything.

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One of the Dalmatian samples plotted as North as modern Romanians, and in between North Italians and Iberians in terms of Westness. So defo different to modern day non slavic balkanites. There was an obvious cline from north to south and east to west since the Thracian/Bulgarian sample was a wog genetically and much more southeastern.

I would love for them to get some late samples preceding the gothic and slavic invasions. There was some heavy Celtic settlements in the west Balkans from the 3rd century BC onwards.

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Originally Posted by Ayetooey

One of the Dalmatian samples plotted as North as modern Romanians, and in between North Italians and Iberians in terms of Westness. So defo different to modern day non slavic balkanites. There was an obvious cline from north to south and east to west since the Thracian/Bulgarian sample was a wog genetically and much more southeastern.

I would love for them to get some late samples preceding the gothic and slavic invasions. There was some heavy Celtic settlements in the west Balkans from the 3rd century BC onwards.

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Yes, this prove non Slavic Balkanites were also changed since ancient times, more than they would admit.
I would like these samples too.

And Roman era ones. Because I believe Illyrians became more southern than these samples after romanisation.
Latin language always come with some admix, look at Iberia. But in Balkan it was probably less severe.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Super cool.
Still clustering with North Italians is def. not that southern as some people imagined. West Med people have more steppe admixture than East Med ones, and some tought Illrians will be Greek like.
Not at all.

They explain our western look compared to SE Slavs, because our native ancestors were already more western (and northern) looking/plotting compared to them.
That is why Bulgarians for example look more eastern than we, and they have less Slavic blood than us.

It's because their native ancestors were Greek like and South Italian like (more SE shifted, more east med), unlike ours.
This explain everything.

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Did you include Collegno_MA_o1 for Roman input to your model?

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Originally Posted by Vid Flumina

Did you include Collegno_MA_o1 for Roman input to your model?

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I will try it now. I tired with Germanic sample included, but yielded no result for me. I simply don't have it in any significant amount.

Bronze age Dalmatian posted below. Roman/Italian samples found so far are close to Sicilians, so such an admix would bring locals far to the south/east.

https://i.imgur.com/l3vQ8Wu.png