Elite Colonial Brazilian DNA results

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Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus

No, white people from South Brazil have this german-italian combo and they are from XIX century. Espírito Santo, Mato Grosso and Mato Grasso do Sul could be included in this category too.

Sao Paulo has a lot of whites with both colonial and italian ancestry.

Most whites in the rest of Brazil are colonials with only some exceptions, they are mainly iberian and arrived centuries ago. They live mostly as white minorities in 20-45% white states.

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Your picture is not that accurate. There's an ocean of difference between whites from Rio de Janeiro and Minas Gerais and the ones in the North or Northeast, for example.
These two states (RJ, MG) received Portuguese (or Italians as well in the case of MG) until late 19th century (MG) or 1950 (RJ).

The Europeans who arrived centuries ago were mainly in Northeast and I doubt there are many colonial whites in Northeast above 90% European. It's possible in MG and RJ because in these states, especially MG, the biggest flow of immigration happened in the 18th century and it's not that far in time.

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Originally Posted by Adamastor

Your picture is not that accurate. There's an ocean of difference between whites from Rio de Janeiro and Minas Gerais and the ones in the North or Northeast, for example.
These two states (RJ, MG) received Portuguese (or Italians as well in the case of MG) until late 19th century (MG) or 1950 (RJ).

The Europeans who arrived centuries ago were mainly in Northeast and I doubt there are many colonial whites in Northeast above 90% European. It's possible in MG and RJ because in these states, especially MG, the biggest flow of immigration happened in the 18th century and it's not that far in time.

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There is a huge difference between 20% and 45%, its more than double.

Also I said "MOST" for all three categories, its clearly a generalization or do you think all whites in South Brazil are a german-italian combo?

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Originally Posted by Pedro Ruben

Interesting! Practically Portuguese!... in k13 i have :Amerindian 1.19 + Siberian 0.56

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So... would you say she looks like a fully Portuguese female from Portugal?

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Originally Posted by Latinus

So... would you say she looks like a fully Portuguese female from Portugal?

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Of course, this person is 97-98% Portuguese, it would be impossible to look like any other thing. Any admixture below 5% is very unlikely to show in phenotype, especially Amerindian that can be invisible even in much higher amounts.

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Originally Posted by Latinus

So... would you say she looks like a fully Portuguese female from Portugal?

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Yes, although she has the Amerindian percentage highest than a Portuguese native, but the difference is not very significant... since in k13 she has 3% of Amerindian and I have 1.19% Amerindian and 0.56 Siberian (similar). It makes little difference, we can see that in Single Population Sharing:
1 Portuguese
2 Spanish_Galicia
3 Spanish_Extremadura

Which are the same populations as in my results

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Originally Posted by Adamastor

Of course, this person is 97-98% Portuguese, it would be impossible to look like any other thing. Any admixture below 5% is very unlikely to show in phenotype, especially Amerindian that can be invisible even in much higher amounts.

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Then... why do I perceive a "New World Vibe"?
Or is just a wrongly perception from my part? Since Iberian/Southern Euros phenotypes are common in Brazil, I might think of them as having a Brazilian vibe, even if they look fully European, is that it?

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Originally Posted by Latinus

Then... why do I perceive a "New World Vibe"?
Or is just a wrongly perception from my part? Since Iberian/Southern Euros phenotypes are common in Brazil, I might think of them as having a Brazilian vibe, even if they look fully European, is that it?

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A picture is black and white, old ... can be deceiving ... but I at first glance see nothing of "New World Vibe" :p

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Originally Posted by Latinus

Then... why do I perceive a "New World Vibe"?
Or is just a wrongly perception from my part? Since Iberian/Southern Euros phenotypes are common in Brazil, I might think of them as having a Brazilian vibe, even if they look fully European, is that it?

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Dude, anyone that is above 95% European will look European, no matter what. 2% of admixture is impossible to show strongly. There are people with 10%+ of non-white blood who just look white, with 2% looking mixed is impossible.

The owner of this forum himself, Loki, is around 4-5% SSA and he just looks Northwestern European.

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Originally Posted by Adamastor

Dude, anyone that is above 95% European will look European, no matter what. 2% of admixture is impossible to show strongly. There are people with 10%+ of non-white blood who just look white, with 2% looking mixed is impossible.

The owner of this forum himself, Loki, is around 4-5% SSA and he just looks Northwestern European.

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I know, I'm not doubting that, LOL.
I'm just saying the following: if you had told me she was Castiza, I wouldn't doubt.
But Pedro Rubens, who is Tuga and impartial, said she has no New World Vibe, and he would probably perceive it if she had.

It's the same with Ivete Sangalo, she is very close to full Euro, but still looks New World Brazilian, in my opinion.

She is 95 years old, she is probably a great grandmother by now, probably her grandsons and great grandsons are already mixed. Unless she kept her "elite" status and wanted to mantain the blood intact.

I wonder if some of these "elite" families are not a bit inbred, assuming that the vast majority of Portuguese colonials mixed with africans and natives, in order to mantain and keep the European blood pure or relatively pure they would have to select just a few families who they could breed with.