So Celts were North Europeans after all?

Because ancient celt peoples were not one people and recent genetic evidence does not support the notion of a significant genetic link between these peoples.

basically they used inodeuropean languages, and some of them shared some cultural costumes.

The term "celtic" encompassed many realities.

Maybe those Celt ancient individuals had nothing to do with those who settled in Ireland.Or they did...

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Originally Posted by Nassbean

How do you explain that their descendents are genetically so different ? I mean la tène culture is quite "recent" ...Maybe the impact of the roman empire and its colonies ?

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The main difference I think is their mix with EEF.

Depending of the grade of this mix much more will be the difference.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Because ancient celt peoples were not one people and recent genetic evidence does not support the notion of a significant genetic link between these peoples.

basically they used inodeuropean languages, and some of them shared some cultural costumes.

The term "celtic" encompassed many realities.

Maybe those Celt ancient individuals had nothing to do with those who settled in Ireland.Or they did...

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The Celts of Ireland are different in fact they are one of the most different and unique of all.

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Originally Posted by Token

This is possible. Maybe it will turn out that we are heavily underestimating the impact of Romans in Europe. But these samples are too northern and i'm still trying to digest the idea. What i'm sure is that La Tené is as Celtic as you can get.

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Do we have any social background info ?

I don't think necessarily that Romans can explain the differences, I would more say that most of these differences (between Celtic "populations") already existed before that Celts came out.

And yeah you can't be more celtic than La Tène, in fact one of the Celic cultures is named La Tène Culture.

Strange samples anyway, I don't know why they are Scandinavian like.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Because ancient celt peoples were not one people and recent genetic evidence does not support the notion of a significant genetic link between these peoples.

basically they used inodeuropean languages, and some of them shared some cultural costumes.

The term "celtic" encompassed many realities.

Maybe those Celt ancient individuals had nothing to do with those who settled in Ireland.Or they did...

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I agree, but prior to the expansion there would have been an original Proto-Celtic people living somewhere. It is settled that Celtic language and culture expanded from Central Europe though, and La Tené is the culture that succeded Hallstatt, which is considered Proto-Celtic. Celtic art in particular is actually La Tené art.

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Originally Posted by Samnium

Do we have any social background info ?

I don't think necessarily that Romans can explain the differences, I would more say that most of these differences (between Celtic "populations") already existed before that Celts came out.

And yeah you can't be more celtic than La Tène, in fact one of the Celic cultures is named La Tène Culture.

Strange samples anyway, I don't know why they are Scandinavian like.

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No social background, these samples were 'ripped off' (they were published actually) from an upcoming study on Swiss genetics and Davidski uploaded them to G25.

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Originally Posted by Token

No social background, these samples were 'ripped off' (they were published actually) from an upcoming study on Swiss genetics and Davidski uploaded them to G25.

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Maybe migrants ? But unlikely, at the end of the day Celts were thought to come from Scandinavia so if some Celtic samples are Scandinavian like, it's not surprising.

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Originally Posted by Samnium

Maybe migrants ? But unlikely, at the end of the day Celts were thought to come from Scandinavia so if some Celtic samples are Scandinavian like, it's not surprising.

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It would be too much of a coincidence if all of the samples tested happen to be migrants.

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Originally Posted by Token

It would be too much of a coincidence if all of the samples tested happen to be migrants.

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I agree, they look very similar each other, no "pattern" neither variation, and I don't recall something about migrants storming in la Tène.

They are from Canton Aargau in Switzerland but how do you know they are Iron Age (supposedly 100 BC) and not Bronze or Copper Age?

Is there any official confirmation that they are dated to ca. 100 BCE?

As noted, they are much more northern-shifted than modern Swiss.