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now somebody could mark their modern matches on a map. including the modern people they tested in the last 2 studies (the Arpad study and this one.)
without the too old/widespread haplogroups of course.
EDIT: i think the samples from the Arpad study aren't on this list.
I hope that one day, they will publish the autosomal genetic of those conquerors.
one of them was on gedmatch, I think he was close to North Caucasians, but take that with a grain of salt because it was a very low quality sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
there is also the SZ1 Avar on Gedmatch and G25, he's mostly Roman with only a little bit of East Asian and Caucasian.
Yes i know it, but, how do you say, we can analyze only 700 Snps, if i'm not wrong. So basically nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
As blondye explained before, they were mostly turkic and partially germanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
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Originally Posted by Blondie
I want to see the coordinates, not Blondie's speculations ahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by eatensemn
Its based on scientific sources not speculations:Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794...is_english.pdf
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-m7oUDW2R4...omes_Fig_7.jpg
Conquerors had turkic names, turkic culture and turkic religion too. It makes no sense consider them slavs, or iranics or ugrics etc because these haplogroups came from turkics. Just because having e-v13 doesn't make you east african.
They were closest to baskhirs, chuvash and other turkics Turul Karom has source about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
Problem with that study is discussed here, I'll repost:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondie
So: 1) That study didn't take in account archeogenetics of Ural region cultures associated with HungariansQuote:
Authors have suggested that the mixed population of steppe nomads (Central Asian Scythians) and descendants of the East European Srubnaya culture’s population among other undescribed populations could have been the basis of genetic makeup of Hungarian conquerors. Their results furthermore assume Asian Hunnic-Hungarian conqueror genetic connections . It is important to note, that the investigated medieval sample set does not represent the conqueror population as a whole, hence 76% of the samples originated from a special site complex Karos Eperjesszög from northeast Hungary, which is one of the most important sites of the Hungarian Conquest period with many findings of eastern characteristics as well. The conclusions are large-scale, but the most highlighted connection with the population of the Srubnaya culture is vague, because it existed more than 2000 years before the appearance of the first traces of ancient Hungarians’ archaeological heritage. Additionally, further mentioned relations such as the Xiongnu (Hunnic) genetic dataset is bare from Eurasia, and Huns’ genetic heritage is basically unknown, as well.
Neparáczki et al.14 2020 have described the Hungarian conqueror mitogenome diversity in essence as a mixture of Srubnaya and Asian nomadic populations. Their analyses and interpretation were restricted by the lack of ancient samples from the Ural region, whereas new data now refine such previous conclusions . Furthermore, it is notable, that the previously studied Hungarian conqueror population is a pool of mixed origin including not only immigrants but also local admixed lineages from the Carpathian Basin.
2) Majority of conqueror samples come from only 1 location
3) relations with Srubnaya culture and Huns is just a speculation
4) some of conqueror graves tested in previous studies included people already mixed with natives of Carpathian Basin (which is why we find some typical Slavic and Germanic markers there)
Not true. Some of the conquerors had Turkic name, but their name's majority was not Turkic names.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondie
Totally fals, they had late ancient origin steppic Ugric culture (ancient Irano-Ugric syncretism from Western Siberian) based on the archeological findings (Kushnarenkovo, Uegly, conqueror findings). Nobody knows what was the mythical Turkic elements in the conqueror culture, because they had not.Quote:
turkic culture
What Turkic religion. Siberian shamanism with dominant Iranian elements. We have complete Iranian myths between our folk tales (the Symurgh myths in the prince Mirkó tales for example)! Our tengrism is a baseless speculations without any evidence!Quote:
and turkic religion too.
How, if their haplogroups originated from the Ural region Ugrics and the Iranics?Quote:
It makes no sense consider them slavs, or iranics or ugrics etc because these haplogroups came from turkics.
Please! We had nothing to do with the Turkic peoples. We have only some loanwords and nothing more. No significant cultural contacts, no significant presence in the Magyar ethnogenesis, nothing. We are Uralic origin peoples with very significant Iranic, significant Slavic admixture with some Germanic influx. Basically this was the Hungarian ethnogenesis.
The whole Turkic tales are bullshit only.