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There is a good academic data set from Kiev (and also from Minsk). Peterski and Lukasz have that data but I've not gotten it from them so far despite my repeated requests. Peterski only showed me their K15 which I don't really like.
Those with a sample size of over 10 would make good Dodecad averages unless they are calculator-affected.
This is my main takeaway from this data:
https://i.imgur.com/xPKU4P7.png
from this PCA I removed the regions which seemed to be outlying because of a low sample number.
Northern(Polesye) and Eastern Ukraine are very homogenous, and probably identical to proto-Slavs.
Southwestern Ukraine is pulled towards a mix of Hungarians and Romanians best represented by the Hungarian-Transylvania average.
It seems this admixture isn't just limited to the border areas, it spreads much deeper into the country than I thought.
Data is missing from the area between Moldova and Dnipropetrovsk.
yes, i noticed that too. that average plots in the center of the Ukrainian cluster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Very nice plot!Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Could you please add me?
I am interested how I compare against Ukrainians because I am quite eastern shifted Pole according to many calculators.
Code:michal3141,26.44,44.92,10.38,5.90,5.19,1.62,1.67,0.00,2.24,1.06,0.39,0.19,0.00
I think those are the old coordinates for Maramures, which had some Ukrainians. They should now be more Southern than the rest of those 3 coordinates for Romania and Moldova.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
If you need the Ukrainians, these are the coords for:
Romania_Ukrainians (Suceava and Maramures)
Romania_Ukrainian,26.55,37.87,13.11,5.62,11.13,1.4 7,1.30,1.39,0.85,0.15,0.43,0.12,0.00
Moldova_Ukrainians (from ethnic Ukrainian villages in the North, Transnistria and some descendants of Soviet migrants)
Moldova_Ukrainian,26.96,42.56,11.24,6.26,7.97,0.53 ,0.82,0.51,1.35,0.67,0.27,0.50,0.37
If you need the Northernmost county average from Romania to replace the Maramures, then you can use Suceava. A lot of people there are mixes with minorities.
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava,25.54,32.09,14.29,8.38,13 .83,1.61,0.74,0.40,1.59,0.75,0.51,0.26,0.02
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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
they have stopped considering themselves Serbs after one generation, 200 years ago, but as you can see on the map on Wikipedia they settled a pretty compact area, so it's possible that in some village genetically Serb people just kept intermarrying even after losing the identity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alenka
My second though is also that it's an Ukrainian with some kind of southern admixture. i'll upload the sample to gedmatch and check whom it matches.
It could be a Romanian/Moldavian too. They also settled in Slavo-Serbia alongside Serbs.
East Slavic quarter Jews would often score like Croats and Moldovans.
here:Quote:
Originally Posted by michal3141
https://i.imgur.com/pdyYnOo.png
yes, you are quite eastern shifted
i'm aware. we'll convince them to share the samples, they would greatly improve these averages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
This was the vahaduo result by keeping only the Ukrainian and Greek regions in source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Seems in accordance with my theory, as most Greeks in Ukraine are of Pontic Greek ancestry.
Distance: 3.7429% / 3.74285116
Target: o_Ukraine_Luhansk:Lugansk_EG600093 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Greek_Istanbul
48.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.6 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk