Actually Dinka and most other Nilotes have elevated levels of Niger-Congo (West-Central African) related ancestry which Horners lack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Komintasavalta
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Actually Dinka and most other Nilotes have elevated levels of Niger-Congo (West-Central African) related ancestry which Horners lack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Komintasavalta
This woman is from South Sudan and she got 86% African (incl. 5% North Africa) and 13% Middle East, although that was back in 2017. You can't get blacker than her in terms of phenotype.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkTbkNFCCx8
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Seems like they're no longer together.
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Originally Posted by Leto
Wow, she's very beautiful (that skin is shining) and yes extremely Negroid looking, that bulbous forehead is only present in real SSA people not in Negritos. ;)
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Originally Posted by Joqool
1) Not all SSA ancestry is the same, with Africans groups being composed three major lineages, the first being Basal Human, the oldest offshoot of Anatomically modern Humans (AMH) and is associated with A00 Y-DNA. Basal Human is the smallest component, being present in mbuti pygmies and West Central Africans at around 7% (Its less in West Africans proper like Yoruba but its there). Basal Human does not seem to be present in Khoe-San from what I know. The second major lineage is Paleo-African is the majority ancestry in Mbuti and Khoi-San, and the second biggest component in West Africans ("Bantus" Basically). Paleo-African y-DNA seems to be associated with y-DNA A. Then lastly is the neo-African lineage and that is the most recent African ancestors of Eurasians around 80-70,000 KYA and Eurasians are technically Neo-Africans that underwent a major defining bottleneck of 1,000 breeding pair individuals that had 2-3% neanderthal intogression in the Levant corridor excluding Basals who never had Neanderthal intogression. Y-DNA A and B, D and E seems to be associated with Neo Africans and is directly ancestral to Eurasian Y-DNA. Proto Niolites, Mota and other Ancestral East Africans (AEA) were mostly or entirely Neo-Africans. West Africans are 50-40% Neo-African (called "Basal West African" in Shum Laka), 13% Taforalt, 7% Basal Human and 40-30% is Paleo-African. Proto Nilotes in the Eastern Sahara were entirely AEA Neo Africans, Mota in the Ethiopian Highlands was 80% Neo Africans AEA and 15% South African HG/San like Paleo-African. In North Africa you had Ancient North Africans (ANA) that was associated with the Atrian Culture, and no longer existed in Pure form from 20,000 KYA onwards, mixing with Duzudzuana and form Tafoalt/Iberomaurusian culture. It was found that pure ANA is between AEA and Basal Eurasian in affinity and in simulated PCA models. When discussing deep source ancestry in the decentants of Neo-Africans, the cline goes like this: AEA-ANA-Basal Eurasians-Crown Eurasians (Crown West Eurasians like Paleo-Euro HG, ANE, WHG and Eastern Non Africans like Intial Upper Paleolithic Oase/Bacho-Kiro/Tianyuan, Onge, AASI, Hoahinhbian, Basal East Asian, Papuans, Australians). So from this information, the "SSA" ancestry in Horners, being mostly Proto-Nilotic, is closer to OoA/ Eurasians from just the sheer fact that they had more recent ancestry with proto Eurasians and they lacked Paleo-African and the more divergent Basal Humans that is both present in West Africans. Though I need to stress that West Africans Biggest component is Neo African and the admixture with Taforalt during mesolithic made West African genetically closer OoA than the Khoi-san and Mbuti (though Mbuti has Bantu-admixure and Khoisan have low level Cushitic ancestry dating to the neolithic).
1) Unlike ENA and Euro-HG and Siberians, there was non Crown Eurasian Deep source ancestry present in PGNE (Post Glacial Near Easterners) such as Pinarbasi (Anatolian Hunter Gatherer. directly Dzudzuana), Caucasus HG, Natufians, Mesolithic Iranians (HotuIIB), Neolithic Iranians (bit less ANE derived than HotuIIB cave sample) and Anatolian Farmers (Basically 86% Pinarbasi and 14% Natufians) with components such as Basal Eurasians being present in all of them and ANA being present at around 14% in Natufians (Natufians were 30% Taforalt, rest Dzudzuana), present in low levels in Anatolians farmers via Natufian proxy, hence why Europeans have E-V13 which was present in Taforalt cave in North africa (West Africans also got their Y-DNA E1b1a from ANA despite being autosomaly mostly Neo-African and Paleo-African, its via 13% Taforalt admix). With the expansion of PGNE across Western Eurasia, all modern Western Eurasians have Basal Eurasian, with the additional ANA layer in MENA (less so for Euros outside the Med), both of which is responsible for diluting Neanderthal ancestry in modern West Eurasians. So a Horner is gonna have stronger affinity with West Asians/MENA/Meds independent of recent "SSA" ancestry via slavery or Pilgramage in MENA because of this deep source ancestry that existed in the Middle East before the Neolithic. This is also the reason why West Eurasians shift closer to SSA than ENA groups, or as Rizab Khan would put it; An African is closer to a Swede than he is an Andaman Islander despite looking phenotypically closer to the latter.
Their "SSA" is different from the Caribbean and they never were slaves or had caste systems imposed on them but had established civilizations that even ruled Arabia under the axumites or Egypt under the Kushitic kings like Piye and Taharqa. Horners like Wadaad/Acended would take offence to that word "Mulato". Horners see themselves by ethnicity not by mixed racial identitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Andullero
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Originally Posted by Joqool
I wonder how much Caucasoid/Negroid this woman is. She is Somali and Ethiopian (Oromo?). Probably over 40%. They have a daughter and she looks significantly more Caucasoid than half SSA mulattoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Maybe they've done Gedmatch, I'll have to go through the comment section.