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11-04-2024, 06:26 PM
cass

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScandinavianCelt

@cass

I think 23andMe is my more accurate data set for most calcs:

Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 2.5426% / 0.02542571 | ADC: 1x RC
33.2 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
27.8 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
23.2 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
15.8 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%

Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 2.0720% / 0.02072005 | ADC: 0.5x RC
34.6 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
26.8 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
15.6 Ukraine_Scythian:MJ14__BC_643__Cov_8.13%
14.0 Ukraine_Srubnaya_MLBA:MJ08__BC_637__Cov_8.31%
9.0 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%

Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 1.9727% / 0.01972737 | ADC: 0.25x RC
21.0 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
20.8 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
16.4 Ukraine_Scythian:MJ14__BC_643__Cov_8.13%
16.4 Ukraine_Srubnaya_MLBA:MJ08__BC_637__Cov_8.31%
10.4 England_EIA:I19862__BC_621__Cov_57.07%
7.6 France_GrandEst_IA:Croi12-2__BC_675__Cov_9.03%
5.6 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
1.0 Moldova_IA:I20071__BC_799__Cov_28.49%
0.8 Pakistan_Aligrama_IA:I6888__BC_797__Cov_59.53%

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Target: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
Distance: 3.5587% / 0.03558656 | ADC: 2x RC
54.2 HUN_BA
45.8 Unetice

It was a very interesting population, one that was completely extinct.

Distance to: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
0.03130665 Slovak
0.03208854 German_West_Prussia
0.03225035 Hungarian
0.03269300 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
0.03320831 German_Lower_Silesia
0.03347809 German_Thuringia
0.03353592 PL_50°15′N_19°01′E_Silesian
0.03353592 PL_50°15′N_19°01′E_Silesian_simulated
0.03419207 Czech
0.03436039 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03502094 cass
0.03507522 German_Saxony_Erzgebirgskreis
0.03510976 German_Brandenburg
0.03513104 German_North_Bohemia
0.03521472 Ukrainian_Cherkasy
0.03530035 German_East
0.03535955 German_Pomerania
0.03601792 Moldovan_o1
0.03606106 Polisholish_East
0.03628701 German_Saxony-Anhalt
0.03651584 German_Schleswig-Holstein_o
0.03686248 PolishL_Kuyavia1
0.03686248 PL_52°37′N_18°10′E_Kuyavia
0.03705678 PolishL_Kociewie1_scaled
0.03705678 PL_53°48′N_18°17′E_Kociewie

Target: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
Distance: 1.2464% / 0.01246354 | ADC: 0.5x RC
25.8 Flemish_Nord
24.8 PL_52°37′N_18°10′E_Kuyavia
20.2 Cossack_Kuban
16.6 Slovak
10.2 Tatar_Crimean_Steppe
2.4 French_Occitan_Provence-Alpes-Cote_d'Azur_o
11-04-2024, 07:15 PM
ScandinavianCelt

Quote:

Originally Posted by cass

It was a very interesting population, one that was completely extinct.

Distance to: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
0.03130665 Slovak
0.03208854 German_West_Prussia
0.03225035 Hungarian
0.03269300 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
0.03320831 German_Lower_Silesia
0.03347809 German_Thuringia
0.03353592 PL_50°15′N_19°01′E_Silesian
0.03353592 PL_50°15′N_19°01′E_Silesian_simulated
0.03419207 Czech
0.03436039 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03502094 cass
0.03507522 German_Saxony_Erzgebirgskreis
0.03510976 German_Brandenburg
0.03513104 German_North_Bohemia
0.03521472 Ukrainian_Cherkasy
0.03530035 German_East
0.03535955 German_Pomerania
0.03601792 Moldovan_o1
0.03606106 Polisholish_East
0.03628701 German_Saxony-Anhalt
0.03651584 German_Schleswig-Holstein_o
0.03686248 PolishL_Kuyavia1
0.03686248 PL_52°37′N_18°10′E_Kuyavia
0.03705678 PolishL_Kociewie1_scaled
0.03705678 PL_53°48′N_18°17′E_Kociewie

Target: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
Distance: 1.2464% / 0.01246354 | ADC: 0.5x RC
25.8 Flemish_Nord
24.8 PL_52°37′N_18°10′E_Kuyavia
20.2 Cossack_Kuban
16.6 Slovak
10.2 Tatar_Crimean_Steppe
2.4 French_Occitan_Provence-Alpes-Cote_d'Azur_o

Distance to: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
0.04535291 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 3__BC_650__Cov_32.42%
0.04604804 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
0.05220642 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
0.05304255 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 2__BC_660__Cov_16.42%
0.05528060 Ukraine_Scythian.SG:scy010_noUDG.SG__BC_656__Cov_2 7.35%
0.05797355 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 4__BC_650__Cov_36.39%
0.05903037 Ukraine_Scythian.SG:scy009_noUDG.SG__BC_618__Cov_6 9.53%
0.06043870 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_EIA:UKR113__BC _600__Cov_52.93%
0.06301517 Ukraine_Poltava_Scythian_LeftDnipro_LocEl_EIA:UKR0 87__BC_625__Cov_34.38%
0.07214130 Ukraine_Scythian:MJ14__BC_643__Cov_8.13%
0.07349171 Hungary_IA_Scythian_oAegean.SG:DA195_noUDG.SG__BC_ 622__Cov_47.30%
0.07372985 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA:UKR116 __BC_645__Cov_46.54%
0.10586143 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_2_EIA:UKR 036__BC_600__Cov_54.88%
0.11705898 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_EIA:UKR105__BC _675__Cov_48.35%
0.23149681 Russia_EasternScythian_SouthernUrals.SG:MJ-42_noUDG.SG__BC_654__Cov_28.59%

With just the above samples I get this:

Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 4.2318% / 0.04231787 | ADC: 2x RC
52.6 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 3__BC_650__Cov_32.42%
47.4 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%

Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 3.3420% / 0.03341974
38.4 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 2__BC_660__Cov_16.42%
37.8 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_EIA:UKR113__BC _600__Cov_52.93%
12.8 Ukraine_Scythian.SG:scy009_noUDG.SG__BC_618__Cov_6 9.53%
11.0 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 3__BC_650__Cov_32.42%

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Kyiv is not there at 1x, but Kharkiv is, with both data sets, but 2x is all England_EIA:

Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 2.5426% / 0.02542571 | ADC: 1x RC
33.2 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
27.8 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
23.2 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
15.8 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%

Target: SC_Official_Ancestry#2_Scaled
Distance: 1.7326% / 0.01732645 | ADC: 1x RC
42.8 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
36.2 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
21.0 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
11-04-2024, 07:21 PM
Ritz06

Target:
Distance: 1.6325% / 0.01632457 | ADC: 0.5x RC
25.8 Armenia_LBA_EIA
24.6 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_2_EIA
20.0 Croatia_EIA
15.2 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_EIA
14.4 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_Etruscan
11-04-2024, 07:45 PM
ScandinavianCelt

@cass

https://i.postimg.cc/pVhKt4GR/SCYTHI...2-CHR-BRAD.jpg
11-04-2024, 07:53 PM
cass

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScandinavianCelt

@cass

https://i.postimg.cc/pVhKt4GR/SCYTHI...2-CHR-BRAD.jpg

:thumb001:
And what kind of tool is it?
11-04-2024, 08:32 PM
ScandinavianCelt

Quote:

Originally Posted by cass

:thumb001:
And what kind of tool is it?

I just copied the multi results for the 22 chromosomes using the tsv version into an Excel spreadsheet and then highlighted the portion to transpose the chromosomes horizontally and then the results the opposite from horizontal to vertical and then you highlight all of that and create a chart so it says insert tab then chart and then you can pick the kind of chart you want and you can mess with it I've been making these things for years with different results and I find it much more appealing visually to understand various groups like I've shown you before a Slavic result based on one of the calculators that I made I can't even remember which one

My question for you is is it possible that these people went to Finland or did the Eastern genetics from the Yamnaya only correlate to other time. I wanted to post something I wanted to make a thread to see people's distances to a few different things sometimes it's just distances that could reveal proximity compared to the West for example the more Western a person is I think they'll have a further distance from Eurasian milk drinkers I don't think people in Spain have a very close Eurasian but the people with the furthest seem to be the people from Sardinia one of the guys I think for anything related to Eurasian Steppe
11-04-2024, 08:47 PM
cass

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScandinavianCelt

I just copied the multi results for the 22 chromosomes using the tsv version into an Excel spreadsheet and then highlighted the portion to transpose the chromosomes horizontally and then the results the opposite from horizontal to vertical and then you highlight all of that and create a chart so it says insert tab then chart and then you can pick the kind of chart you want and you can mess with it I've been making these things for years with different results and I find it much more appealing visually to understand various groups like I've shown you before a Slavic result based on one of the calculators that I made I can't even remember which one

My question for you is is it possible that these people went to Finland or did the Eastern genetics from the Yamnaya only correlate to other time. I wanted to post something I wanted to make a thread to see people's distances to a few different things sometimes it's just distances that could reveal proximity compared to the West for example the more Western a person is I think they'll have a further distance from Eurasian milk drinkers I don't think people in Spain have a very close Eurasian but the people with the furthest seem to be the people from Sardinia one of the guys I think for anything related to Eurasian Steppe

:thumb001:

I've never heard of them traveling this far. There may be two explanations. Either the Proto-Germanics did not live in Scandinavia at that time, but on the continent and could have come into contact with the Scythians, or this similarity was only illusory due to the lack of samples from the area of Northern Germany proper.
11-04-2024, 09:12 PM
cass

@ ScandinavianCelt

After thinking and checking again, I have another idea. There were no Proper Finns in Finland at that time. They met a faction of Scythians somewhere further sout-east.

https://i.ibb.co/k6Ts2fZ/Zrzut-ekran...-github-io.jpg

Note the differences between the Finnish groups and the Sami and Karelian groups.

This is just a hypothesis. Until we have some 100% samples from the Scandinavian area.

I'm not a specialist in the history of Finalnd, so I checked and added the following.

Quote:

The Sami are the descendants of nomadic peoples who had inhabited northern Scandinavia for thousands of years. When the Finns entered Finland, beginning about ad 100, Sami settlements were probably dispersed over the whole of that country; today they are confined to its northern extremity. In Sweden and Norway they have similarly been pushed north. The origin of the Sami is obscure; some scholars include them among the Paleo-Siberian peoples; others maintain that they were alpine and came from central Europe.

source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sami
11-04-2024, 10:55 PM
ScandinavianCelt

Quote:

Originally Posted by cass

@ ScandinavianCelt

After thinking and checking again, I have another idea. There were no Proper Finns in Finland at that time. They met a faction of Scythians somewhere further sout-east.

https://i.ibb.co/k6Ts2fZ/Zrzut-ekran...-github-io.jpg

Note the differences between the Finnish groups and the Sami and Karelian groups.

This is just a hypothesis. Until we have some 100% samples from the Scandinavian area.

I'm not a specialist in the history of Finalnd, so I checked and added the following.

source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sami

If you can check your full chromosomes on the mdlp ancient k 18 World test you can do the nMonte 0x ADC and that's a good test to see how much Saami you might have
11-04-2024, 10:56 PM
ScandinavianCelt

Quote:

Originally Posted by cass

@ ScandinavianCelt

After thinking and checking again, I have another idea. There were no Proper Finns in Finland at that time. They met a faction of Scythians somewhere further sout-east.

https://i.ibb.co/k6Ts2fZ/Zrzut-ekran...-github-io.jpg

Note the differences between the Finnish groups and the Sami and Karelian groups.

This is just a hypothesis. Until we have some 100% samples from the Scandinavian area.

I'm not a specialist in the history of Finalnd, so I checked and added the following.

source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sami

My chromosome number 21 always seems to show up on ancient tests as Syrian and then half of chromosome 9 and then I saw other pieces here and there in the past but this specific time period seems to show a lot thanks for making it it's a good test

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