Poles from Volhynia DNA results

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Originally Posted by Peterski

From Kuyavia, that's very interesting! Because they also have a very close distance to Kujawsko-Pomorskie but I did not post this distance because I thought that my Kujawsko-Pomorskie average is too eastern (I have two different averages for Kujawsko-Pomorskie with samples coming from two different sources, one is more eastern-shifted than the other):

Polish_Volhynia

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Europe_PL_Kujawsko-Pomorskie:N15
0.3152729
(...)

^^^
This one is made from 15 samples.

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There was one forum participant here who directly traced his descent from them

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Originally Posted by cass

There was one forum participant here who directly traced his descent from them

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Who? On this forum (Apricity)?

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Who? On this forum (Apricity)?

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I think so; afair his genome was similar to that of the Slovaks

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Originally Posted by cass

I think so; afair his genome was similar to that of the Slovaks

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Ah yes I remember Abriekman. But I think his ancestry is from East Galicia not Volhynia?

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Originally Posted by Peterski

From Kuyavia, that's very interesting! Because they also have a very close distance to Kujawsko-Pomorskie but I did not post this distance because I thought that my Kujawsko-Pomorskie average is too eastern (I have two different averages for Kujawsko-Pomorskie with samples coming from two different sources, one is more eastern-shifted than the other):

Polish_Volhynia

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Europe_PL_Kujawsko-Pomorskie:N15
0.3152729
(...)

^^^
This one is made from 15 samples.



Okay but this is about Podolia not Volhynia.

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...84skie_map.svg

In my opinion, in the nomenclature of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth it would be Volhynia

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Originally Posted by cass

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...84skie_map.svg

In my opinion, in the nomenclature of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth it would be Volhynia

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Indeed Volhynian Voivodeship of the PLC extended a bit beyond the pre-1939 eastern border of Poland:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/ed...Do&usp=sharing

https://i.imgur.com/n5ImCW2.png

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Originally Posted by cass

According to historian Ihor Zapadenko, the contemporary Mazurs inhabiting this region trace their origin to Mazovia in Poland. Their settlement in Podolia commenced following the conclusion of the Ottoman invasion in 1699, which had devastated the area. It was during the 17-18th century that Mazurs began to arrive in Ploskyriv and the surrounding villages.

Of particular interest is the entry in the Geographical Dictionary of the Kingdom of Poland and Other Slavic Countries (1887), which records the following regarding the Mazurs residing in the Ploskyriv starosty:

“The inhabitants of Maćkowce, Szarowieczka, and Greczany, as they themselves attest, departed from Kuyavia and settled here in the closing years of the preceding century. The Mazurs remain entirely separated from other local groups, maintaining close internal cohesion. They have preserved their original customs, attire, and even their dialect. In certain villages, one may also encounter Mazurs who settled together with the indigenous population.”

This designation became so firmly established in Ukraine that, in addition to the ethnonym Lachy, the appellation Mazury is also employed.

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It's long before 1699.

Facta Simonidis, 2008 nr 1. in the article by Władysław Makarski, Zamość i Zamojszczyzna na mapie językowej i kulturowej Polski,
page 319

Lachy / Lech originates in the Russian language and was applied to the people moved (wysiedlenie) further east in the 12th century A.D.

Volhynia extended far beyond the 1939 border arguably to Żytomierz. (at least to Berdyczów)

Tens of thousands were trapped there under the Bolshevik government.

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Originally Posted by cass

According to historian Ihor Zapadenko, the contemporary Mazurs inhabiting this region trace their origin to Mazovia in Poland. Their settlement in Podolia commenced following the conclusion of the Ottoman invasion in 1699, which had devastated the area. It was during the 17-18th century that Mazurs began to arrive in Ploskyriv and the surrounding villages.

Of particular interest is the entry in the Geographical Dictionary of the Kingdom of Poland and Other Slavic Countries (1887), which records the following regarding the Mazurs residing in the Ploskyriv starosty:

“The inhabitants of Maćkowce, Szarowieczka, and Greczany, as they themselves attest, departed from Kuyavia and settled here in the closing years of the preceding century. The Mazurs remain entirely separated from other local groups, maintaining close internal cohesion. They have preserved their original customs, attire, and even their dialect. In certain villages, one may also encounter Mazurs who settled together with the indigenous population.”

This designation became so firmly established in Ukraine that, in addition to the ethnonym Lachy, the appellation Mazury is also employed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGgImzX6Gb8&t

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Great contribution.

Can you say in a rough overview how Kresy Poles' dialects are connected to other Polish dialects?

In respect to the medieval German Ostsiedlung in addition to anecdotal historical records an analysis of the formed dialects is often used for an assessment what tribal/regional proportions of various Old German settlers contributed to the settlement.

In the context of the Ostsiedlung the so called New German tribes (deutsche Neustämme) such as Mecklenburgians, Brandenburgians, German Pomeranians (Pommern) and German Silesians (Schlesier) soon emerged by a fusion of Old German settlers and local Slavs. Are respective events known for Kresy Poles?

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Originally Posted by rothaer

Can you say in a rough overview how Kresy Poles' dialects are connected to other Polish dialects?

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Based on this website Volhynia is part of South Kresy dialect, so not derived from Masovian but from Lesser Polish:

https://lingwistyka.fandom.com/pl/wi...zyka_polskiego

"North Kresy dialect - a Polish dialect which exists in Lithuania and Belarus, it emerged from Masovian dialect, it has influences from Belarusian language and few influences from Lithuanian language.

South Kresy dialect - a Polish dialect which exists in Ukraine, it emerged from Lesser Polish dialect, it is characterized by influences from Ukrainian language."

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Originally Posted by rothaer

In the context of the Ostsiedlung the so called New German tribes (deutsche Neustämme) such as Mecklenburgians, Brandenburgians, German Pomeranians (Pommern) and German Silesians (Schlesier) soon emerged by a fusion of Old German settlers and local Slavs

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Such exaggeration.
There are always marginal mixing but even until 1945 the Polish, Rusini, and Germans didn't even wear the same clothes.
You could see from a short distance who was working in the field.