Who are Turks closest to?

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Originally Posted by Rumata

Turkey could have a lot of Circassian genetics but no one knows how big it could be since everyone is counted as a Turk there.

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I would say Circassian genetics in Turks should be negligible. Circassians have very strict rules (Xabze) and this forces them to seek other Circassians for marriage. Indeed, most of my Circassian friends are looking for Circassians spouses and i know very few mixed Circassian/other people relative to their population size. (Around 2m)

In general, there are a few cultural groups here and members of these groups tend to marry inside. These are basically western people (Western Turks, Balkanites), Circassians, eastern Black sea, eastern Anatolia, Kurds. Circassians are the strictest of all.

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Originally Posted by Hektor12

I would say Circassian genetics in Turks should be negligible. Circassians have very strict rules (Xabze) and this forces them to seek other Circassians for marriage. Indeed, most of my Circassian friends are looking for Circassians spouses and i know very few mixed Circassian/other people relative to their population size. (Around 2m)

In general, there are a few cultural groups here and members of these groups tend to marry inside. These are basically western people (Western Turks, Balkanites), Circassians, eastern Black sea, eastern Anatolia, Kurds. Circassians are the strictest of all.

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I never knew it. It would help them to keep their Circassian identity which as I've heard from diaspora Circassians was hard to keep there. Concerning Habze, I'm surprised they have it strong too, because islam contradicts Habze. Afaik, it's hardly possible to follow both Habze and islam even somewhat strictly.

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Originally Posted by placebo

There are many Circassians but not as many as people exaggrate. There are more Albanians and Georgians in Turkey than Circassians. Also probably more Bosnians than Circassians as well. However these test results don't include non-Turks.

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IIRC, it's considered that several hundreds of thousands of Circassians moved to Ottoman empire in and shortly after 1864. But it's probably extremely hard to track their fates

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Originally Posted by Rumata

I never knew it. It would help them to keep their Circassian identity which as I've heard from diaspora Circassians was hard to keep there. Concerning Habze, I'm surprised they have it strong too, because islam contradicts Habze. Afaik, it's hardly possible to follow both Habze and islam even somewhat strictly.

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I dont know under which form they keep it but i lived in Circassian-rich places and i know that they have some strict internal tradition and a strong Circassian identity. For example, at high school i used to date a Circassian girl and shes now married to a Circassian bro who also is my friend.

They have a lot of regional assemblies, federations etc here. For example this= https://cerkesfed.tr

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Originally Posted by placebo

There are many Circassians but not as many as people exaggrate. There are more Albanians and Georgians in Turkey than Circassians. Also probably more Bosnians than Circassians as well. However these test results don't include non-Turks.

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Ethnic groups of Turkey according to 4 different sources:

https://i.postimg.cc/x0WxqzR2/Turkey-Ethnic-Data.png

https://i.postimg.cc/x0WxqzR2/Turkey-Ethnic-Data.png