You've been lied to about Globular Amphora Culture

My predicted phenotype with yseq pheno predictor:
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Vs my Trait Predictor:
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Vs my actual phenotype:
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My result with hirisplex:
PBlueEye 0.9110910019
PIntermediateEye 0.05659703369
PBrownEye 0.03231196441
PBlondHair 0.5651961134
PBrownHair 0.325021255
PRedHair 0.05878985349
PBlackHair 0.05099277807
AUC_Loss_HairShade 0.006540924711
PVeryPaleSkin 0.02444099902
PPaleSkin 0.4459833968
PIntermediateSkin 0.5221414264
PDarkSkin 0.006253594033
PDarktoBlackSkin 0.001180583755

Vs my trait predictor noshacot result:
Eye color likelihood distribution based on whole genome data:
Blue eyes : 26.403%

Blue eyes with Amber Center Ring : 55.121%

Green eyes : 13.560%

Hazel Eyes : 4.812%

Brown Eyes : 0.105%

Darkest Brown Eyes : 0.000%

Hair color likelihood distribution based on whole genome data:

Red hair : 0.538%

Light Blond hair : 4.724%

Dark Blond hair : 27.083%

Light Brown hair : 54.808%

Dark Brown hair : 12.633%

Black hair : 0.215%

Skin color likelihood distribution based on whole genome data:
Palest Skin : 13.478%

White Skin : 70.942%

Olive or Mediterranean Skin : 15.576%

Light Brown Skin : 0.003%

Dark Brown Skin : 0.000%

My eye color, in case you cant see it in the face shot:
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Since we’re talking about phenotypes, can you explain why my closest pheno match was some type of Caucasus/Armenoid? I’m genuinely curious about how the tool arrived at that result.

I can’t post my full face for privacy reasons, but here’s my eye and hair color.

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Originally Posted by Vessna

Since we’re talking about phenotypes, can you explain why my closest pheno match was some type of Caucasus/Armenoid? I’m genuinely curious about how the tool arrived at that result.

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the way my phenotype predictor works, mtedid (your #1 pheno) is nowhere near armenoid. It is a intermediate pigmentation caucasoid type with long nose, much more similar to carpatid than armenoid.
You scored hazel eyes (that aligns with mtebid), dark brown hair (once again aligns with mtebid, olive skin(once again aligns with mtebid, not with armenoid though), wavy hair (aligns with mtebid), and a strongly greek nose shape (once again aligns with mtebid).
My phenotype predictor uses the qualities listed above ^ together with morphology-related genotypes to predict phenotype.
For morphology calculator, you scored 5.5% NE Europe, 60.2% Mideast/West Asia, 6.63% West Europe, and 27% South Asia.
When you combine the results of these two calculators you get a light west asian pheno, such as Mtebid, which is what you scored.
You keep saying "Armenoid" though... When your result is in fact very very far from it.

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Originally Posted by AndreiDNA

the way my phenotype predictor works, mtedid (your #1 pheno) is nowhere near armenoid. It is a intermediate pigmentation caucasoid type with long nose, much more similar to carpatid than armenoid.
You scored hazel eyes (that aligns with mtebid), dark brown hair (once again aligns with mtebid, olive skin(once again aligns with mtebid, not with armenoid though), wavy hair (aligns with mtebid), and a strongly greek nose shape (once again aligns with mtebid).
My phenotype predictor uses the qualities listed above ^ together with morphology-related genotypes to predict phenotype.
For morphology calculator, you scored 5.5% NE Europe, 60.2% Mideast/West Asia, 6.63% West Europe, and 27% South Asia.
When you combine the results of these two calculators you get a light west asian pheno, such as Mtebid, which is what you scored.
You keep saying "Armenoid" though... When your result is in fact very very far from it.

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That’s part of why I’m skeptical of the tool. It seems to be assigning traits that don’t actually match me. I don’t have dark brown hair, my eyes are green-hazel rather than hazel, and my nose is not “strongly Greek”, it’s not Greek at all.

The morphology calculator result is even harder to reconcile with my actual ancestry. I am almost entirely northeaster European, not 60% Middle East/West Asia and 27% South Asia.

If the calculator is producing results that contradict both my observed traits and my DNA results, why should I assume the phenotype prediction is accurate rather than the model simply being off?

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Originally Posted by Vessna

That’s part of why I’m skeptical of the tool. It seems to be assigning traits that don’t actually match me. I don’t have dark brown hair, my eyes are green-hazel rather than hazel, and my nose is not “strongly Greek”, it’s not Greek at all.

The morphology calculator result is even harder to reconcile with my actual ancestry. I am almost entirely northeaster European, not 60% Middle East/West Asia and 27% South Asia.

If the calculator is producing results that contradict both my observed traits and my DNA results, why should I assume the phenotype prediction is accurate rather than the model simply being off?

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Statistically, a big portion of europeans will score the way you do on the morphology calculator, simply because allele frequency wise, middle easterners and south asians are similar to europeans (in the global aspect, compared to say sub saharans or east asians).
"I don’t have dark brown hair, my eyes are green-hazel rather than hazel, and my nose is not “strongly Greek”, it’s not Greek at all"
Hair color was off, but not by much compared to hirisplex.
Your eye color was actually spot on.
Blue eyes : 0.233%
Blue eyes with Amber Center Ring : 22.125%
Green eyes : 12.620%
Hazel Eyes : 48.973%
Brown Eyes : 15.805%
Darkest Brown Eyes : 0.244%
^this exactly aligns with green-hazel eyes.
Regarding the nose shape, you might be misinterpreting your nose shape or it might be a case of the tool getting your trait wrong. It got the nose shapes in my family 100% right. Including the people I know irl whose genomes I have.
You can assume anything and it doesn't much bother me. I see you've already assumed all you could and even lied openly about your results, claiming to have received an "Armenoid" result when in fact your predicted phenotype (top 2 way model morph) looks like this:
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Originally Posted by AndreiDNA

Statistically, a big portion of europeans will score the way you do on the morphology calculator, simply because allele frequency wise, middle easterners and south asians are similar to europeans (in the global aspect, compared to say sub saharans or east asians).
"I don’t have dark brown hair, my eyes are green-hazel rather than hazel, and my nose is not “strongly Greek”, it’s not Greek at all"
Hair color was off, but not by much compared to hirisplex.
Your eye color was actually spot on.
Blue eyes : 0.233%
Blue eyes with Amber Center Ring : 22.125%
Green eyes : 12.620%
Hazel Eyes : 48.973%
Brown Eyes : 15.805%
Darkest Brown Eyes : 0.244%
^this exactly aligns with green-hazel eyes.
Regarding the nose shape, you might be misinterpreting your nose shape or it might be a case of the tool getting your trait wrong. It got the nose shapes in my family 100% right. Including the people I know irl whose genomes I have.
You can assume anything and it doesn't much bother me. I see you've already assumed all you could and even lied openly about your results, claiming to have received an "Armenoid" result when in fact your predicted phenotype (top 2 way model morph) looks like this:
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I never looked at your tool until this thread. It is way off for Vessna so I wouldn't trust it at all. Vessna is one of the fairest women on the forum, along with Kestrel and nittionia.

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Originally Posted by ~Elizabeth~

I never looked at your tool until this thread. It is way off for Vessna so I wouldn't trust it at all. Vessna is one of the fairest women on the forum, along with Kestrel.

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well its good for most people who have used it. I wouldn't have sold the executable over 300 times (before eventually stopping sales) if it wasn't good.

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Originally Posted by AndreiDNA

Statistically, a big portion of europeans will score the way you do on the morphology calculator, simply because allele frequency wise, middle easterners and south asians are similar to europeans (in the global aspect, compared to say sub saharans or east asians).
"I don’t have dark brown hair, my eyes are green-hazel rather than hazel, and my nose is not “strongly Greek”, it’s not Greek at all"
Hair color was off, but not by much compared to hirisplex.
Your eye color was actually spot on.
Blue eyes : 0.233%
Blue eyes with Amber Center Ring : 22.125%
Green eyes : 12.620%
Hazel Eyes : 48.973%
Brown Eyes : 15.805%
Darkest Brown Eyes : 0.244%
^this exactly aligns with green-hazel eyes.
Regarding the nose shape, you might be misinterpreting your nose shape or it might be a case of the tool getting your trait wrong. It got the nose shapes in my family 100% right. Including the people I know irl whose genomes I have.
You can assume anything and it doesn't much bother me. I see you've already assumed all you could and even lied openly about your results, claiming to have received an "Armenoid" result when in fact your predicted phenotype (top 2 way model morph) looks like this:
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Attachment 148661

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I didn’t lie about anything. I described the result as I understood it from the categories and explanations provided by the tool.

I’m happy to admit that the eye-color prediction was fairly close. My issue has never been that every single prediction was wrong. My issue is that several of the key traits don’t match me, including the hair color, skin tone, and the nose description.

Saying that I might be misinterpreting my own nose isn’t really evidence that the prediction is correct. At that point we’re just assuming the calculator must be right and my observation must be wrong.

As for the morphology calculator, I understand that allele frequencies can overlap between populations. My point is simply that the output doesn’t appear to reflect either my known ancestry or my actual appearance particularly well, which is why I’m skeptical of its accuracy in my case.

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Originally Posted by AndreiDNA

well its good for most people who have used it. I wouldn't have sold the executable over 300 times (before eventually stopping sales) if it wasn't good.

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I think people can be obsessive about DNA and are desperate or curious to try every tool they can find. I tested with 23andMe twice, DNATribes countless times (always buying the updates), MyHeritage, AncestryDNA, FTDNA, exploreyourdna, Illustrative DNA, another one I forgot the name of, and GEDmatch (all the calculators).