Aryan R1a = Turkic ?

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Originally Posted by Kipchak_Håkan

@ both, then how do you explain that Kyrgyz and Bashkirs preserved the most original "Ar1an" base haplotypes?

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Kyrgyz have not preserved the most base r1a. Their r1a is not very diverse, unlike those in Poland, Belarussia, Russia, Volga and most of ancient Central Asia. Bashkirs are from Volga area as well. How high is their R1a?

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Originally Posted by Formozgan

Kyrgyz have not preserved the most base r1a.

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The Kyrgyz R1a by Y-DNA SNP (subclade: L342.2) has a common ancestor of 2100 ± 250 ybp. The Bashkirs have about 11-48% R1a. The Bashkir R1a by Y-DNA SNP (together with Ashkenazi Khazarian) has a common ancestor of 1125 ± 200 ybp. All the Bashkir Z2123+ likely have a very recent common ancestor (~500ybp).

http://bialczynski.files.wordpress.c...xr1a.jpg?w=720

And as I mentioned before, Anatole Klyosov's genetic research has shown that the R1a basehaplotype 13 25 15 10 12 12 10 13 11 31 -- 15 14 20 12 16 11 23 (with a common ancestor of 3400 ± 505 ybp, the likely times for the Aryans coming to India) is reasonably close to the Bashkir Turkic and Kyrgyz Turkic base haplotypes (both R1a-L342.2).

Ar1an base haplotype: 13 25 15 10 12 12 10 13 11 31 -- 15 14 20 12 16 11 23
Kyrgyz base haplotype: 13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 .. -- 14 11 32

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Originally Posted by Duke

turks are result of it, most logical is they started to differ from both mongoloids, and caucasioids, and at one point formed as Turks.

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Natural Mongoloid-Caucasoid forms even existed before mixing. See for example south Siberian Mesolithic Caucasoid Mongoloids, the basic anthropological type of Afanasievo, Andronovo, Karasuk, Irmen, Khvalynsk/Poltavkin, Okunev, Krotov cultures.

The headline is incorrect. R1a is Turkic. The term "Aryan" has no business there.

This is actually pretty feasible if we're talking R1a. There has to be a reason eastern Europeans look so different and look so "eastern" compared with Western Europeans despite both parts having the exact same climate(if it wasn't for the Mongolian/Cuman/Hun invasions eastern Europeans so vehemently deny) . As for R1b people, the first ones probably looked like MENA people.

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Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

This is actually pretty feasible if we're talking R1a. There has to be a reason eastern Europeans look so different and look so "eastern" compared with Western Europeans despite both parts having the exact same climate(if it wasn't for the Mongolian/Cuman/Hun invasions eastern Europeans so vehemently deny) . As for R1b people, the first ones probably looked like MENA people.

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R could be a proto-Mongoloid haplogroup.

P is Central Asian, father of R.
Q is Amerindian & North Asian, brother of R.

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Originally Posted by Willem

R could be a proto-Mongoloid haplogroup.

P is Central Asian, father of R.
Q is Amerindian & North Asian, brother of R.

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Why don't R1b people have Mongoloid traits then? Too much mixing with haplogroup E(I don't say I because R1a also mixed with them)? Well, mtDNA haplogroups associated with y haplogroup E, I should say.

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Originally Posted by davai

thats actually humorous quoting this author, however the oldest Slavic R1a is of Serbian origin and the best match to that indian R1a is actually Russian, which confirms proto-Slavic Aryan migration.

http://www.jogg.info/52/files/Klyosov2.pdf

http://shrani.si/f/1c/Ag/1lL1ZwUN/nodruks.png

there is no disgusting čurka mongrols.

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And Native North Americans have common ancestors with R1 Slaviacs, Romaniacs, Germaniacs, Turkiacs, Iraniacs, Celtiacs. Lol. Sorry, but Slavic (Z282) is out of buisness (Z93) here:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-t...rhill_Z282.png
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...erhill_Z93.png

The nice and useful info you have shown us differs hardcore from what you wanted to claim. epic fail as always xD

btw, do you still believe Nordic Scytho-Slaviacs migrated from Andronovo? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by davai

you are a disfigured cocktail bastardized gypsy whose mother was raped in groups of lined up slit-eyes mongoloids.

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Says the Finno-Ugric Tschurka Turk xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0nmRAeWtiY

Hail Slavo-IraAr1an heritage! xD

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Originally Posted by davai

I only see Turkey all white, no blue no green.

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Then you have the typical Soviet Turk-problem syndrome. Buy some grass and get over it ;-)