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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
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Mongoloid....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
Could be accurate. Guys that old are likely to look very archaic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
Read the literature on the guy. He was extremely big guy. Bigger than any other dude in that time frame. He had a lot of neanderthal ancestry and also anthropology WISE was found to have a lot of neanderthal-like features.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Yh, the guys who made this reconstruction were the guys who made the Otzi reconstruction. He looks a bit like the Khoisan mixed with Neanderthal featuresQuote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
He probably had around 11% Neanderthal admixture suggesting that he had a close Neanderthal ancestor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
You do know that Saamis are something like 40-50% y-dna I, which is much higher I than most Finnish groups. So according to your theory Saamis are more European looking than Finns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
I hope R1a and other Slavic y-haplogroups were originally mongoloid.
Mongoloid people are cool, smart and strong.
Neanderthal diet was very high in protein which of course is not surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...oday_TrendMD_1
P-M45, also known as P1, or P1*, or K2 is a Central Asian marker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDI7j1eftqk
It directly came via south-east Asia from the sunken continent Mu, the ancient Uyghur Civilization.
Actually the oldest R1b is M73, which is a central asian marker, primarily Turkic. M343 is even older and is only found among Eurasians as well, M343* is even found only among Uyghurs and Kurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
You'll have to excuse the Slavs. They think they have the answer to everything. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
ATTENTION PLEASE: FINGOLIA ALARM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKrrJLWCAx0
I invite you for dinner sweetheart :love0033:Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnolia
Oase was just K and lived cca. 37800 ybp, while NO was formed cca. 41500 ybp, so no, nothing descends from him. Also, you cleverly omitted Ust-Ishim man, which was K2a, much older than Oase 1 (45000 ybp), and he lived in Siberia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
So no- N is not native to Europe by any means, as all ancient DNA suggests (no Finnic N1c whatsoever in Mesolithic northern Europe, plus, its ancestral clades today live in Siberia).
They have no resemblance whatsoever, niggerish nose means nothing compared to overall morphology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
According to this http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/palaeolithicdna.shtml, the Oase male was K2a. Still though I do agree with the eastern origin of N1cQuote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
No. Finns are more European then Samiis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
Becouse Finnish DNA is influenced different from Samii.
Look it:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/europ...logroups.shtml
you have 61% N (who originate in Asia, deal with it), but western Finland is more influenced with I (Or R1a or R1b who already mutated into a European group), so this N is not very visible.
I am sorry if you are N by haplogroup, but this haplogroup is not a factor of your European looking. That is I. That is your grandfather !
You don't think it really :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnolia
Anyways i hope that i am I2 Balkanite then R ancient Mongoloid.
Here is the list of Slavic Y-haplogroups (various branches of R1a and I2a):Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnolia
http://www.historycy.org/index.php?s...post&p=1685377
Michał estimates, that in year 1 AD Proto-Slavs numbered just 6000 men!:
http://www.historycy.org/index.php?s...post&p=1683001
Can you imagine? From 6000 to hundreds of millions during just 2000 years!
one of this two was Slavicised, but if Russians and Poles want be "Slavic as fuck" then I2a1 can be Celtic (like Bosnensis claim) or Persian (another one theory from all those "porjeklo Hrvata, Srbina etc.)
Srba* xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
Most of them are RQuote:
Originally Posted by Peterski
I2 can be slavicized only.
But my opinion is that I2 was Illyrian also. why not?
I2a1b was the most common haplogroup of northern hunter-gatherers, while not a single one was found in ancient samples of southeastern Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
It is pretty clear that it is the native population of the regions that possibly firstly got assimilated into Germanics, and then into Slavics. No chance whatsoever of them being "Illyrian".
I2-CTS10228 was not slavized, I2-CTS10228 was together with R1a-M458 and R1a-Z280 participated in creation of proto-Slavs in central or eastern Europe around 2000 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
I2a1 were the rulers over R1a Baltic folk, they bring them letters, bible etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aenar
That's based on modern diversity and frequencies which can be misleading and inaccurate, we need ancient dna to confirm that K2/P expanded from South East Asia. So far, Ust'-Ishim from Western Siberia and Oase from Romania were both K2a.Quote:
Originally Posted by Messier 67
Btw, Mal'ta boy belonged to R*, not R1*.
hvala lijepoQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Either way, I2a1 and R1a were mixed in central or eastern Europe in ancient period, and not in the Balkans after VII century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
Slavic invaders which came to the Balkans in VII century were I2a1 & R1a, only uneducated people or trolls can say that Slavic invaders were only R1a and that I2a1 was in the Balkans before Slavic invasion.
You fucking monkey, no matter how many times you repeat this lie, it does not make it true. Oase was NO. Fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
The fact is that I1 in Finns is due to very recent bottleneck effect. If there is any y-dna which explains why I am different to rest of Europeans it is N1c1. Remember, you are genetically more similar to people like Mari and Komi than you are to me. This is because Finns lack the Indo-European admixture which is somewhat present in the Volga Finno-Ugrians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
I am more similar to Mari??Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
Sorry, but my country is 55% haplogroup I2 (proto-European).
55% of citizens of my country, their paternal ancestors are first settlers in Europe :) Along with I1.
So i am not similar to Mari. We have less then 25% of the R in average. So we are not similar to Mari's. (Not genetically, also not lingusitically)
While Finnish language is very close to Turkic. By origin.
Better for you to have indo-european influence, then Turkic!
But you are more proud with your similarity with the Turks.
I was not talking about y-dna. Some recent studies put I1 and I2 in Finland to about 45%, but my point was that I1 in Finns is likely about 1500-2000 years old. The population which brought it was likely Germanic speaking and likewise I would presume it was autosomally more like modern let's say Scandinavians than modern Finns. As the genetic distance between Finns and Germanics is huge, to me it looks likely that this population left it's mark mostly on the y-side rather than the autosomal side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Yes you are autosomally more similar to Mari than you are to me:
http://i65.tinypic.com/2lk49ch.jpg
You made me on the bottom of the scale, even you don't know my haplogroup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
About autosomal, we have nothing common with Mari's.
Sorry but i am acutally destroying you in facts:
https://i.imgur.com/2ufwMeL.png
Autosomal studies.
We have literally nothing autosomal with Saami's. Deal with it.
Dude I am quickly loosing my patience with you. You are fucking dumb as a brick. Just go freaking shoot yourself you fucking moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Your bullshits have nothing to do with science. You just represent some bullshits without proofs. what autosomal dna'???Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
THAT IS A AUTOSOMAL DNA WHICH I POSTED TO YOU.
You posted some ancient eurogenes plitplot which was done with faulty and outdated methods with delibarate twisting of data. I have no time to have discussions with some fucking illiterate nimcamboob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Not ancient. It is a modern autosomal DNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
When you draw for yourself in Finnland photo.
How can me, from Balkan be similar to Maris? Or Saamis?
Are you really crazy or what??
Mostly of my ancestors are of native European origin. They never been in contact with Maris or Saamis.
You are very uneducated man.
Shoot yourself you freaking idiot. I never even said that you are similar to Saamis. You freak just made that up in your freaking worm-infested brain. I said that you are more similar to Maris than you are to me. I NEVER SAID THAT YOU ARE EXTREMELY CLOSE GENETICALLY TO MARISQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
JUST THAT YOU ARE MORE SIMILAR TO THEM THAN YOU ARE TO ME
READ THESE SENTENCES ABOUT 100 TIMES AND MAYBE YOU WILL FINALLY GET IT
Idiot. Why you are even explaining me that bullshit??Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
Where did i even say that i am similar to you?
No reliable source lists it as NO. It belongs to a dead clade, since NO was already formed back in then. Ust Ishim men and other Siberians back in then were forefathers of NO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harkonnen
It is extremely pathetic that you rely on a single skull which is not what you claim it is, being unable to debunk the fact that clades ancestral to Finnic N1c1 live in Siberia, as well as Mesolithic ancient DNA samples from the north which firmly contradict everything you said so far.
You fucking retard there are at least 2 legit studies which list it as NO, and I've posted you the links at least dozen times already.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
Now fuckoff moron.
Also the ancestral clades of Siberian N1c1 are found in European Russia.